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Post Post #1850 (ISO) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 4:59 am

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Vote Count 2.19


With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

VoidedMafia (5): BBmolla, uʍop ǝpısdn, 1baldeagle1, Harakiri, Nero Cain
JacobSavage (3): Seanald, pieguyn, JacobSavage
Nero Cain (3): Lord Mhork, zMuffinMan, VoidedMafia
Lord Mhork (1): Zdenek
morph the cat (1): Pyrotechnics
uʍop ǝpısdn (1): ProHawk
Lost Butterfly (1): Lost Butterfly
DoctorPepper (1): Garuda

Not Voting (4): Ghostly Penguin, DoctorPepper, PeregrineV, morph the cat

Deadline for Day 2 is Friday, November 1st, at 2:00pm EST (site time).
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Post Post #1851 (ISO) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:38 am

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nero wrote:I think PV's point about you singling me out for advertising love potion and vote freezer but ignoring Sean was p good.
i don't think that was PV's point, and i wasn't singling you out. the only reason i wasn't questioning seanald is because others already were - any questioning from me would have been redundant. i did, however, think it was silly to vote seanald purely on the basis of his claimed advertising.
nero wrote:H/o may have found Tammy scum.
even if this was a good reason to suspect pyro, 1632 is 12 pages after 1328...
nero wrote:Despite that being the sole reason a wagon popped up Pro-hawk.
i'm pretty sure i was the one who started the questioning of prohawk, i think i know the reason for it.
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Post Post #1852 (ISO) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:42 am

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morph wrote:
UNVOTE: Voided


We should have done this last night.
do you no longer think he's scum?
morph wrote:Please either make a real case for Dr Pepper being scum and the best lynch today, or make a case for someone else.
btw, if there's support for a dr pepper wagon, i'd be fine with that, too
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Post Post #1853 (ISO) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:47 am

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In post 1824, Voidedmafia wrote:Do you feel like the person you neighborized is town?
For the most part. I've purposefully not said much on this topic since I want to get more info from the QT.
Activity in there has been sparse, and while disappointing, their in-thread play has kept them in my townreads.
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Post Post #1854 (ISO) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:55 am

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@Muffin- in regards to abilities that are not red, which ones would be scummy for players to advertise?
I think you have three opinions given so far that advertised selections by other players were "dumb" instead of scummy. So maybe you tell us which ones you think are scummy to adv and that would help understand what/how your thinking.
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Post Post #1855 (ISO) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:56 am

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Vote: DrPepper
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Post Post #1856 (ISO) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:12 am

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are you asking which abilities i think are inherently scummy to advertise (aka they benefit scum more than town when advertised) or which abilities i think it is inherently scummy to have
publicly claimed
to have advertised? because those are two different answers (the latter being "none necessarily").
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Post Post #1857 (ISO) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:14 am

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In post 1852, zMuffinMan wrote:
morph wrote:
UNVOTE: Voided


We should have done this last night.
do you no longer think he's scum?
Much like day 1, I have mixed feelings and a mixed read. I think the thing that weighs most heavily on me is that his play here is much deeper and more thoughtful than in Achievement Unlocked game where Voided and Morph were the scum team. Some of that can be attributed to the game itself - it's larger. Mechanics-wise Achievment Unlocked was a complex game, too, but the subject matter encouraged goofing around.

I've been pushing Cabd for us to come up with a definitive stance on Voided for a few days because I've been too waffly to do it on my own. But, I don't feel good about the wagon right now, so I'm off.
morph wrote:Please either make a real case for Dr Pepper being scum and the best lynch today, or make a case for someone else.
btw, if there's support for a dr pepper wagon, i'd be fine with that, too
I tend to view Dr Pepper's play as scummy by default so I'm hesitant. But, he's lurked pretty hardcore and his reads/votes don't feel right to me.

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Whatever we do, we have huge incentive to do it in the next 1.5-ish days because all of town will get more money if we lynch with 5 days remaining, and the advertisements will be essentially free. That's what Cabd tells me. I haven't double-checked it.
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Post Post #1858 (ISO) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:23 am

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morph wrote:Whatever we do, we have huge incentive to do it in the next 1.5-ish days
i'm fine with any of {nero, dr pepper, voided} happening, really. i'll lend support to whichever wagon is most viable.
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Post Post #1859 (ISO) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:23 am

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In post 1856, zMuffinMan wrote:are you asking which abilities i think are inherently scummy to advertise (aka they benefit scum more than town when advertised) or which abilities i think it is inherently scummy to have
publicly claimed
to have advertised? because those are two different answers (the latter being "none necessarily").

