Marketplace Mafia III - Game Over

[Magua]

Vote Count 3.3

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

VoidedMafia (1): 1baldeagle1
Nero Cain (1): Lost Butterfly
KingdomAces (1): Garuda

Not Voting (15): VoidedMafia, PeregrineV, Nero Cain, Seanald, pieguyn, morph the cat, BBmolla, Ghostly Penguin, Harakiri, uʍop ǝpısdn, zMuffinMan, ProHawk, Lord Mhork, KingdomAces, JacobSavage

Deadline for Day 3 is Tuesday, November 12th, at 3:00pm EST (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2013-11-12 15:00:00)

[Voidedmafia]

And if they flip town?

Then its their own damn fault for faking the reply.

P: based on mhork's post, it sounds like it. Am I missing something?

[morph the cat]

Both answers were correct.

[morph the cat]

And if they flip town?

Then its their own damn fault for faking the reply.

P: based on mhork's post, it sounds like it. Am I missing something?

Yeah you're missing that Tammy answered both questions correctly and straightforwardly.

The rest of this shit has been "what ifs", mostly.

[Voidedmafia]

And if they flip town?

Then its their own damn fault for faking the reply.

P: based on mhork's post, it sounds like it. Am I missing something?

Yeah you're missing that Tammy answered both questions correctly and straightforwardly.

The rest of this shit has been "what ifs", mostly.

...I'm afraid I'm a little confused as to what your actual purpose was, but I don't it particularly matters.

I question why aces wouldn't confirm in his own words that zdenek got what he said he did, but I'm not getting scumvibes from him.

[Voidedmafia]

And if they flip town?

Then its their own damn fault for faking the reply.

P: based on mhork's post, it sounds like it. Am I missing something?

Yeah you're missing that Tammy answered both questions correctly and straightforwardly.

The rest of this shit has been "what ifs", mostly.

...I'm afraid I'm a little confused as to what your actual purpose was, but I don't it particularly matters.

I question why aces wouldn't confirm in his own words that zdenek got what he said he did, but I'm not getting scumvibes from him.

[Lost Butterfly]

Also Tammy thinks this is fake and for show.

Why the hell are you doubting my claim? Why would I be lying?

Okay. Mhork is

definitely

talking to Tammy.

[Lost Butterfly]

Are we full-claiming amounts we spent and roles we have, or just WHAT we bid on last night?

Whoever got NK and BP should probably do the former. The rest can do the latter, I think.

Why would BP claim?

Why did BP go for far more than the nk did? Bp was bought for $191. Nk, $76. One scumteam, maybe both was/were so scared of dying to the n3 nk I guess they reasoned was already out of their hands (which I think does a little toward thinking the majority of the Five are town) that they didn't care for the n2 nk they were more sure of obtaining instead of contesting for it. If one of the six bid on it and another managed to win the nk as well (assuming it wasn't pyro, anyways), then we just stole their chance of killing another townie AND prevented them from having any chance of protection against any nks we do have for at least one night, maybe more.

Wait a minute. So...you're saying that scum are the ones who bid so much on BP, because they wanted to protect themselves from crosskills from the other team?

(In other news, the Mhork cross-examination is pointless. He's obviously in contact with Pyro due to the outside information he has, you can't infer anything at all about Pyro's read on Mhork because they'd never deliberately lie just to make Mhork look scummy, and Mhork was town anyway for stuff that happened on D1 so none of this matters.)

[Ghostlin]

So, up to Page 30. There's not a lot fucking there, and I had a few quotes, but none of them told me anything new.

My only take-away is what was the use of covering what was advertised Night 0 if none of the players who didn't advertise anything weren't pushed?

[Lost Butterfly]

Ghostlin: the goal was actually to check if the claims corresponded with the abilities that showed up.

OH!

Did anyone advertise $5 or less on an ability that showed up on N2?

[Lost Butterfly]

EBWOP: advertise the ability on N1, I mean.

[Ghostly Penguin]

So, up to Page 30. There's not a lot fucking there, and I had a few quotes, but none of them told me anything new.

My only take-away is what was the use of covering what was advertised Night 0 if none of the players who didn't advertise anything weren't pushed?

[Ghostly Penguin]

Ghostlin: the goal was actually to check if the claims corresponded with the abilities that showed up.

OH!

Did anyone advertise $5 or less on an ability that showed up on N2?

Let me ask the question a different way: since not advertising at all hurts Town's wincon but not Scum's, why aren't we metaing anyone immediately that claims to advertise nothing, particularly the first Night (Night 0)?

The reason why I say shit like that, is Town needs certain abilities to remain in the game (Cop, Tracker, Watcher, Doc), while scum doesn't necessarily need Investigation Immune or Hitman if certain abilities vanish.

