My townread on you, aside from setup spec, was basically nothing. I can't even remember the reasons I had it, anymore.In post 726, Grimgroove wrote:You downplay your former townread on me now, but the cases you've made for me town, setup specs included, were far more convincing and logical than anything you've presented on Maemuki or Malakittens.
) But that was a mistake. You're scum.If the plan's not stupid? If the plan will work, taking all the variables into account? Of course I'm going to follow it; it'd be against my wincon to NOT follow it. But if the plan's stupid and/or looks smart but has a fatal flaw? Damn right I'm not going to follow the guidelines.In post 729, Lord Mhork wrote:I don't trust him to follow any set guidelines and role blocking can fuck everything up hard.
What am I, a reckless vig that shoots regardless of town's input? >_<In post 731, Lord Mhork wrote:What if mastin just doesn't care? So far I've seen little that indicates he's willing to step off his pedestal and work with people that aren't him.
For instance? I think you might actually be town, Mhork. It's certainly possible. So I'm willing to listen to your ideas. I'll ultimately be the judge of whether those ideas are actually valid, of course, but I'm willing to try. And I'm also listening to Malakittens, shos, and Ghostlin.Presumably, she's talking about Vs. Mafia, run by Voidedmafia. (I'm too lazy to track down the link.) My claim there was Doctor, and I made it fit with the scum's accidental no-kill one night, along with my predecessor's reads. (I agonized over that for a good five, ten minutes. It's one of the main factors which delayed my roleclaim, in fact: checking for consistency. I needed to make sure whoever I claimed to be a protection was someone my predecessor townread D1, and continued to townread all through their part of D2.) I wanted to confirm mollie, but I couldn't because she screwed her claim up and was confscum as a result, so I...improvised.In post 739, Malakittens wrote:I really don't know if its Mastin. Going by posts and everything I don't think he's scum, but his claim really felt similar to the claim back in a micro when he replaced a scum slot. /:
I am not fakeclaiming. This is not my style of fakeclaiming at all. It's elaborate. It's convoluted. It is something people can easily think via occam's razor to be a lie. Which is precisely why it's true. Someone did.In post 744, shos wrote:Anyone considered 3rd party existence?
No. It seems unlikely at this point in a role madness game and the lack of NKs last night points to it not existing.In post 744, shos wrote:Anyone considered 3rd party existence?
That plan doesnt really do anything.
Mhorks role imo is useless and can belong to scum even uf he isnt lying.
Mala, please claim, itll truly truly help.
Ghostlin is conf by mastin.
I am conf by mala and mala is conf by me.
We need malas claim to plan the night.
It's not me, and I really think at this point it's Grimgroove.In post 752, Ghostlin wrote:Guys, it's very likely Grimgroove/Mastin.
You began to scumread me this heavily after I reversed my opinion on you and called you scum. While you had voted me before then, you were not pushing me as hard as you are now. You're displaying OMGUS survivalistic tendencies, painting me as confirmed scum because you know that you need me mislynched in order to stand a chance at victory. This makes no sense from a town-GG perspective, anyway. Shos was supporting an Mhork lynch. Why would a scum-Mastin abandon a wagon that's
Town uncertainty caused me not to push you as heavily. But I did push you. I scrutinized your cases. I've ISO'd your and your predecessor's past. I openly voiced my doubts surrounding your claim.In post 756, mastin2 wrote:You began to scumread me this heavily after I reversed my opinion on you and called you scum. While you had voted me before then, you were not pushing me as hard as you are now.
Of course it makes sense. I see someone trying to lynch me over bullshit. That's what it is. Bullshit, and some circumstancial arguments as a sider. Absolutely nothing tangible.You're displaying OMGUS survivalistic tendencies, painting me as confirmed scum because you know that you need me mislynched in order to stand a chance at victory. This makes no sense from a town-GG perspective, anyway.
You can always go back to the MHork-wagon tomorrow and hope it gains traction again. By the way, it wasn't gaining traction. It did at some point, but it lost it again before you started calling me out.Shos was supporting an Mhork lynch. Why would a scum-Mastin abandon a wagon that'sjust beginning to gain tractionin favor of switching to a wagon on someone that could very well condemn him the next day?
Even though I don't know what you look like, I can picture your face when typing that up perfectlyI wouldn't. If I were scum, I'd still be on Mhork. I could continue to tunnel him all day, and be townread for having done so. But no. I'm not scum, wanting to survive. I'm not scum, trying to look good. I'm not scum, trying to mislynch. I'm town, trying to get scum lynched, and I think the scum isYOU.
Liking the theatrics, but content of that line = zero. It boils down to "I wouldn't do this as scum. I'm not scum. you are.". Not so convincing without the theatrics, hm?Nobody has to agree with the plan. At least I'm suggesting a plan, everyone is welcome to propose adjustments according to their concerns, and we talk it over. All that has happened to my plan so far is that it has been largely ignored.It's the weekend, so I don't have much time to explain, but I'll run through Grimgroove's plan, assuming he's a mafia roleblocker, and show why it's beneficial to a scum wincon come Monday.