So anyone claiming to advertise anything is either dumb or not scummy?
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Post Post #1860 (ISO) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:25 am

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I too want that out and I'm very good with Nero lynch
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Post Post #1861 (ISO) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:28 am

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In post 1858, zMuffinMan wrote:
morph wrote:Whatever we do, we have huge incentive to do it in the next 1.5-ish days
i'm fine with any of {nero, dr pepper, voided} happening, really. i'll lend support to whichever wagon is most viable.
Voided at least sounds like he knows how to put his money to use if he's going to be lynched. But that's actually one of the things that makes me lean more town. Dr Pepper, who knows.
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he's town he may or may not look out for town interests on the way out. He may or may not check back in within the next 1.5 days.
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Post Post #1862 (ISO) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:32 am

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pv wrote:So anyone claiming to advertise anything is either dumb or not scummy?
... how do you still not get this? there are certain abilities that are more beneficial to scum than they are to town. yes. ok. we've established that. the question is whether or not a person who publicly claims to have advertised these abilities is scum. i think it's unwise to rule out the possibility they just weren't thinking when they advertised it (or when they intended to advertise it, in the case of baldeagle) and honestly claimed it. you apparently think, "fuck that, they claimed it, they must be scum!"
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Post Post #1863 (ISO) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:34 am

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although that reminds me, nero never elaborated on why the abilities he advertised were so blatantly protown.
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Post Post #1864 (ISO) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:35 am

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VOTE: Dr Pepper


Nacho, I still want a case.

LB, some thoughts about today's lynch would be really good about now.
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Post Post #1865 (ISO) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:36 am

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Unvote
Vote: Dr Pepper
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Post Post #1866 (ISO) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:52 am

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In post 833, DoctorPepper wrote:Why is the deadline 15 hours? Didnt this start 3 days ago?
This was scummy as fuck because it sounded incredibly fake and he disappeared immediately after. This shows that he's focused more on looking town than he is on actually helping town get a lynch; he didn't ask where he was supposed to go, he didn't even look at the wagons and help town get closer to a lynch.
In post 1717, DoctorPepper wrote:Read up to page 38, that Hermy wagon was bad for the build up but I guess it was necessary because of lol shortened deadline.
Now this is the "taking cred for a townflip" that looks incredibly shitty.
In post 1717, DoctorPepper wrote:I advertised tracker last night.
In post 854, zMuffinMan wrote:i'll advertise tracker
In post 908, zMuffinMan wrote:advertised tracker
Don't like him claiming to have advertised tracker when someone else already did.
In post 1717, DoctorPepper wrote:ProHawk - not hammering "obv town" after a) proclaiming obv town when person flipped and b) denouncing the hammer AFTER it was a deadline lynch. Your defense of her wasn't pointing out that she was obv town, rather null or not scummy based on inactivity. Huge difference there.
Upside Down - seriously almost nothing coming from this slot. Its like most of the early posts were posts for the sake of posting and looking active
Garuda - Something about the "I like this" list of Voided's posts. He just outlined all the irrelevant, non alignment proving things said by Voided at that point.
Nero - weird push on HaraKiri. Its like the main point of attack is "Sakura is scum for always sheeping Nacho"
This is the only thing I liked about this slot; the scumreads are fucking ridiculous. The problem is his reasoning are all sheeping shit/mildly hypocritical: I don't like him not liking ProHawk's denouncement of the Hermy lynch considering he did the same thing (and plenty of people pointed it out), the upside down scumread is calling upside down scum with reasoning in one of Quilford's posts (and completely ignores the other people who posted a lot early), the scumread on us is based on one post (that I think Muffin didn't like?), and Nero suspicion is also based on things Muffin was saying. It seriously, seriously sucks. There's also no conviction in any of these reads, and DoctorPepper usually has a fuckton of conviction as town.
In post 1731, DoctorPepper wrote:Town:
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And yet nothing interesting in his townreads at all, which is yet another problem. The only one where he actually explains things is the LB gambit which was revoked later down the line. It sucks.
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Post Post #1867 (ISO) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:53 am

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In post 1861, morph the cat wrote:the next 1.5 days.
I'll finish up before this deadline, then.
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Post Post #1868 (ISO) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:55 am