[Ghostly Penguin]

Ghostlin: the goal was actually to check if the claims corresponded with the abilities that showed up.

OH!

Did anyone advertise $5 or less on an ability that showed up on N2?

We advertised according to the 'plan' post, which means we placed $5 on the abilities instructed.

Again, we didn't like the plan, we thought it was fucking stupid (PA's much nicer than I about this shit) and I wasn't a fan of who we gave our remainder to (which we aren't revealing, you can go ahead and lynch us), but we did it.

[Voidedmafia]

Wait a minute. So...you're saying that scum are the ones who bid so much on BP, because they wanted to protect themselves from crosskills from the other team?

(In other news, the Mhork cross-examination is pointless. He's obviously in contact with Pyro due to the outside information he has, you can't infer anything at all about Pyro's read on Mhork because they'd never deliberately lie just to make Mhork look scummy, and Mhork was town anyway for stuff that happened on D1 so none of this matters.)

No, to protect themselves from the nk going up tnoight. There may be another reason why BP was so hotly contested that I'm not thinking of, but what I said seems to be the most logical, or why would it have gone for $191?

(Eh, I haven't been liking mhork as of late. Are you sure that what he's done D1 really outweighs anything else so far?)

[Voidedmafia]

EBWOP: To protect themselves from the town, which they presumably think will win the nk going up tonight.

Ghostlin:

A. Why was the plan stupid, again?

B. Even though that probably would've been a good angle to start from d1, what good would meta do?

[Lost Butterfly]

Wait - what;

UNVOTE:

Also whats with the 1.5 days compared to 18 hours?

VOTE: DoctorPepper

Trim the Dead wood. (I was going to do a comparative ISO of Voided to DP but then I saw the size difference...)

Hey, um, do you realise ellipses are scummy?

[Lost Butterfly]

(Can you please explain why you did that scummy action, thanks)

[Lost Butterfly]

^ Sorry, forgot to sign my posts. Those were both Mina. You can tell by the fact I used capitalisation!

Oh, now I see what you're getting at. Just from the sheer amount of money he's getting? I'll come back with a full meta report on him when I get some more time (going out tonight) then if we want to be absolutely sure.

Faraday thinks reading his iso this game would help you get a town read. Me? Well I'm just unsure on everything. Paralysed by fear, crippled by self doubt. Sorry...I'll stop being whiny!

~ Mina

[Lost Butterfly]

...Remind me of why I agreed to hydra with Faraday, again.

(Am a bit sad I didn't just catch Voided trying to fake a townslip when he'd already shown knowledge of the crosskill immunity. Oh, well.)

Let me ask the question a different way: since not advertising at all hurts Town's wincon but not Scum's, why aren't we metaing anyone immediately that claims to advertise nothing, particularly the first Night (Night 0)?

This is a terrible argument (speaking as someone who chose not to advertise N0, although it was the wrong move in retrospect). Should we resurrect Pyrotechnics and lynch them for not advertising anything at all? Although I agree that advertising a protown ability on N0 (when you were less accountable for it) is a point in someone's favour, that doesn't mean NOT advertising is particularly telling. For one, scum can lie about what they advertised, and for another, not advertising is a perfectly viable strategy--it means more money for actually bidding on abilities.

Since you keep bashing the plan, what would you have done differently? Do you have any improvements to suggest for tonight instead of repeating how stupid we were for going through with it? (Also, the reason to claim is so we know something's fishy if the money claimed to be transferred and the money received don't add up; Banakai's ad claims mean I don't really suspect you now, but you not revealing reduces how useful everyone else's claim is, since any discrepancy could just be because of your mystery donation.)

Also, what did you advertise on

N1

?

[zMuffinMan]

To everyone else: should we ask him to try and buy the nk every night if he's town?

no

It gave me a coaching vibe.

if scum have daytalk, why would they coach each other in thread? even if they didn't, KA has been in game since D2, so why would he coach in thread D3?

do you think he ACTUALLY mediumed Tammy when he could/would medium DrPepper?

that's not how medium works

I am pretty positive at least two if not three scums are in our top 6 town pile

which two or three? less vague, more specific plx

Are you suggesting that Tammy would refuse to answer a question just because she might think Mhork was scum?

it's possible, if mhork was cocky scum who was like, "hahaha, we killed you last night, bitch!" in his first message to them. that's why i don't mind the line of questioning from morph and don't think it's necessarily fake

tbh, i'd like to see another question asked in similar vain towards the end of the day to make sure mhork isn't deliberately misrepresenting anything they're telling him. like, i think mhork is town, but it doesn't hurt to do this

[Lost Butterfly]

Hey, Muffin, what are your thoughts on ProHawk being proven to have advertised Gravedigger? Does that affect your read of him? (He's someone I want to take a closer look at today. I remember thinking he came off badly in his posts at the end of D2, but I kind of skimmed his argument with you.)

tbh, i'd like to see another question asked in similar vain towards the end of the day to make sure mhork isn't deliberately misrepresenting anything they're telling him. like, i think mhork is town, but it doesn't hurt to do this

I agree with this.

