Newbie 1436 ~ Game Over

[Bert]

GiF and I hydra'd in that game. I was Sound of Silence.

Dang...I didn't realize that and must have been thinking of a different game then.

[Malakittens]

Final VC of D3

With 5 alive it's 3 votes to lynch.

Voting for:

*Fferyllt -
*Bert - Wisdom [1]
*Wisdom - Bert, Fferyllt, Sakura Hana [3] [LYNCH]
*Sakura Hana -
*notscience -

Not voting: notscience [1]

Day 3 ends in (expired on 2013-11-02 00:02:00)[/quote]

Wisdom was a mafia goon. It's now Night 3. All actions are due in 48 hours.

[Malakittens]

Sakura was killed she was a vT.

4

With 3 alive it's 2 votes to lynch.

Voting for:

*Fferyllt -
*Bert -
*notscience -

Not voting: Bert, Fferyllt, notscience [3]

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2013-11-08 14:50:00)

[notscience]

I

really

fucking

hate

lylo

[Bert]

I'm gonna use up the duration of this LYLO deadline thing.

So, put on your seat belts, for this will be a long ride unless you choose to end my journey early.

Love, Bert

[fferyllt]

I

really

fucking

hate

lylo

This.

I've spent the last 2 days having flashbacks to the raptured lylo and going back and forth a million times on you guys.

[fferyllt]

I'm gonna use up the duration of this LYLO deadline thing.

So, put on your seat belts, for this will be a long ride unless you choose to end my journey early.

Love, Bert

So are you planning to use it up by not posting?

[Bert]

I'm actually listening to the whole whole game right now,

On page 50 actually

[notscience]

Does everyone have different voices

[Bert]

No you all sound like a woman robot

[fferyllt]

No you all sound like a woman robot

I'm almost scared to try this, but I would like to see what I'd glean.

I get a lot of tone-based reads from text - from the word choice and from the apparent cadence of the posts - how I think the player would have said the words. There's also a fair bit of "body language" to how posts are written.

Strip that away, and I'm really not sure how I'd interpret either contextual or ISO views of a thread.

[Bert]

Ffery, what do you think of Kaze? You said she made a good point about GM's carelessness probably being more likely to be coming from town. Other than that, I can't find you having commented about that slot in the last couple of days.

I recently did a meta dive on Kaze. His game has been evolving pretty quickly. His first game at MS was a scum game. All his games since then have been town. His tone has gotten lighter and less formal with every game. The stuff that has stayed the same about his town games is reasoned stances and observations. I should go back and look at some of those games, though. IIRC he's been mislynched 2-3 times. I didn't pay attention to why he was mislynched. Was more interested in looking for differences in tone and expressiveness by alignment.

I want to know why you didn't answer me clearly about whether Kaze is scum or town when I asked you. Reading back, I've been looking at things and you have a scum-meta for "saying things without actually talking about the elephant in the room," apparently. So I want you to answer that. I am repeating myself, I know.

Yeah, I'm not buying that answer from Bert.

@Wis, I'm at Bert>Ffery=You

Bert because the way he's going about today is really weird, especially considering someone who loves to sheep leading his own wagon, as well as first votes in lylo have the habit of being scum vying for towncred.

Ffery=you because my reads have been so off this game I literally have fuckall

Oh and Sakura's still the godfather

Why did you not buy my answer? And You thought I was the scummiest out of the three non-conftown players in LYLO Day 3, and that Wisdom was the most towiest. What changed your mind about Wisdom later on?

Also, I knew it would happen but I got a huge headache from skimming the whole game today and also listening to some important parts. I'm about done with this game and want to throw it in the trash lol.

And also I'm like 99.999999% sure who I'm going to vote for, those questions are just questions, and I think I'll cast a vote tonight actually.

Because I don't want to think about this anymore, I've spent enough time thinking about this in the downtime. Did I mention I spent time going through this during N3? Yeah, I have spent times when I'm about to go to sleep thinking about this darn game.

I can't remember a game affecting me like this. Lol!

[Bert]

Kaze's my only solid scumread...

I really don't have anything else to say other than I'm glad Sakura is kinda cleared, OKAY FINE she's clear pretty much.

The paranoia subsided which is really good, for someone who I can't gauge well. Same with Agi, I didn't know what to do to achieve a better read and gauge whether he/she is newbtown or not.

Which leaves <Ffery, Cabd, notscience, Kaze>

That is confusing and...

gut reads:

Cabd leaning town, but I feel the gambit might have been to get himself off the hot seat after being a leaning-scum read for several players... that's where my paranoia comes from, plus I can never trust him in a game, it's just he's very deceitful regardless of alignment

Ffery *probably* town, but yeah, read is town. It's always her cautiousness that gets me sometimes and makes me have second-thoughts, but I have a townread on her, although not quite as strong as before

notscience's trajectory and tunneling doesn't really makes sense from a town perspective, so... i don't remember him ever being so blatant with tunneling and all the bold yet empty accusations, and I almost want to say "surely scum can't be this blatant, right?"

notscience isn't flip-flopping as much as I'm used to, and it's like his reads are kinda stationary, not moving, stagnating, doesn't make sense - the trajectory. Vote is kinda parked at times, at least it feels that way.

<Kaze, notscience> does make sense.

I'm sorry, notscience, if I'm wrong.

But I feel like I can relate to your scumgame. I feel like Ffery has been really genuine, and has appeared more town. This is gut too. Damn ffery just gotta hand it to her if she was scum here. Serious skills.

VOTE: notscience

Notsci did his usual town play in my mini normal. He was scum. Giving him a free meta pass is bad.

