Micro 242: Les Miserables Mafia (Game Over)

[Lord Mhork]

Yeah I don't have time to type right now, but I will later

[Grimgroove]

I've looked at MHork's interactions with funkytown, and I'm suddenly very inclined to vote him.

Take a look yourself.

Oh wow

VOTE: funkybike1

Pointing out that you're backpedaling doesn't make it any less sketch. You put me at L-1 on page one; you don't just drop it when someone points out what you did. In addition the fact you you seem to not have noticed the logical disconnect between your not liking putting someone at L-2 in the first page and putting me there with 5 posts of that. You don't even provide real rationale for jumping on me, implying that you're just bullshitting opinions.

Odds are you're probably town because very few scum are that dense, but it's definitely something worth pushing.

What exactly is your opinion of early game wagons?

That sentence always rang weird to me, and a scum-bus could fit with this. Provide a real argument as to funky-scum,b ut for some reason take the heat off and leave the door open to get off that wagon.

What's Morton's fork?

VOTE: shos

Don't worry, funky. I haven't forgotten you.

He votes shos for the townread shos gave to funky. In a way this can still be considered a bus to funky, but Mhork chooses another wagon. This is illogical: Mhork claims to think funky is scum. shos thought funky was town at that point. Mhork moves his vote away from funky and moves it to shos. It seems to fit, but it really is rather awkward if you think about it.

Funky,

why are you scum?

if you aren't scum, who is?

It feels like a pretty blanket statement with little engagement, and very few additional arguments. It feels as if MHork doesn't need a lot of arguments to call funky scum, apart from what he said right after RVS.
I think a typical thing for scum bussing scum, is that they call eachother scum but don't really bother with formulating arguments. Psychologically this is understandable, since for scum it oes without saying their buddy is scum.

Oh yay Grim is prolly town woohoo!

Scum is somewhere in Mae/Krazy/Shos. GG.

He forgot funkytown here. Despite having called him obvscum plenty of times before.

Then what are your thoughts thus far? Who do you think is scum? I mean other than obv scum funky.

Still no additional arguments. and he keeps finding reasons not to vote said obvscum.

Oh Ghostlin is adorable. He's one of those players.

1) I suppose I'll buy that for now. A body guard is a nice, low powered role especially for a Role Madness setup.

UNVOTE: Ghostlin

2) What do you make of the fact that elle and I have been voting together for awhile? You say that it's suspicious, but why exactly is it suspicious? Especially with GG too? We all have mutual town reads on one another last I checked, why wouldn't we vote together?

3) This isn't power tunneling. I've been stuck on Mae for awhile because SHE QUIT POSTING. If you read my posts, you'd see all sorts of angles I've been pursuing. There was Grimgroove. There was shos.

There's still funkybike.

And there's been Mae. How have I been tunneling? How have I been optimistic? Am I not allowed to point out suspicious activity once someone stops posting? Is that a free pass to scummy behavior?

Cosy in the middle.

Elle, bv or funky? I still find funky scum but I really don't like that bv dropped off the radar. What do you think?

Still thinks funky is obvscum, still no additional arguments, and trying to find another reason to vote someone else over funky, in this case bv. Looking for support towards elleheathen.

That was a question directed at you. >.>

Elle, (should we lynch) bv or funky?

The question repeats itself. Despite having had an obscum read on funky for the entire day, he wants to consider the option of a lurker-lynch.

Your death tunneling thing is wrong Ghostlin.

This is a post I made where I explained my reads on people. It's not like I am ignoring anyone. Well except bv but that's mainly because I forgot he existed. I'll admit I got a little distracted, but that was more because I was waiting for Mae before I could move on.

In addition you can note that I have attacked shos. I've attacked funky. I've attacked Mae. I've even semi attacked mastin. The only reason it looks like I'm 'tunneling' is due to the fact that my attacks on her have lasted longer. Which isn't my fault. Again, it stemmed from her not posting. You'll note that I wasn't saying much of anything while I was waiting for Mae. It's not like I've been bullying through anything. I don't even see where you're getting opportunism from.

Now that you mention it, it is odd that bv stopped posting. I admit that's my bad, but I was distracted. Being distracted when pursuing a scum read is hardly a scum tell. It's minor tunneling, but not tunneling to the sheer extent that you have made it out to be.