[morph the cat]

tbh, i'd like to see another question asked in similar vain towards the end of the day to make sure mhork isn't deliberately misrepresenting anything they're telling him. like, i think mhork is town, but it doesn't hurt to do this

I'm sure we can figure out some more. Both mine and ffery's syr-based hydrae have enough completed games that we can ask some hard to fake results to questions.

[zMuffinMan]

what are your thoughts on ProHawk being proven to have advertised Gravedigger?

should i have thoughts on this? because i don't. it doesn't really play a factor in my read on him, if that's what you're asking. i don't share your opinion that advertising abilities means anything about alignment, or is even really a point in someone's favour. it would not surprise me in the least if scum are claiming to have advertised protown abilities. it's what i might have done as scum N0.

[Lord Mhork]

This is the part where all players NOT in the town 6 (well 5) claim their exact actions on both advertising and money sending.

After that, the town five will claim their results.

Advertised $10 each to Cop, Doc, Tracker, Wage Freeze, and Watcher and threw $123 at upside down. I also mediumed pyro for aformentioned reasoning.

A QUESTION TO EVERYONE

Who do you think bussed DP?

If you don't think anyone bussed him, then why not?

For me, I think it was Voided.

I think I'll do some VCA on him later. But as far as I know, Voided has been on every wagon that lead to a lynch.

Probably Seanald/Harakiri since I likes all the others. Also the fact that the wagoned just sorta sat there for a bit was an indicator that his buddies weren't necessarily jumping at the chance to bus him for glorious towncred, but that's just my $.02.

Mhork, what made you decide to use your Medium on Pyro? Also, can you ask them if they have Ninja or Governor?

Just because I'd like to actually type this as a real post, my reasoning was fairly simple. I wanted to pick one of the Big Six because that's where the money was headed. Concentrated money was a more likely target for scum to shoot at, so it seemed fairly straightforward to medium one of them. Then I factored in general mood and I recalled a lot of people proclaiming obvtown Pyro more than obv town anyone else, so I figured if that stuck in my mind, it probably would have been stuck in other peoples' mind. Plus I generally think more highly of Pyro's opinion since Pyro was really, really town >.>

In addition Tammy refused to confirm any thing with regard to abilities owned or money possessed until she sees what other people did.

In addition some more Tammy thoughts:

She feels like not everyone should have transferred money to the Big Six. She thinks we should have had top scum reads transferring money to people.
She doesn't like how muffin transferred lots of money to Lost Butterfly because they weren't even on their Big Six.
And, though I don't necessarily agree, Tammy points out that Hirikari looks townier for ignoring the plan.
In addition she likes Prohawk claiming he sent money to her and thinks that PV should out his neighborhood.

given it's a large game, scum lynches this early in the game most likely will involve bussing. tho keep in mind there's only 2 other people on his team (or mb 3)

now that you mention it, thinking about it from a money standpoint bussing might not be such a good idea. not sure atm >_<

It seems more likely that right-scum were on it.

There may be one leftie who was stuck with the bus job, but it seems more like the third (or other two) would've distanced or not been on it.

That makes mhork worse, imo. Sure, using medium on tammy is a town-looking move, but I really don't like his half-hearted support of the wagon and the fact that he never actually voted DP despite saying he agreed with it and should vote him.

Ah yes. My halfhearted support of the wagon and then not doing anything about it. It couldn't possibly stemmed from me, ya know, not being on/looking at the game/being busy with real life, right?

Re: Asking questions in the QT to prove that I'm talking with Pyro:

As I've said before: Syry thinks that it's cheating and Tammy thinks it's fake and for show. Also I don't want to do it because it's stupid. I'm not lying and I've already demonstrated the fact that I'm not lying.

For the record, failure to answer correctly will be taken as a scum claim.

These types of posts always piss me off too. Quit focusing on trying to find people who 'claim scum' and hunt scum. Like Nero. Or Seanald.

Mhork, are these in order?

Town:

Voidedmafia
zmuffinman
Lost Butterfly
Pyromaniacs
morph the cat
1baldeagle1

No

If your name is Mhork, please read this.

Can you please ask Pyro the following:
-Top 3 Scumreads
-Top 3 Townreads
-Read on VoidedMafia

Her response was along the lines of IRL happening so she's busy. She's also very pleased that she can put off reads and not get called out on it.