This factored into my decision.

notsci-Wisdom - Wisdom has notsci in what amounts to a null spot in his reads list, which is troubling. notsci hasn't posted or really even implied a seriatim list, which is also troubling. The thing that gives me pause about this, like I said, is that notsci's attitude today resonates. But, it could be completely sincere and coming from demotivated scum rather than demotivated town.

I went with scum on ns.

I'm so sorry ns if I'm wrong. I just can't see Ffery as scum over you here.

Your anger, ns, the way my anger (faked) came out in 1482, reminds me too too much of myself.

The way you went all Caps Lock, which is one of those weird tells Nacho has noticed about me when I'm scum, early on in the game, or when you were trying to figure out the gambit. From little things to how the newb who kaze replaced voted you and then was quick to back away on Day 1.

Spoiler:

Bert I'm telling you, it's a TSO/Cabd scumteam.

YOU WANT TO FUCKING GO TSO

BECAUSE ILL LYNCH YOUR SORRY SCUMFUCK ASS BEFORE YOU CAN EVEN BLINK

YOU HAVE DONE JACK SHIT FOR CABD, YOU VOTE HIM

YOU HAD NO REASONINGS

YOU HAD NO STANDINGS

NOTHING.

AND GUESS WHO GOT ALL OF THAT SHIT.

ME.

SO SIT DOWN AND WAIT TO BE LYNCHED SCUMFUCK.

Stuff like that just looks overdone.

To where I was listening and

x ns is leaning town again as of 571.

Guize I'm ready to end this day.

Kaze came in and spouted ns as a townread just like that. Then the townread died, but then then some weird reason 571 which I don't think is sufficient led to the townread to firm up again.

Wisdom came in and just dismissed ns as town, top townread it seems, just like that. As his top townread, when ns has clearly improved his scumgame. How can Wisdom just not mention that at all?

Kaze read ns as town for this:

Spoiler:

THE NEXT PERSON TO VOTE TSO GETS OFFICIAL CONFTOWN STATUS AND I DAMN WELL EXPECT THE HAMMER

Pedit-

Lmfao. You said- " TSO loves to get a scum PM with one of the strongest players in the game and immediately hard-bus the slot."

He wasn't in your role pm.

Nice try.

Especially how you're trying to force yourself into being the shepherd of his wagon when you aren't actually doing shit. It looks like you're trying to get conftown status and you've locked yourself in with no escape.

And guess what- You're the one who brought up meta as a defense.

Guess why?

Because I caught you in something you were changing in a scumgame and you want to say "nah it's not in my meta"

ns's style at the end of the day is more transferable to another alignment, the way he changed his mind about me, like *snap, Wisdom's scum* after Ffery and Sakura also changed their mind, that mind-change from such a tunnely player does NOT look like a natural progression.

I am done with this game now. And again, my energy is spent looking at this game.

Hope I didn't screw this up, but if I did, I did the very best I could in this game. I didn't push myself too hard.

[fferyllt]

I want to know why you didn't answer me clearly about whether Kaze is scum or town when I asked you. Reading back, I've been looking at things and you have a scum-meta for "saying things without actually talking about the elephant in the room," apparently. So I want you to answer that. I am repeating myself, I know.

All I remember about that post is that his meta was on my mind because I was trying to firm up a read. IIRC you asked me about it and I told you that the main thing that bugged me about him at that point was the waffley and hedgy stuff.

I have a habit with meta analysis (and with ISOs, but to a lesser extent) of posting my observations without much interpretation/conclusion, to see what echoes I get back from other players. The exception is when I replace in to games that have a significant number of pages already, where I add commentary because there's an onus to catch up and to also put enough of my thought process into the game that people can read me. But even in that context, I get "yeah, but what do you think it

means

" feedback.

Anyway, my initial answer wound up being meta-based because that's where my head was at.

Vote: NotSci

[Bert]

Aw man ffery was scum

[Bert]

Wow intense game, tough loss. Sorry, town! Good game scum. <3

Thanks Mala too!!!

See you in games elsewhere hopefully.

[Bert]

Oh, and sorry Sakura too!

[fferyllt]

I've been listening to this tune all game.



It pretty much sums up how I feel right now.

gg Bert, notsci. I think every scum game, I feel like I'm on the outside looking in at the team I was supposed to be on.

[notscience]

COME ON BERT

TWO FUCKING LYLOS IN A ROW

-.-

[notscience]

Ugh

I was leaning her scum anyways -.-

[fferyllt]

It

was

an intense game. From an external PoV I don't know that I played all that well, but I did for the most part do something I've been trying to do for a while, which is play a scum game while staying within the behavioral space of my town game.

It's not a good strategy given the direction my town game has been taking. Probably not a good strategy at all.

[Malakittens]

FINAL VOTE COUNT OF DAY 4

With 3 alive it's 2 votes to lynch.

Voting for:

*Fferyllt -
*Bert -
*notscience - Bert, Fferyllt [2] [LYNCH]

Not voting:, notscience [1]

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2013-11-08 14:50:00)

Notscience was lynched. He was a VT.
Bert was stabbed by Fferyllt in the back. He was a VT.

Fferyllt, mafia goon, has survived.

Mafia team of Wisdom & Fferyllt has won!

[Sakura Hana]

I was hoping for a ffery x Bert cross vote, and hoping ns would pick ffery out of the 2, oh well. At least I get to laugh at Wisdom's AtF

[Sakura Hana]

Just please don't ever claim that you can read me, because I'll be instantly linking this game.

[fferyllt]

You played really well, Sakura. Especially day 3. I could tell you were playing out the rope.