As for funky, I haven't really pushed him because I think he's scum. He's, like, solidly scum. What is there to be gained pushing there? I've been more interested in sorting out the null/scums.

You're gonna have to refer me back to the shos vote thing because I can't remember what that is.

Your push on me is bad, but at least it's not mastin bad. I'm not saying you're cleared as town by any stretch, but I feel better about you than I felt about Mae.


Elle hurry I can't decide

For now:
VOTE: funkybikeone

Finally the vote. But the thing in bold sounds far from natural.

I've decided. Props on the poem Mhork, but you're scum.

Also, looking at the night actions, it makes sense. Mhork killed Elleheathen and blocked me. He called us town, so he had to neutralize us in another way: during the night.

Also props to mastin. He makes no sense but it seems he was correct about all his reads. Reminiscent of an oracle, talking jibberish but truthful and full of wisdom at the core.

Sorry if I'm running ahead of things, but I really feel I've had an epiphany here.

VOTE: Lord Mhork

[shos]

When we win ima nominate mhorks poem to OMG category

[Lord Mhork]

You have got to be fucking kidding me. There is no fucking way you are all so dense.

I have class. I'll be here in two and a half hours.

I cannot fucking believe that this is happening.

[Ghostlin]

You have got to be fucking kidding me. There is no fucking way you are all so dense.

I have class. I'll be here in two and a half hours.

I cannot fucking believe that this is happening.

I'm not sure if this is town vomiting shit rage, or scum caught for the wrong reasons.

[Grimgroove]

Why do you call them "wrong reasons"?

[Grimgroove]

I have class.

I got style.

[Lord Mhork]

You have got to be fucking kidding me. There is no fucking way you are all so dense.

I have class. I'll be here in two and a half hours.

I cannot fucking believe that this is happening.

I'm not sure if this is town vomiting shit rage, or scum caught for the wrong reasons.

No. I'm cranky town who woke up and suddenly people stopped wanting to win. The fact of the matter is that mastin is, has been, and will continue to be scum. That's just the way this is. He's done nothing but tunnel me and push a shit case on me. Believe me, my 'scum caught for the wrong reasons' explosions are much worse.

Escuchame:

I am actually Eponine, the town mailman. Each night I'm allowed to write a note each night of no more than 50 words which the mod will send to a player of my choice. As I was afraid that I would get killed dead, and since elle was my strongest town read, I sent her my reads on all living players in case I died. Unfortunately she died, so that was a waste. I actually wrote it in a rhyming scheme and everything.

Yeeeeeah, this is scum.

Step 1: 'Yeah... I have no answer for this so I'm going to continue pushing that you're scum for no reason.'

Also mastin, Marius makes absolutely 0 sense as a Jailkeeper.

Take it up with the mod, then. That's my role. I know it's my role. Arguing it doesn't fit doesn't matter, because it's my damn role. It's what I have. Period. Nothing you can say nor do will change the fact that I am Marius, Town Jailkeeper. There's basically zero flavor explanation in the role PM for it, either. (A vaguely flavor-related quote that I'm guessing serves as the justification, a description of who Marius is which I think was also served to further the justification, and then the basic town alignment description. That's it. Then a description of my powers. Voice, vote, and a description of the jailkeeper power. With the official town wincon at the end. Seriously. That's a concise summary of the entirety of my PM. No elaborate descriptions. Nothing. Just that.) But it's my role, all the same.

Step 2: 'Look I know what the town PM looks like so I'm gonna spell it out for you. Also self-righteous indignation! In lack of actual evidence, proof, or facts, I'm going to continue trucking with all my fallacies because that's what town does.' (Right here a bit of Appeal to Authority with Appeal to Emotions)

I don't know the flavor behind the role. I don't know anything about it. So I can't even guess why the mod made that decision. Doesn't matter. It's my role. Period. Hell. Even if you think that I was scum, I'd still have it as my fakeclaim, no? And if the mod didn't design fakeclaims to work as well as realclaims, then the game would be broken. So your point holds no water.

I also dislike how intensely he defends his role. One paragraph I can understand, but two? And that wasn't even the crux of my argument. And the fakeclaim thing almost screams scumtell to me. We have no idea whether P_A provided scum fakeclaims. And even if we assume they do based on fuzzy butchering his Bishop claim, we can assume that scum fake claims are nothing more than the flavor name of someone not known to be in the game. What's your point here? You don't have one. You're just strawmanning to get ahead and being bullshitting scum.

