Micro 242: Les Miserables Mafia (Game Over)

[Malakittens]

You guys

really

need to stop asking me about my role. I never once agreeded fully to the mass claim. I simply said 'semi-okay' thinking at some how Shos was like an x-shot cop with an inno on me.

[Grimgroove]

VOTE: mastin

As long as shos survives the night, I foresee few problems.

[Grimgroove]

^^ L-1 again

[shos]

VOTE: mastin

As long as shos survives the night, I foresee few problems.

Inb4shosdeadghostlinblocked

Scum are in real troible imo. Even if i die, thats pretty good, no pr touched. And if a pr touched its pretty good, conftown still alive. We just have too many townies to lose

[shos]

What if scum RB targetted Kill target and scum redirector redirected kill target to himself?!

Lol.
Was wondering about scums power balance. Redirector is very strong, but can it balance loads of town powers with just a RB? This game was so reviewed for balance...it HAS to help us with setup specs

[penguin_alien]

How strange, this feeling that my game's begun at last.
How strange, can people really read so fast?

What's the matter with you, my dear?
Have you found too much scum in-thread?
So many folks unclear,
So many folks not dead...

With seven alive, it takes four to lynch!

Vote Count 2.04

Lord Mhork (L-3): mastin2
Malakittens (L-4):
mastin2 (L-1): Lord Mhork, shos, Grimgroove
bv310 (L-3): Ghostlin
Ghostlin (L-4):
shos (L-4):
Grimgroove (L-4):

Not voting: bv310, Malakittens

V/LA:

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-11-04 00:21:24)

[bv310]

Claiming Enjolras, Town 1-shot Neighbourizer. Recruited Mhork towards the end of last night.

[shos]

why towards the end, and, did you manage to talk at all? or is it daytalk as well?

[bv310]

Towards the end because I was busy all day Saturday, and no daytalk. By the time we got our QT, the day had already been opened.

[shos]

so basically you got an empty QT for tonight. ok.

any insights? you promised a catchup post.

[mastin2]

I am actually Eponine, the town mailman. Each night I'm allowed to write a note each night of no more than 50 words which the mod will send to a player of my choice. As I was afraid that I would get killed dead, and since elle was my strongest town read, I sent her my reads on all living players in case I died. Unfortunately she died, so that was a waste. I actually wrote it in a rhyming scheme and everything.

Yeeeeeah, this is scum.

Also mastin, Marius makes absolutely 0 sense as a Jailkeeper.

Take it up with the mod, then. That's my role. I know it's my role. Arguing it doesn't fit doesn't matter, because it's my damn role. It's what I have. Period. Nothing you can say nor do will change the fact that I am Marius, Town Jailkeeper. There's basically zero flavor explanation in the role PM for it, either. (A vaguely flavor-related quote that I'm guessing serves as the justification, a description of who Marius is which I think was also served to further the justification, and then the basic town alignment description. That's it. Then a description of my powers. Voice, vote, and a description of the jailkeeper power. With the official town wincon at the end. Seriously. That's a concise summary of the entirety of my PM. No elaborate descriptions. Nothing. Just that.) But it's my role, all the same.

I don't know the flavor behind the role. I don't know anything about it. So I can't even guess why the mod made that decision. Doesn't matter. It's my role. Period. Hell. Even if you think that I was scum, I'd still have it as my fakeclaim, no? And if the mod didn't design fakeclaims to work as well as realclaims, then the game would be broken. So your point holds no water.

[mastin2]

Also, you role is very similar to elleheathen's role. It basically boils down to delivering something. Whether it's a letter, a fruit or a drink, I don't see how that makes much difference. I don't understand the added value of a letter, what's to stop you from writing down those reads before the night ends, in the topic?

It's probably a fakeclaim. It doesn't make sense with the setup, as it IS redundant. It serves the same exact function as the fruit vendor, only being more powerful. Trackers and followers/reporters serve different functions, with one seeing the visiting target and the other seeing the type of action. Bodyguards and Jailkeepers serve different functions, with one self-sacrificing and the other hindering. Fruit vendor and mailman? Absolutely redundant.

That said...if your theory of there being two scum left (albeit two different types of scum) is correct, it's not impossible (albeit highly improbable) for it to be a scum power. Hell, that's a scum-oriented power; just look at mykonian's title for a demonstration of why.

