Do influential people always provide better arguments?

Telo · Post Post #25 (ISO) » Sat Oct 05, 2013 8:49 am

The only game that I've played with one of the colored names he was in our mafia faction and he was the only one of us to get lynched. It seemed that people were excited to play with him like he was a celeb or something but that didn't make them listen to him and it didn't stop them from stringing him up.

Being well known might be a handicap because people know your play style so well they can tell when you're full of it.

quadz08 · Post Post #26 (ISO) » Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:49 pm

I was that guy, I think? I am not well-known for my prowess at playing the game (read: I am Bad At Mafia). I'm not influential with any established players, and any influence I do exert in games (which seems minimal at best from my perspective) comes solely from the colored name.

Nero Cain · Post Post #27 (ISO) » Sat Oct 05, 2013 6:26 pm

No. No player is ever "on" every game and folks shouldn't sheep a player just 'cause they have a reputation.

talah · Post Post #28 (ISO) » Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:38 pm

Happy Birthday!

YellowKingValley · Post Post #29 (ISO) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:59 pm

Appeal to authority.

sthar8 · Post Post #30 (ISO) » Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:03 am

I very very very rarely get mislynched, excepting a run of meatworld mafia where I was policy lynched day 1 ~15 games in a row. The key to charisma is self-confidence, which can absolutely be learned.

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #31 (ISO) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:11 am

I've never really noticed that "influential players" are listened to moreso than just that "bad players" are ignored.

Tamuz · Post Post #32 (ISO) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:21 am

In post 29, YellowKingValley wrote:Appeal to authority.

What's wrong with an appeal to authority?

YellowKingValley · Post Post #33 (ISO) » Mon Oct 28, 2013 2:58 am

In post 32, Tamuz wrote:What's wrong with an appeal to authority?

Nothing is wrong with appealing to authority. Circular reasoning can be true too.

Benmage · Post Post #34 (ISO) » Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:39 am

In post 24, Vi wrote:I've been mislynched before, but only in games that are pretty much thoroughly FUBAR; Town has gone on to lose by a significant margin every time it's happened in the last four years. I imagine Faraday gets mislynched even less often.

The once in a blue blue moon I've been lynched as scum, has been by a PR outting cop, mafia 100... Years ago.. or the more recent 2 years or so ago game, original invictus, where it was an organized busing to propel scum victory!
-Think I've won all scum games for over 2 years now. (Minus fortnight... but etc)

As for town, slightly less, but extraordinarily rare as well.... I'd say usually ends poorly for town, and tends to be a result of headless paranoid mindfubared

chickens

people.

Zachrulez · Post Post #35 (ISO) » Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:13 am

In post 24, Vi wrote:I've been mislynched before, but only in games that are pretty much thoroughly FUBAR; Town has gone on to lose by a significant margin every time it's happened in the last four years. I imagine Faraday gets mislynched even less often.

I had a streak of no mislynches that went all the way back to 2009 and was broken recently in a 3p micro where I got a role that played a part in dictating my lynch. Part of me doesn't even want to count it but...

(Joining a 3p game like that is kinda asking to be lynched though isn't it?)

Vi · Post Post #36 (ISO) » Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:55 am

In post 35, Zachrulez wrote:(Joining a 3p game like that is kinda asking to be lynched though isn't it?)

Joining games in general is kind of asking to be lynched, tbef.

kuribo · Post Post #37 (ISO) » Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:23 pm

In post 34, Benmage wrote:(Minus fortnight... but etc)

i always say that not counting fortnight, I've been town in literally every game in over a year

neither of us count fortnight apparently since we're allowed to disqualify an outlier?

FakeGod · Post Post #38 (ISO) » Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:43 pm

psssh I was mafia twice in my entire time on this site

Tamuz · Post Post #39 (ISO) » Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:37 pm

You're scum every game, you just happen to get sent a role with a town win con.

ArcAngel9 · Post Post #40 (ISO) » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:23 am

Oh yes, I have had my moments on this site.
They were multiple times i was so correct with who is mafia in a game yet my reasons were ignored and those lnches wont passes through, mostly never.

I completely agree that a player influence is pretty high on this site... its more like a site META. you have an expereinced player in the game.. Just sheep him.... its the kind of behaviour most players displaying anand letting town loose game.

Tamuz · Post Post #41 (ISO) » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:34 am

Posted from my iPhone.

Eddard Stark · Post Post #42 (ISO) » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:44 pm

Yes, the argument that "if people have listened to me when I was right it'd own" is a convincing once. Most people tend to leave out all the (more frequent) times they're wrong though, but anyway.

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #43 (ISO) » Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:42 pm

In post 40, ArcAngel9 wrote:They were multiple times i was so correct with who is mafia in a game yet my reasons were ignored and those lnches wont passes through, mostly never.

I wrote:I've never really noticed that "influential players" are listened to moreso than just that "bad players" are ignored.

Psyche · Post Post #44 (ISO) » Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:27 pm

It's all a matter of shouting the right things loudly over and over again.

F-16_Fighting_Falcon · Post Post #45 (ISO) » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:20 pm

In post 40, ArcAngel9 wrote:Oh yes, I have had my moments on this site.
They were multiple times i was so correct with who is mafia in a game yet my reasons were ignored and those lnches wont passes through, mostly never.

I completely agree that a player influence is pretty high on this site... its more like a site META. you have an expereinced player in the game.. Just sheep him.... its the kind of behaviour most players displaying anand letting town loose game.

You have a good point but I don't think it is as simple as you make it out to be. Some players are good with ascertaining motivations of others and figuring out who the scum are. Some players are skilled at making convincing cases and pushing for lynches. If you find that you are often correct in your suspicions but that those players weren't lynched, it means that they were more skilled at presenting good cases than you, while you are more skilled than the other townies in deducing the motivations of players in the game.

For example if you were right about player M being mafia, and Townie T thinks that townie X is mafia and pushes a lynch successfully, it is clear that T is better than you at pushing cases and you are better than T at scumhunting. The best scumhunters aren't necessarily the most persuasive players. You are expecting someone who is worse scumhunter but a better case-pusher to have the same scumhunting ability as you while you don't seem to be able to match their persuasive ability.

Wake1 · Post Post #46 (ISO) » Thu Nov 28, 2013 9:57 am

In post 0, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote: When someone that is well-known posts arguments for the lynch of a player, it almost always goes through whereas if a relatively unknown player does it, it takes a lot more time to push through the lynch. This usually doesn't even matter what their alignments are and whether or not they are leading mislynches.

Regarding the completed games I've been in, I get the feeling this is true.