Although to be fair I don't doubt that you are actually a JK/RB, but that role still makes far more sense in scum hands than town, especially with power stacked thusly.

Also, you role is very similar to elleheathen's role. It basically boils down to delivering something. Whether it's a letter, a fruit or a drink, I don't see how that makes much difference. I don't understand the added value of a letter, what's to stop you from writing down those reads before the night ends, in the topic?

It's probably a fakeclaim. It doesn't make sense with the setup, as it IS redundant. It serves the same exact function as the fruit vendor, only being more powerful. Trackers and followers/reporters serve different functions, with one seeing the visiting target and the other seeing the type of action. Bodyguards and Jailkeepers serve different functions, with one self-sacrificing and the other hindering. Fruit vendor and mailman? Absolutely redundant.[/url]

So are you saying that my 'redundant role' is worse than, say, the follower/tracker combination? You discount it because 'they serve different functions,' but what does that even mean? They both have a very good shot catching scum on the first night. What about the bodyguard/JK combination? They're redundant in the fact that they both save people. It doesn't matter the method. [/i]They do the same thing[/i]. In fact Fruit Vendor and Mailman are the two least redundant roles you listed up there. One visits for the sake of visiting; the other sends a message to another player at night.

That is different

. Furthermore we know that in Role Madness games, some people get stuck with absolute shit roles that serve no purpose other than 'yay power role.' If only one person had that, that would be stupid. There are bound to be a few lying around.

That said...if your theory of there being two scum left (albeit two different types of scum) is correct, it's not impossible (albeit highly improbable) for it to be a scum power. Hell, that's a scum-oriented power; just look at mykonian's title for a demonstration of why.

This is stupid. Why would P_A gimp an already super gimped faction in this setup? Again this is fallacious reasoning. You don't care whether or not I'm scum; you just want to lynch me. Also you're doing way too much here. "He's probably lying but also he might not be because it makes sense that he's scum either way." That's not town reasoning. That scum covering all his bases so his entire case doesn't get blown out of the water if there happens to be a role cop or something.

It does explain why you townread BV310 now though, also if you're scum. You had no choice because BV310 would bring up the neighborizing argument himself in case he would get a wagon on him (if he'd get active in this game at least).

Precisely.

No that doesn't follow. If I wanted to, I could have pushed bv for being a scum neighborizor. This case is nothing at all and all this reasoning is bad and scum super capitalizing on town paranoia.

UNVOTE:

Eh.
Need to go over things once more. mastin's got a point with this redundancy thing.

No he really, really doesn't.

Mailman is a weaker verison of a neighborizer

Basically, this. Except also applying to the fruit vendor, only moreso.

A fruit vendor serves a purpose of saying "I visited you!", and in this variant, is apparently used during the day. It's practically a Friendly Neighbor, in that its usage is to make you look town.

A neighborizer serves the purpose of talking to another player.

A mailman serves a purpose of saying, "Look at me, I'm town!" While also delivering a message (one-way talking) to a player.

It's redundant to both.

Thus, it's either fake, or scum real, but not town.

Again you're just being wrong here. Mailman lets town give a message in the night phase. That is a

huge

potential. You can't just hand wave a role because

you

think it's too similar. P_A designed this game, we can argue that with her later if you really think I shouldn't be a mailman. The point still remains that I am one. And to think that it could even REMOTELY be scum read, you have to be a dipshit with no brain. Look at the sheer town power. LOOK AT IT. Look at what everyone is claiming to have. Scum has to be

that powerful

. Any townie would look at that. You are not. You're just trying to force a bad lynch.

I don't even wanna touch that poetry push. Yeah it's alignment null, but that doesn't even matter. That's the message I sent to elle. If you want, tonight I'll send a note to whomever is super mega 'OMG MHORK SCUM.' Also your push on me doesn't make good sense. It doesn't. At all. It's just a string of bad attacks and a town who now is suffering the first stages of town paranoia in thinking that a game is too easily won after lynching scum early on.

I've come to this conclusion in shower earlier too. if he could write such a poem at night, then he could do the same anytime. preparing a good fakeclaim like that is art, I know, I've done that too ( ), but this game really has too many townguys, so on a which-townie-is-scum list, I'm guessing that I'm changing.