It does explain why you townread BV310 now though, also if you're scum. You had no choice because BV310 would bring up the neighborizing argument himself in case he would get a wagon on him (if he'd get active in this game at least).

Precisely.

[mastin2]

mastin link me to the place where your claim got you mislynched like that

I said I didn't want to talk about it, and I mean it. I have no reason to lie about a story like that. Much a writer as I am, I'm not going to BS a story about a game which is easily confirmable by searching through my game history.

[Grimgroove]

UNVOTE:

Eh.
Need to go over things once more. mastin's got a point with this redundancy thing.

[mastin2]

Mailman is a weaker verison of a neighborizer

Basically, this. Except also applying to the fruit vendor, only moreso.

A fruit vendor serves a purpose of saying "I visited you!", and in this variant, is apparently used during the day. It's practically a Friendly Neighbor, in that its usage is to make you look town.

A neighborizer serves the purpose of talking to another player.

A mailman serves a purpose of saying, "Look at me, I'm town!" While also delivering a message (one-way talking) to a player.

It's redundant to both.

Thus, it's either fake, or scum real, but not town.

[mastin2]

Lord Mhork is obvtown. His behavior towards bv310 is perfectly explained, and his claim checks out. I don’t think that at this point in time, he could make up a poem like that in such short notice, added to the fact that the content of that poem needed to be consistent with his reads at the end of Day 1. As far as I can see, this is the case. It would take a HUGE effort for Mhork to come up with a poem like that at this point in time. Only sidenote: Lettersending could be a scum-ability. In theory. But mhork’s behavior in the topic is extremely town. Combined with the block on me that would make Mhork a Roleblocking Lettersending Goon. Sounds like too much. Mhork is town.

Except his behavior towards bv is alignment-null. IF he's town (BIG IF!), then he's going to defend bv. If he's scum, then he's forced to do the same or get called out as being scum by bv.

Making a poem is totally alignment-null.
If you've got any skill as a writer,
Just throw up some bull.

If memory serves me, Mhork actually

does

have some skill as a writer. And if you've got the skills to be a writer, and have been exposed to poetry, you can put them together and easily, EASILY fake a poem. And of course he can fake consistency in his reads. Scum are always self-conscious of who they're townreading and scumreading, AND scum tend not to shift their reads between days unless necessary. Combined together, he wouldn't even need to iso himself to get things consistent; he'd basically already know it.

But his push on D2 on Mhork is even more farfetched than his towncase on Maemuki, and his claim of a JK sounds off, for many reasons.

As I said. I'm that damn good. I read Maemuki like a book, and even demonstrated exactly why. I'm not lying about my claim at all. And my case against Mhork makes damn-good sense. It made sense on D1 (HENCE WHY I WAS PUSHING HIM), and it makes sense even more so now.

[mastin2]

By the way, the same can be said about the jailkeeper and bodyguard.

Again, different roles, different functions. Trackers see WHO a person targets. Followers see WHAT they did. Followers can actually be much stronger than trackers, with their power vastly underestimated. (For instance, a tracker tracking a player to a corpse has a good idea of what happened, but not absolute confirmation. A follower getting a kill result......)

Bodyguard sacrifices itself in order to protect a target. Jailkeeper serves to hinder any action the target takes as a cost of the protection. They work surprisingly well together, having no built-in redundancies, no self-feeding loops, nothing like that. They work and they work well.

Day-Fruit-Vendor is effectively a Friendly Neighbor, confirming their alignment to a player.
Neighborizer allows for talk between two players. No redundancy here.

Mailmen is basically used to try and confirm the alignment of the player sending the message, while also allowing for talk, albeit one-sided.
DOUBLE redundancy.

One of these things is not like the others.

[shos]

I've come to this conclusion in shower earlier too. if he could write such a poem at night, then he could do the same anytime. preparing a good fakeclaim like that is art, I know, I've done that too ( ), but this game really has too many townguys, so on a which-townie-is-scum list, I'm guessing that I'm changing.

VOTE: Lord Mhor

[shos]

How strange, this feeling that my game's begun at last.
How strange, can people really read so fast?

