Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[Antihero]

oh, so it's a one-shot vanillaizer that only works on scum, eh?

that's an interesting counterbalance to andy's role...

[Varsoon]

Ugh, the wording of that claim makes it reek of town utility.
If anything, it looks like TF was trying to either push a mislynch or 'confirm' town with it, while covering his own ass by claiming an ability that only has town utility.
We probably started acting like he was a vanilla-izer instead because that's null, rather than town-biased. The fact TF didn't correct us then is kinda awkward.

I think the only outed PR on D1 was Notscience as Innochild.
I think there were a couple soft-claims, like with Andrius.

[Antihero]

/ugh

TF's claimed action makes sense and was protown. the only problem is that i have no way of actually knowing if he is who he says he is...

[Varsoon]

/ugh

TF's claimed action makes sense and was protown. the only problem is that i have no way of actually knowing if he is who he says he is...

I've been trying to figure that out all game. That's why he was one of my earliest investigates. All I can tell you is that he isn't vanilla.

I think that's the point of the play, though. To claim a really sensible pro-town action. TF's been doing that kind of thing all game, currying town favor. It's really suspicious, since it's exactly that kind of play that's kept him from getting lynched and even proposed a thoughtless 'lynch-down-the-list' tactic.

[Trust Fund]

It's really suspicious, since it's exactly that kind of play that's kept him from getting lynched and even proposed a thoughtless 'lynch-down-the-list' tactic.

I'd say "you're kidding, right?" but I already know the answer.

What day have I attempted to move the lynch order around? Go on, tell me.

It's always been bro--->andy-nacho--->me--->varsoon. The only reason this game isn't already over with your lynch is TD fucking up the plan. Had we followed the plan exactly as I described it, you'd be dead right now, and so would I, and since there has to be scum amongst us (you) then it'd be my (and town's) win.

So tell me what exactly is suspicious of forming an autowin plan that calls for my own death by leveraging the amount of confotowns to autowin.

[Trust Fund]

oh, so it's a one-shot vanillaizer that only works on scum, eh?

that's an interesting counterbalance to andy's role...

Yes. I tried to trick a scumclaim out of BRO given ffery's read of him by claiming my ability only worked on town instead. But it ended up just wasting my shot since he was VT.

[Varsoon]

oh, so it's a one-shot vanillaizer that only works on scum, eh?

that's an interesting counterbalance to andy's role...

Yes. I tried to trick a scumclaim out of BRO given ffery's read of him by claiming my ability only worked on town instead. But it ended up just wasting my shot since he was VT.

Then how would an investigate of BRO clear you?

Also, that's the brilliance of your lynch-down-the-list plan. You established yourself as someone who would die early on it, but now we're in lylo and you're not dead and all your plan has done is stunt scum-hunting and force a lylo situation, which gives scum a lot higher chance of survival. If TD hadn't voted that way, I'm sure you'd find some other means of squirming out of being the lynch.
It was your best chance at a win.

[Antihero]

re: lynch down the list:

cabd, of course, HAD to go with the plan. What was he going to say? "oh lulz, let's NOT lynch everyone besides confirmed town" It's all a wash.



What was Varsoon's track record with the investigation claim history? Did he actually claim something BEFORE his target claimed PR/vanilla?

[Antihero]

ok, so this is awesome, i have 2 claims where there's no way of verifying either of them.

you know, i want to sheep some dead people. what did mastin and mollie have to say about varsoon and trust fund?

[Trust Fund]

I'm a bit biased, but there's the part where he couldn't keep his fake results straight even though my wording and your wording match.

Will check what they said, I think both of them said both of us were town.

[Antihero]

well danm

who am i going to blamef if i end upl misshammering?

mastin seemed pretty adamant that varsoon was town, thoguh

[Trust Fund]

TOWN:
notscience
Venmar
Mac
TiphaineDeath
Ghostlin
Trust Fund

Faster Than Light
zMuffinMan
Skullduggery/Mutley
Aj The Epic

Tiers 1 and 2. (Trust Fund is borderline 2, but I'm listing them as 1.)

What does that leave?
{Andrius, BROseidon, Nachomamma8, Malakittens, Desperado}

Those five. I can equally guarantee all the remaining scum are in those. five. names.

Now I don't think they're all scum, but four of them pretty much have to be.

Slightly updated. You'll note that Desp has been bumped down quite a few notches, and that Mac's in my tier 1 town-list, now. There are other minor changes, but you get the idea.