VOTE: Lord Mhor

Shos, you should feel sincerely bad for this vote. I cannot fucking believe that you all are following mastin's hand like that. The only thing he has done has distract attention and strawman. A classic scum tactic. A classic

any deception

tactic. He's making you see only what he wants you to see at the moment.

I'll tackly GG's absolutely awful post after I get back in ~hour thirty, but it's about as bad as mastin's push on me and reeks of badness. I'll also explain optimal PR tactics for maximum clearage too. Just don't be idiots and lynch me while I'm gone.

[shos]

Dude, at the moment, I really can't see us losing. even if we lynch all three of you one by one and yu are all town we have a chance, and that's like 0% happening. you are all townreads of mine. at the moment it is a question of not who is scum, rather, who is the least likely to be scum, adnd you're not it..

[Malakittens]

._.

Dude I feel lost. I thought I was right with GG /:

[Lord Mhork]

I've looked at MHork's interactions with funkytown, and I'm suddenly very inclined to vote him.

Take a look yourself.

Oh wow

VOTE: funkybike1

Pointing out that you're backpedaling doesn't make it any less sketch. You put me at L-1 on page one; you don't just drop it when someone points out what you did. In addition the fact you you seem to not have noticed the logical disconnect between your not liking putting someone at L-2 in the first page and putting me there with 5 posts of that. You don't even provide real rationale for jumping on me, implying that you're just bullshitting opinions.

Odds are you're probably town because very few scum are that dense, but it's definitely something worth pushing.

What exactly is your opinion of early game wagons?

That sentence always rang weird to me, and a scum-bus could fit with this. Provide a real argument as to funky-scum,b ut for some reason take the heat off and leave the door open to get off that wagon.

That comment is actually far more common on me than most. It has to do with the fact that I have a shit time reading people and thus usually don't believe my own reads. It's not like I necessarily have no reads, but that I can always see where I could be wrong. For instance I can totally see the argument for mastin town and mastin scum, just like I can see arguments for every single player. And the fact of the matter was that his post was so obviously scummy that I was hesitant to think that I could actually have caught scum being scummy. That, like, never happens for me. I usually blatantly misread people. Saying 'you're probably town' was the 'too scummy to be scum' fallacy. Make sense?

What's Morton's fork?

VOTE: shos

Don't worry, funky. I haven't forgotten you.

He votes shos for the townread shos gave to funky. In a way this can still be considered a bus to funky, but Mhork chooses another wagon. This is illogical: Mhork claims to think funky is scum. shos thought funky was town at that point. Mhork moves his vote away from funky and moves it to shos. It seems to fit, but it really is rather awkward if you think about it.

What do you mean 'awkward if you think about it.' Anyway by this point, I think I mentioned, I was fairly sure that funky was scum, as indicated by 'I haven't forgotten you.' I was hunting for potential scum buddies here. It's not awkward in the least. I wasn't about to waste the rest of the day railing on obvscumness. I was trying to make the most of this. I found scum, thus I assumed odds were high that I was going to die in the night phase so I wanted to do what I could.

Funky,

why are you scum?

if you aren't scum, who is?

It feels like a pretty blanket statement with little engagement, and very few additional arguments. It feels as if MHork doesn't need a lot of arguments to call funky scum, apart from what he said right after RVS.
I think a typical thing for scum bussing scum, is that they call eachother scum but don't really bother with formulating arguments. Psychologically this is understandable, since for scum it oes without saying their buddy is scum.

The scratched out was snark, in case that wasn't obvious. I didn't feel like I needed a lot of arguments because

I had already caught him

. That happened already. Why would I continue trying to make arguments? The only thing I could hope for would be that he says something stupid to out his buddy. And your statement there is

flawed

. I already had formulated an argument why funky was scum. That was a thing. It happened. Therefore right here you are ignoring what happened to fit a sudden epiphany you want to have.

I found reasons he was scum. I pushed him. I was satisfied that I had proven, at least to myself, that he was scum. I moved on. Where is the issue here?

Oh yay Grim is prolly town woohoo!

Scum is somewhere in Mae/Krazy/Shos. GG.

He forgot funkytown here. Despite having called him obvscum plenty of times before.

No... Other scum is in Mae/Krazy/Shos. That's really obvious if you bother to read things in context.

Then what are your thoughts thus far? Who do you think is scum? I mean other than obv scum funky.

Still no additional arguments. and he keeps finding reasons not to vote said obvscum.

