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Post Post #375 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:46 am

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In post 366, ArcAngel9 wrote:In last game, Ray managed to find honest and newbie mistakes in tweeky posts though he/she was most suspected player over all and was about to get lynched. I am mising that sense of style right now
I have one question.

What new player is being attacked that is making honest newbie mistakes for me to defend from the attacks?

There's nobody that I'm reading town that's being attacked particularly hard this game. I mean, before wisdom came into this game, I was basically the largest force in the game in terms of attacking. Practically nobody did anything. Then wisdom came and he's doing things. He practically deserves a badge of honor for his activity when compared to 90% of the playerlist. But his attacks were primarily on me, and then something or other on singer, and a bunch of pressure votes.

Besides, since when was white-knighting a significant town tell.

Now that this is out of the way, on to the more interesting things.

Vote: Innocent Villager


He's admitted to actively trying to not be a contributing member of the town. I haven't liked any of his posting this game so far, and the act he's saying he intends to active lurk doesn't make him look better.

Contribute meaningful thoughts and reads or die.
don't you feel silly now?
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Post Post #376 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:08 am

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On Regals: her contributions to this game are basically a bunch of snipe-y one liners about posts without actually giving us a single clue as to what her reads are on anybody except for really blatantly obviously easy to make stances like "wisdom town."
don't you feel silly now?
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Post Post #377 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:05 am

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I dunno about IV - he's being utterly useless if he's town, but I think if he were scum he'd be trying harder to defend himself, especially considering the heat that was on him towards the end of the last day. Looks more like a serious case of not having any time. That said I think the 'what if he's a PR?' reasoning for not lynching him as anti-town has somewhat less weight now.

I've talked myself out of all my potential scum reads :?

- IV's input been unashamedly non-existant. But I've no more reason to believe he's busy-scum than busy-town.
- Evil Regals hasn't been making much more input than IV when you look closely, and her biggest input was seriously going after Guyett above everyone else towards the end of yesterday (which she hasn't commented on) but Guyett hardly looked squeaky clean and maybe she's been busy too.
- ArcAngel seems to have reacted to some things even more strongly than usual, and I'm still suspicious of the exaggerated defence of Rach, but she's also made a couple of pressure votes that didn't take things too close to lynch and could have got some good information in the right circumstances.
- I'm still waiting to see a bit more from Rach today, now she's had a bit of time to escape the 'looks scum day 1' meta thing. I don't like how much she herself has been leaning on meta for her reads; a little is OK, but if someone with my level of social awareness can consistently moderate their behaviour to avoid an observable scum/town meta difference then it shouldn't be too hard for most others. I also don't like the terrible stats thing, but I'd be lynching people all over the place if that was enough.
- I'm tentatively townreading Wisdom and Ray, but I'm not convinced I'd be able to tell if either were scum. They've been pro-active and logical, which is helpful to town, but if either of them's scum it'd look the same as far as I can see and be just as helpful to their own side.

Anyone wanting to pick holes in my reasons for picking up or discarding scum reads would be most welcome. There's got to be something I'm not seeing right.
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Post Post #378 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:43 am

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In post 374, Wisdom wrote:Namely
In post 176, Wisdom wrote:Evil Regals - She's closer to null than scum, but there are some minor things I don't like, such as her sheeping the "Ray is so town" belief after at least two other people expressed it, and her Guyett vote. I want to see more content from her.
Which is why I'm asking for her reads.
will you lynch regals today with me? Becuz i feel she is scum.
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Post Post #379 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:44 am

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A feeling is not enough
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Post Post #380 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:00 am

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most of the time my feels are accurate... believe me!!!!
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Post Post #381 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:25 am

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If we lynch on the basis of a feeling that leaves us wide open to following you blindly when you're scum. I'll not lynch on a feeling - reasons or nothing.
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Post Post #382 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:50 am

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In post 381, ObsessedWithCats wrote:If we lynch on the basis of a feeling that leaves us wide open to following you blindly when you're scum. I'll not lynch on a feeling - reasons or nothing.
why are you thinking negatively, its not all like all lynches are based on true confirmations. its always assumption and feeling based on one's behaviour....
I am putting my thoughts over evil, becuz i have noticed scummy behavior and i feel that scummy. so don't say that feel is not enough to account someone as scummy when there is a valid reason.