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In post 1862, zMuffinMan wrote:
pv wrote:So anyone claiming to advertise anything is either dumb or not scummy?
... how do you still not get this? there are certain abilities that are more beneficial to scum than they are to town. yes. ok. we've established that. the question is whether or not a person who publicly claims to have advertised these abilities is scum. i think it's unwise to rule out the possibility they just weren't thinking when they advertised it (or when they intended to advertise it, in the case of baldeagle) and honestly claimed it. you apparently think, "fuck that, they claimed it, they must be scum!"
In post 1863, zMuffinMan wrote:although that reminds me, nero never elaborated on why the abilities he advertised were so blatantly protown.
Talk to your buddy Seanald, becasue he hasn't answered this either.
In post 1465, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 1463, Seanald wrote:
In post 1461, PeregrineV wrote:with scum stacking their money on one player
you also keep saying this like you know for certain that it's happening.
you forget they play a huge risk putting their eggs in 1 basket, my team made that mistake in marketplace 2 and lost a lot of money.
You said you advertised it. Did you bid on it and win it? If so, when do you plan on removing $100 from each player? When do you think is the optimal time to use it for town?
Why it is scummy to advertise anti-abilities, and not just dumb?


You keep an anti-town ability on the list, like Austerity Measures.
Accountant and Gift Card, pro-town abilities, leave the game.
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The crap ability in question is also bidded on and won for $11.



In post 1295, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 1291, zMuffinMan wrote:why would scum publicly claim to have advertised an ability that doesn't benefit town?
Or conversely, why would town advertise an ability that doesn't benefit town?
In post 1296, zMuffinMan wrote:i dunno. i've seen some pretty stupid fucking claims this game from more than seanald, though, so i don't see your point here. e.g. baldeagle wanted to advertise governor, and voided advertising EV.

seems a null point.
Governor can be used by town to save a town-read, or scum to save a town to whiteknight, or scum to save a scum. Either way, if it's not publicly known, the governed person comes under more scrutiny.

Extra Vote gives an extra vote, useless when less than 10 players. The person having the extra vote will be immediately recognized by thier extra voite.

Austerity Measures removes $100 from every player in the game and can be done by whoever has it. There is no accountability. At all.

It still bugs the shit out of me that you don't see the difference.
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Post Post #1869 (ISO) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:11 am

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PV wrote:Talk to your buddy Seanald, becasue he hasn't answered this either.
ok, i'll get on to this.
PV wrote:Either way, if it's not publicly known, the governed person comes under more scrutiny.
correct. this is the definition of an anti-town ability. it's a wasted lynch.
PV wrote:Extra Vote gives an extra vote, useless when less than 10 players. The person having the extra vote will be immediately recognized by thier extra voite.
no. according to the ability glossary, votecounts will still display as normal, so it's an inherently scummy ability unless claimed and controlled. unless i'm misunderstanding what it means when it says displayed as normal...
PV wrote:It still bugs the shit out of me that you don't see the difference.
i understand what you mean. i just think you're wrong. seanald could be scum, but from what i've read, i think he really believes that advertising austerity measures was a good idea for town.
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Post Post #1870 (ISO) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:12 am

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Talk to your buddy Seanald, becasue he hasn't answered this either.

Yes I did wtf.
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Post Post #1871 (ISO) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:19 am

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In post 1870, Seanald wrote:Talk to your buddy Seanald, becasue he hasn't answered this either.

Yes I did wtf.
My bad, must have missed it.
In post 1465, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 1463, Seanald wrote:
In post 1461, PeregrineV wrote:with scum stacking their money on one player
you also keep saying this like you know for certain that it's happening.
you forget they play a huge risk putting their eggs in 1 basket, my team made that mistake in marketplace 2 and lost a lot of money.
You said you advertised it. Did you bid on it and win it? If so, when do you plan on removing $100 from each player? When do you think is the optimal time to use it for town?
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Post Post #1872 (ISO) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:29 am

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Post Post #1873 (ISO) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:57 am

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We're sifting through shit, and I forgot MM was the place for mechanics a-hoy. I'm usually not this late to the party. Most of you know me as the guy who's name you'll generally be fucking screaming later. I'm Ghostlin, and I will post in color. I expect PA to nicely introduce herself.

I'm not so nice. I'll have a wall soon about which of you, frankly, suck and deserve to eat rope.
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Post Post #1874 (ISO) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:02 am

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In post 1873, Ghostly Penguin wrote:
We're sifting through shit, and I forgot MM was the place for mechanics a-hoy. I'm usually not this late to the party. Most of you know me as the guy who's name you'll generally be fucking screaming later. I'm Ghostlin, and I will post in color. I expect PA to nicely introduce herself.

I'm not so nice. I'll have a wall soon about which of you, frankly, suck and deserve to eat rope.
No pressure or anything but we're hoping to get to the eat rope part of Day 2 in less than 1.5 days because mechanics.
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