What's the matter with you, my dear?
Have you found too much scum in-thread?
So many folks unclear,
So many folks not dead...

With seven alive, it takes four to lynch!

Vote Count 2.04

Lord Mhork (L-3): mastin2
Malakittens (L-4):
mastin2 (L-2): Lord Mhork, shos, Grimgroove
bv310 (L-3): Ghostlin
Ghostlin (L-4):
shos (L-4):
Grimgroove (L-3):

Not voting: bv310, Malakittens

V/LA:

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-11-04 00:21:24)

Lord Mhork (L-2): mastin2, shos
Malakittens (L-4):
mastin2 (L-3): Lord Mhork
bv310 (L-3): Ghostlin
Ghostlin (L-4):
shos (L-4):
Grimgroove (L-4):

[shos]

How strange, this feeling that my game's begun at last.
How strange, can people really read so fast?

What's the matter with you, my dear?
Have you found too much scum in-thread?
So many folks unclear,
So many folks not dead...

With seven alive, it takes four to lynch!

Vote Count 2.04

Lord Mhork (L-3): mastin2
Malakittens (L-4):
mastin2 (L-2): Lord Mhork, shos, Grimgroove
bv310 (L-3): Ghostlin
Ghostlin (L-4):
shos (L-4):

Grimgroove (L-3):

Not voting: bv310, Malakittens

V/LA:

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-11-04 00:21:24)

EH WAIT A MOMENT

@MOD: is grimgroove at L-3 with 0 votes??

Crud, sorry, I forgot to update the numbers there. Fixing...

[bv310]

Making a poem is totally alignment-null.
If you've got any skill as a writer,
Just throw up some bull.

If memory serves me, Mhork actually

does

have some skill as a writer. And if you've got the skills to be a writer, and have been exposed to poetry, you can put them together and easily, EASILY fake a poem. And of course he can fake consistency in his reads. Scum are always self-conscious of who they're townreading and scumreading, AND scum tend not to shift their reads between days unless necessary. Combined together, he wouldn't even need to iso himself to get things consistent; he'd basically already know it.

You ever see that scene in The Princess Bride when Vizzini tries to explain how he chooses which wine glass to take? This post reminds me of that.


Also the site ate my last big catchup post, and then I started rethinking some stuff when I rewrote it. New one's going to be smaller and more concise.

[Malakittens]

Guys. If Mhork was scum wouldn't have Bv's neighboriZer fail?

[bv310]

How strange, this feeling that my game's begun at last.
How strange, can people really read so fast?

What's the matter with you, my dear?
Have you found too much scum in-thread?
So many folks unclear,
So many folks not dead...

With seven alive, it takes four to lynch!

Vote Count 2.04

Lord Mhork (L-3): mastin2
Malakittens (L-4):
mastin2 (L-2): Lord Mhork, shos, Grimgroove
bv310 (L-3): Ghostlin
Ghostlin (L-4):
shos (L-4):

Grimgroove (L-3):

Not voting: bv310, Malakittens

V/LA:

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-11-04 00:21:24)

EH WAIT A MOMENT

@MOD: is grimgroove at L-3 with 0 votes??

Related to this, is Mastin at L-2 with 3 votes on him?

No, still my bad. It should be fixed, and I'll put up a new vote count to rectify the ambiguity once I get something to eat...

P-EDIT: Mala, there's nothing in my role PM that says it would fail. Neighbour =/= Mason in this case.

[shos]

neighbourizer can beighbourize scum.

[penguin_alien]

-In my game, numbers change like the line of the shore, like the wind in the trees.
And the count seems to waver and blur until I am confused and my head's on my knees.
Oh, players, you're the ones who have noticed it.
Thanks to you, my math's right all around, and counts do not flit.
And I soar through a post that is no longer wrong!
--Yes, we know we helped you, now stop singing this song!

With seven alive, it takes four to lynch!

Vote Count 2.05

Lord Mhork (L-2): mastin2, shos
Malakittens (L-4):
mastin2 (L-3): Lord Mhork
bv310 (L-3): Ghostlin
Ghostlin (L-4):
shos (L-4):
Grimgroove (L-4):

Not voting: bv310, Malakittens, Grimgroove

V/LA:

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-11-04 00:21:24)