Scumreads are, roughly, strongest to weakest:
Malakittens
Nachomamma8
BROseidon
Desperado
Andrius

...Though honestly, the last three are pretty dang interchangeable. BROseidon and Desperado definitely are. And I can't tell with Andrius at all.

This was mastin's most recent reads list.

[Antihero]

shit

a

brick

[Trust Fund]

And this is mollie-jiffy's
(scum)
(town)
(sort/null)

{FTL, nickthename, Mastin, Andi, AJ}
{Ghost, Mac, NS, SOS, TD, TF, Venmar, Thez, Nacho, Muffin, Desp, Mala, Rach}
{BRO, Skull}

[Antihero]

whatever

i'm going to end up mishammering and everyone's going to hate me for it

[Trust Fund]

Anything else you'd like us to dig up?

[Antihero]

no, because then i'd just feel guilty

[Trust Fund]

Well, if you're set for sure in your decision, no reason to keep on going for a two week period. If you want argument and logic, I can provide that.

[Antihero]

i'[m not hammering tonight

my head isn't nearly as clear as it needs to be for when i actually do hammer

i don't know, i'm staring at two unverifiable claims that kind of make sense. /ugh
i'll do some introspection and come back to this tomorrow.

[Trust Fund]

Well, to save myself from losing several years off my lifespan, just let me know if you have questions or something you'd like to know. I still think it's best for you to just read the thread though. My play speaks for itself.

[Varsoon]

TF, that's pretty dirty. I could point to plenty of other players who've had you as scum, but the fact that you deferred specifically to Mollie/Majiffy (who's scum list has all been town so far barring AJ) and you're trying to misrep Mastin as calling me scum despite me being nowhere near his scum-list?

Also, you're trying to use my result on Anti as evidence against me? I was just reporting on the result I got. Furthermore, it makes plenty of sense that my investigate could have been tampered with or that Anti counts as Vanilla now. Did we ever actually get a post that confirmed it was worded the same, or are you making that up, too?

Honestly, the only good thing so far is the post you make about your play speaking for itself.
Anti should look at both of our ISOs and make the decision himself. I think it's clear that you're scum this game, and I've been lobbying for your lynch for awhile now. In fact, why wouldn't you just hammer Andy when I proposed it if you were innocent?
You've always tried to squirm out of things,
So keep squirming to the end, TF, but I've already caught you. I've already won my game. Check mate.

[Trust Fund]

TF, that's pretty dirty. I could point to plenty of other players who've had you as scum, but the fact that you deferred specifically to Mollie/Majiffy (who's scum list has all been town so far barring AJ) and you're trying to misrep Mastin as calling me scum despite me being nowhere near his scum-list?

what did mastin and mollie have to say about varsoon and trust fund?

[Varsoon]

What I'm saying is that coupling both of those posts indicates that those two players had me as scum, when the reality is that Mastin was reading me as town (as far as I can remember) and that majiffy/mollie was always skeptical of me and was wrong on most of those reads. The way you presented the info struck me as underhanded, because it ignores posts like:

[9] TiphaineDeath (Venmar, zMuffinMan, nickthename, BeautyAndTheBeast, Mac, Ghostlin, Faster Than Light, Trust Fund, [nhammen/Malakittens])

For the record, people seem to forget that nhammen supported this wagon but critically, avoided joining it.

And since it's been brought up:
Venmar, BeautyAndTheBeast, Ghostlin, and FTL (in no particular order) are definitely not scum, with Trust Fund and zMuffinMan both similarly being eliminated.

That leaves {nick, Mac, nhammen/Malakittens} left. If there's scum on the wagon, it's in those names. (Which, again, is a good piece of evidence for lynching Malakittens.)

I am tired of talking about the gambit thing, I think it is based on flawed logic and won't yield good results and I am even slightly scum reading varsoon for pushing it cos he keeps providing excuses for nicky is a definite ewww. people are not assholes just cos they don't want to tie up the game with your antics. trust and confidence have to be earned and you most definitely don't have it and should probably be sus of the people who are automatically giving it to you, especially since I think mala is town telling.

Mastin had me as a set-in-stone townread, and Mollie/Majiffy had me as a slight scum read due to my gambit, and stalling their Nick wagon because I thought Mala was scum.

[Trust Fund]

The reads list I quoted from mastin was after the post you just quoted, he has you as tier two town, me as borderline tier one town. Show me where in my quote he calls you scum.

[Antihero]

my gut is telling me it's trust fund.

then again my gut is just a gloppy mess that digests food, so it probably doesn't know what the hell it's talking about

stupid gut