Cats, i dont have a good feeling about you either but at least you're not ignoring game but regals have been doing...running away from the most discussions on her which is not her usual town behaviour.. Check her behaviour before the reboot. its a best example. And I just got from a completed game with her..where she was scum and has lurked very similary. its all are the good reasons for me to feel that she is scum.
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Post Post #383 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:01 am

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Explain what this scummy behavior you noticed is?
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Post Post #384 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:40 am

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Is there any behaviour specific to this game from Evil Regals that looks scummy ArcAngel? 'Cause I agree with you that there's been a definite down-shift in constructive input since the reroll from ER, but as I've said meta is something that can be consciously controlled, and it can be affected by IRL circumstances too, so it's not enough for a vote from me at this point. The determination to lynch Guyett despite noting at least two others with suspect behaviour is a little odd though.
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Post Post #385 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:43 am

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In post 383, Wisdom wrote:Explain what this scummy behavior you noticed is?
nvm this, i hadn't read your second paragraph
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Post Post #386 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:45 am

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In post 42, Evil Regals wrote:Well with AA9's meta her responses to the wagon is really, really town :P
What do you think about this, Arc?
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Post Post #387 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:15 am

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ha ha.. Nice try Wisdom.
Regals knows me too well.. and she very well know that i have a habit of raging up on people when they push for my lynch, If they are mafia, i wont stop for anything until they get lynched. And her early town read on me doesn't tell me she is town.

Is there anything Regals did that looked town.. becuz i couldn't find one.
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Post Post #388 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:15 am

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ha ha.. Nice try Wisdom.
Regals knows me too well.. and she very well know that i have a habit of raging up on people when they push for my lynch, If they are mafia, i wont stop for anything until they get lynched. And her early town read on me doesn't tell me she is town.

Is there anything Regals did that looked town.. becuz i couldn't find one.
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Post Post #389 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:17 am

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I didn't actually mean it as a towntell. I am asking you if you think she would say that as town or not, given your experience with her.
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Post Post #390 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:25 am

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She would also do that as town but it won't be something that just come out based on simple aruguments... example, check out her reactions from last game.. she didn't read me town easily.... I had to explain so much about slot (becuz i got replaced into someone else spot) and had to change her opinion but her town read on me in this game seems very opportunist, i didn't find honesty in it.
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Post Post #391 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:26 am

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Do you think she could be buddying you?
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Post Post #392 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:10 pm

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not really, she is not pampering me..isn't she?
Her town read on me seems very convenient and came out very easy way.. it doesn't mean that she was trying to buddy me.
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Post Post #393 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:02 pm

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In post 367, ArcAngel9 wrote:Ray can be discussed again...
i think regals is a better choice..

VOTE: Regals
In post 372, ArcAngel9 wrote:Wisdom, don't by pass my post...
Whats your opinion on Regals?
In post 378, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 374, Wisdom wrote:Namely
In post 176, Wisdom wrote:Evil Regals - She's closer to null than scum, but there are some minor things I don't like, such as her sheeping the "Ray is so town" belief after at least two other people expressed it, and her Guyett vote. I want to see more content from her.
Which is why I'm asking for her reads.
will you lynch regals today with me? Becuz i feel she is scum.
In post 387, ArcAngel9 wrote:ha ha.. Nice try Wisdom.
Regals knows me too well.. and she very well know that i have a habit of raging up on people when they push for my lynch, If they are mafia, i wont stop for anything until they get lynched. And her early town read on me doesn't tell me she is town.

Is there anything Regals did that looked town.. becuz i couldn't find one.
These have to be one of the biggest flops of all time from you. Personally I think you are just paranoid after that scum game of mine that just recently ended.

In this newbie game part 1; I did have to reaction test you because I felt you were laying low to your meta that I have on you. This game however was a different ball park. So it's pretty obvious that I'm an alt, but still not exposing my main. My main has played with you a lot actually and you're basically an open book to me. Your reaction to your posts threw out a loud town signal because town-you in the past has REACTED the same exact way.

I do however disagree with your self-meta there. You didn't push hard for my lynch in that micro. You basically are doing what you are doing there, here.
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Post Post #394 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:39 pm

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VOTE: Evil Regals

Stop ignoring me
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Post Post #395 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:39 pm

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Evil Regals - 2 - ArcAngel9, Wisdom
innocentvillager - 1 - RayFrost

Not Voting: ObsessedWithCats, Evil Regals, RachMarie, innocentvillager

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2013-11-05 13:10:55)
....what?



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Post Post #396 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:22 pm

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@mod
Prod/replace Rach?
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Post Post #397 (ISO) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:44 am

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RachMarie has been prodded.
....what?



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Post Post #398 (ISO) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:54 pm

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I am here V/LA has ended
BRAND NEW Get to know me http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=69243
Like the phoenix I am rising from the ashes
chilledtea: We played bad on day 2 when we lynched rach.

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Post Post #399 (ISO) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:34 pm

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@ Mod: is it too early to prod Innocent Villager?


I can't get realistic reads if half the players are each trying their own variation on prod-dodging, active-lurking or selective-question-answering - it makes you all look scummy :roll:
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