Why vote for obvscum when you can find obvscum's partner? If we had speed lynched funky, how would that have helped town more than what I was doing here?

Oh Ghostlin is adorable. He's one of those players.

1) I suppose I'll buy that for now. A body guard is a nice, low powered role especially for a Role Madness setup.

UNVOTE: Ghostlin

2) What do you make of the fact that elle and I have been voting together for awhile? You say that it's suspicious, but why exactly is it suspicious? Especially with GG too? We all have mutual town reads on one another last I checked, why wouldn't we vote together?

3) This isn't power tunneling. I've been stuck on Mae for awhile because SHE QUIT POSTING. If you read my posts, you'd see all sorts of angles I've been pursuing. There was Grimgroove. There was shos.

There's still funkybike.

And there's been Mae. How have I been tunneling? How have I been optimistic? Am I not allowed to point out suspicious activity once someone stops posting? Is that a free pass to scummy behavior?

Cosy in the middle.

What the hell does that even mean?

Elle, bv or funky? I still find funky scum but I really don't like that bv dropped off the radar. What do you think?

Still thinks funky is obvscum, still no additional arguments, and trying to find another reason to vote someone else over funky, in this case bv. Looking for support towards elleheathen.

Yeah because she was bleeding town and I wanted to know what she thought. If bv turned out to be scum, we'd have caught both. Quit being stupid and dense and try looking at it from my perspective. Where is the

scum motivation

in doing this?

That was a question directed at you. >.>

Elle, (should we lynch) bv or funky?

The question repeats itself. Despite having had an obscum read on funky for the entire day, he wants to consider the option of a lurker-lynch.

Yeah I asked the question again because she thought that I thought I was calling her scum. Same answer as before. I was hunting for funky's PARTNER. I was asking if she thought bv could be FUNKY'S PARTNER and thus worth a lynch or whether we should just have lynched funky dead.

Bonus point: if we had lynched funky's partner yesterday, if we had a roleblocker/jailkeeper, we could have stopped the kill. There are benefits to keeping obvscum alive, GG. It can actually be a very strong tactic. Look at this at more than a surface level and try to understand.

Your death tunneling thing is wrong Ghostlin.

This is a post I made where I explained my reads on people. It's not like I am ignoring anyone. Well except bv but that's mainly because I forgot he existed. I'll admit I got a little distracted, but that was more because I was waiting for Mae before I could move on.

In addition you can note that I have attacked shos. I've attacked funky. I've attacked Mae. I've even semi attacked mastin. The only reason it looks like I'm 'tunneling' is due to the fact that my attacks on her have lasted longer. Which isn't my fault. Again, it stemmed from her not posting. You'll note that I wasn't saying much of anything while I was waiting for Mae. It's not like I've been bullying through anything. I don't even see where you're getting opportunism from.

Now that you mention it, it is odd that bv stopped posting. I admit that's my bad, but I was distracted. Being distracted when pursuing a scum read is hardly a scum tell. It's minor tunneling, but not tunneling to the sheer extent that you have made it out to be.

As for funky, I haven't really pushed him because I think he's scum. He's, like, solidly scum. What is there to be gained pushing there? I've been more interested in sorting out the null/scums.

You're gonna have to refer me back to the shos vote thing because I can't remember what that is.

Your push on me is bad, but at least it's not mastin bad. I'm not saying you're cleared as town by any stretch, but I feel better about you than I felt about Mae.


Elle hurry I can't decide

For now:
VOTE: funkybikeone

Finally the vote. But the thing in bold sounds far from natural.

I'm sorry that you're a dipshit and think that doesn't sound natural, but it was. That had been and is still my thought process on funky. Are you really saying that you didn't like the way I was conducting my scumhunting yesterday and thus I'm scum? 'Cause that's what it felt like. I finally voted because the deadline happened and I hadn't found the partner. That was a thing. And yeah, I was sorting out nulls and scum reads.

That's what pro town people do.

And I learned a lot from doing that yesterday. I confirmed Ghostlin as town to me. I figured that shos had good odds being town. I basically proved that Elle was town to me. I thought I had a solid reason to think you were town. Instead of wasting the day powering through a lynch that was more or less inevitable because of how obv scum he was, I utilized the day to try and

figure shit out.