I should clarify this bit further, because the argument he's using against me as supposedly crucial (I take into the account the possibility of MAlakittens being aninja) will especially sound true to Malakittens, who (I am now convinced) knowing herself not to be a ninja, will naturally feel inclined to see mastin's side of the story.In post 757, Grimgroove wrote:It's fairly obvious what mastin is doing, at least to me. He has taken note of Malakittens' paranoia when it comes to me, stemming from a previous game and thought he could use it to his advantage. and as evident from his last explanation, he also seems to think that this switch will make him look like paranoid-town (like the rest of us), earning him townpoints.
| Name | claim | |
|---|---|---|
Shos | Obsessive tracker on Mala | |
Mala | non-VT | Although shos saw that she didn't move tonight |
| Mastin | JK | targetted Ghostlin |
Ghostlin | Bodyguard | targetted uh...someone, don't remember |
| GG | Follower | targetted BV, "no result" |
| Mhork | Mailman | Can be(or has been?) confirmed by ??? |
| BV | Neighbourizer | confirmed by mhork |
^In post 743, Grimgroove wrote:
Ghostlin protects shos.
Mhork sends letter to shos or Ghostlin.
shos tracks Malakittens (is a given)
Malakittens does what she does to whoever she wants, but she needs to do it.
Grimgroove follows Mhork.
Hell no. As scum, I go for a win. Not to get some petty mislynch to stain a town's record.In post 757, Grimgroove wrote:I'm getting the feeling mastin is going for a badge of honour here, trying to get a mislynch before he goes down.
It might have started as that, yes. But saying that's all there is against you is a massive strawman. Your comment set off a red flag. Your reaction to it set off another. And your continued stances on things, and me stepping back from things to re-evaluate them, made me realize I had missed another. (That I had no actual reason to be townreading you aside from some half-assed setup spec.)The argument is that I am scum for contemplating the idea of a Ninja Roleblocker. That is it.
Serious question:He has taken note of Malakittens' paranoia when it comes to me, stemming from a previous game and thought he could use it to his advantage.
Except I explicitly said that I wasn't. I'm not aiming for towncred. I'mand as evident from his last explanation, he also seems to think that this switch will make him look like paranoid-town (like the rest of us), earning him townpoints.
I've pulled 180s, 360s, 720s, 90s, and just about every possible degree of rotation of reads over my career. Mostly as town, very rarely ever as scum. As scum, my play IS to be consistent. It's to tunnel. It's to be unmoving as I possibly can, to stubbornly hold onto reads that have long-since passed their expiration date.He cannot explain such a 180-turn. He can't. He was CONVINCED Mhork was scum. Now he's CONVINCED I am scum, and wants to work together with Mhork, who he suddenly wants to consider possible town.
Actually, I always make my arguments look more confident than they really are. Know why? Because the real Mastin is a wreck. Plagued by self-doubt, by an utter lack of confidence, always waffling, always letting his overreactive (not overactive; overREactive!) imagination take him to the never-ending cycle of self-inflicted WIFOM. It's alignment-null, because I do it as both town and scum, buuuuuuuut, that doesn't mean every single push I do is off of a lie. Quite the opposite, I typically don't push something unless I feel really strongly about it. To put it another way--I may say something is 95%, but behind the mask of confidence, that's probably closer to 75 or maybe 85%. So if I said Mhork was 95% scum, it's actually more like one of those numbers. In that it IS something I feel strongly about. It's NOT a weak push. But it's also not as strong as I pretend it to be. So in a sense, you can say that I don't lie, but I DO exaggerate. (After all, I'm a writer, and writers' job isn't to create fiction--it's to exaggerate the truth.The fact he abandons his Mhork-scum arguments so easily means he never really felt so strongly about them in the first place. Yet he certainly gave off the impression that he did. Why? Scum going for a mislynch.
)Oh, agreed. So let's make it official.If I get mislynched you simply cannot let mastin get away with it. CANNOT.
Circumstancial arguments are my forte.Bullshit, and some circumstancial arguments as a sider. Absolutely nothing tangible.
They're seriously how I get the majority of my scumhunting done. See, I'm overall not a very refined scumhunter. Typically, my job in a town is to stir up things, off of circumstancial pieces of evidence, and let other town players I trust analyze them to see if I've got something that could be valid.No, it was gaining traction before my callout of you, with people like shos expressing interest, you expressing interest, and probably at least one other player that I can't remember doing the same, if not more.By the way, it wasn't gaining traction. It did at some point, but it lost it again before you started calling me out.
If nobody agrees with the plan, there's typically a damn-good reason--it being a scum-oriented one.Nobody has to agree with the plan.
It's not, and you damn-well know it.In post 770, Grimgroove wrote:I pray this game is over.