What is wrong with scenario? What bleeds scumminess about this to you? What possible scum motivation was there in my actions. Tell me that. This isn't a game of catching scum slips and finding scum that way. That's an abnormality. This is a game of catching actions that are motivated by scum. Things that scum would do to help them win. How was prolonging the day, looking for a partner for funky, and not just power lynching his scummy ass helping me win. If I had championed his lynch, I'd have likely got major town points for catching him so quickly, but instead I didn't immediately pursue him. How did that help scum me?

This will look like WIFOM on the surface and it will probably be discounted as thus, but it's something that needs to be considered. The game isn't played by random epiphanies and shit power tunneling. That's weak, illogical, irrational, and bad play. Honestly I'm surprised that mastin, who is being nominated for Professor Mafia, is acting like such a poor player. Why does that not scream at anyone else?

I've decided. Props on the poem Mhork, but you're scum.

Also, looking at the night actions, it makes sense. Mhork killed Elleheathen and blocked me. He called us town, so he had to neutralize us in another way: during the night.

This is just paranoid bullshitting and rationalization. Elle was the biggest proponent of me being town. She would have been a shit target. If I were scum, I'd have let you guys do your shit because I was part of an awesome townie block. I could have shot literally anyone else and it would have been much better for my position as scum. Hell I would have probably shot mastin to get him to stop hounding me.

But I didn't. Ask yourself: where is the scum motivation to kill my biggest town advocate and leave alive the dipshit who did nothing but call me scum for bad reasons? Can you find any way in which that improved the game for me.

Also props to mastin. He makes no sense but it seems he was correct about all his reads. Reminiscent of an oracle, talking jibberish but truthful and full of wisdom at the core.

Yeah you're a moron. Mastin has been spouting bullshit all game and I'm sure he knows it. He could very well have been correct on the rest of his reads

because scum know peoples' alignments.

There's been no wisdom at all from him this game except maaaaaaaaaaaaaybe the little bit on Mae being obviously town, though that was hardly wisdom as even Ghostlin said her play was shit.

Sorry if I'm running ahead of things, but I really feel I've had an epiphany here.

Epiphanies don't just happen and it's embarrassingly bad play that you so easily did a complete 180 based on nothing more than a skewed ISO. Honestly the only time that a total 180 is acceptable is LyLo when clearly you made a mistake in your reads. But not now. This is Day Two. The fact remains that I caught Funky. And I caught mastin. And you don't even have a real case.

Let me just spell this out for you because you apparently didn't catch it.

I thought funky was scum from basically the beginning of the game. I decided, however, that instead of powering through his lynch, it would be better for the town to hunt for his scum buddy, so that's what I did. Your 'reasoning' for me being scum is laughably bad because it hinges on your assumption that I wasn't serious about wanted to lynch funky dead or that I was bussing. Here's a dirty secret about me: I don't like bussing. I've bussed once and that was, frankly, an accident because he scumslipped so hard that I forgot I was scum and he was my buddy. Your argument is nothing more than you becoming super paranoid and feeling like the game was too easy so scum must be somewhere other than the obvious. Try using Occam's Razor: the simplest solution is that I'm still very town, and mastin still looks very bad.

You argument is pathetically bad, GG. You've been having a good game thus far, don't throw this away with shit reads that come out of nowhere.

PEDIT:
I don't care. I don't get lynched. It very rarely happens and I'm not about to let it happen here. I am town. Now I'm going to write out how Power Roles should be used tonight to optimize them. And bullshit, shos. You know that I am the LEAST likely to be scum at all here.

Mala I know how you feel, but GG gave me good feels in the beginning and I have a horrifically hard time retracting that read when mastin has been playing the way he has been.

[Grimgroove]

UNVOTE:

I want to hear Mhork's plan for the night first.
Going to reply in more detail to his reply.

[Grimgroove]

And I learned a lot from doing that yesterday. I confirmed Ghostlin as town to me. I figured that shos had good odds being town.

That's not what you wrote in your poem.

[Grimgroove]

That comment is actually far more common on me than most. It has to do with the fact that I have a shit time reading people and thus usually don't believe my own reads. It's not like I necessarily have no reads, but that I can always see where I could be wrong. For instance I can totally see the argument for mastin town and mastin scum, just like I can see arguments for every single player. And the fact of the matter was that his post was so obviously scummy that I was hesitant to think that I could actually have caught scum being scummy. That, like, never happens for me. I usually blatantly misread people. Saying 'you're probably town' was the 'too scummy to be scum' fallacy. Make sense?

Sure, those doubts are normal I guess. But what happened to those doubts during the rest of Day 1?

[Grimgroove]

Ask yourself: where is the scum motivation to kill my biggest town advocate and leave alive the dipshit who did nothing but call me scum for bad reasons?

Euh.

WIFOM?

[Lord Mhork]

Oh fuck I misread what shos does. That makes things harder. Whatever. You think that I'm scum, GG? Fine here's what we can do. We lynch mastin and if, by some miracle, he is actually town, we get rid of the only real obstructive role. Then you can follow me and see that I don't kill. If I'm scum, you'll see me kill someone and if I'm town you'll just see me deliver mail. And if I'm scum that doesn't get caught, we'll have no Night Kill to worry about.

Ghostlin can body guard you so that I can't sneaky knife you before you can present a result.

Then mala can do whatever the hell it is that her role does and shos can keep her honest. In the mean time bv and I can have drinks in the QT and laugh about the fact that scum can't make a kill as long as this plan is in effect with conf-towning me.

PEDIT:
Do you have any fucking idea how hard it is to write a 50 word poem trying to explain how you feel about your reads in mafia? Explaining my conflicted feelings about Ghostlin still having a bit of the Mae shadow over his head which gives me enough doubt to not be able to completely clear him to elle and that shos was being a moron but the townie kind while also having minor gut vibes that make me want him to get pressured upon my death is not an easy thing to write. Neither is it easy to explain the process of elimination that takes place when trying to piece together a cohesive image of the townies, the prolly townies, the prolly scummies, and the totes scums.

In short, 50 isn't easy to work with and I didn't want to confirm anyone that had that remaining doubt.

PPEDIT:
I feigned confidence and grew stronger in it. That sort of thing happens.

And fuck off with the WIFOM. I'm just pointing out that me killing elle isn't nearly as bulletproof a theory about me being scum as you said. I had a fuckload of other people I could have shot with greater success. Why the fuck would I mail her a letter if I was going to kill her? After all, according to mastin, the point of a mailman is to look town. If I sent her my letter, then she would have been essentially confirmed town on me.

[Grimgroove]

Jesus Christ this game...
I need to think about your plan.
One flaw I see: If mastin isn't scum, it means he didn't lie about who he blocked, which means that whoever blocked me isn't mastin and is scum, who'll still be there to foil the plan.

You got one thing right: I have gotten paranoid.

shos: Can you tell me what your result was on Malakittens? Was it "she went nowhere", or was it "no result"?

bv310, please please please get your head in this game.

I still stand by my ISO on Mhork's itneractions with funky. They still feel off to me, and I can't unsee what I've seen, even though Mhork's reply came fast and to the point. It's difficult not to be convinced.

Jesus, this game

[Grimgroove]

There's an even bigger flaw in your plan: you're leaving shos unprotected.

I would rather be killed myself because I'm still a possible mislynch. shos is invaluable to us because he isn't. He needs to be kept alive.

[Lord Mhork]

Or we could just not end up LyLo. Shos is just as invaluable as Ghostlin come LyLo. Not only that, but if Shos does tonight, you're just trading one conf town for another. On the flip side, if I'm a moron scum and decide to kill him, I out myself.

[Grimgroove]

If shos gets killed and I get blocked that leaves us with absolutely nothing the next day.

[Lord Mhork]

So would the opportunity to both block and kill?

[Grimgroove]

Ah, unless you send shos a poem.

Yes.

Ghostlin bodyguards shos, ensuring his survival.
You send your poem to shos, so that he can at least confirm that part of your claim. If he can confirm that part, it confirms to me you haven't been lying about having sent that letter to elleheathen, and would clear you from her death, as you wouldn't be sending a poem to someone you'd kill.
shos tracks Malakittens automatically. If she's a ninja (my biggest fear, I'm just telling myself I'm being irrational considering it) this will be of no use, but ok.
I'll try following bv310 again.

Scum might try to block you, so you can't send the letter, but will in the process allow me to clear/catch bv310.

This could work, right?

[Lord Mhork]

Exactly

[Grimgroove]

Hmm, but scum could block Ghostlin and kill shos.
Where does that leave us then?

FUCK

[Lord Mhork]

With scum having wasted a bunch of time? I don't know. Aren't you following me anyway? So I get cleared as not scum which = progress.