Micro 252: There Is No Doctor - END

[Bulbazak]

Votes are louder than words in this game.

Yes, it would be so nice if votes stayed put when placed. My point is that what's going on in a game is never as simple as what the vote count says.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I never said it was, Bulb.... ? Why are you acting like that was the end all be all of my push on TPR?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

F-16 doesn't look like the most sophisticated player.

I take it you haven't played with F-16 before.

ffery (this is ffery, right?), it is bugging me that you aren't commenting on the game or influencing it in any way - definitely a far cry from Newbie 1415 or your other games that I read where you were town. Your actions match up much more closely with your early behavior in HPCOS. I just haven't felt a presence from you that I usually get - and it is generally difficult to forget that you are in a game.

[The Purple Rose]

Bulb can you look at what I was responding to before you shoot me down?

I did. My point is that what is literally happening (how many votes are on F-16) is never what is actually happening (F-16 is the easier wagon to push). It's simply a matter of reading between the lines, something that you have repeatedly shown an inability to do. Just because F-16 doesn't have the most votes now doesn't mean that he isn't the easiest lynch to push. If you had been paying attention to what was happening in the game, you'd find that almost everybody has reservations of one sort or another about F-16, essentially making him the default lynch for the day (or compromise). Pay attention. If a player is unable to push the wagon they want, they are likely to change their vote to F-16.

Yes, I was right, I like you.

F-16 doesn't look like the most sophisticated player.

I take it you haven't played with F-16 before.

As far as I know, I haven't played with any of you, so those were first impressions only. What did I miss?

[sangres]

Bulb can you look at what I was responding to before you shoot me down?

I did. My point is that what is literally happening (how many votes are on F-16) is never what is actually happening (F-16 is the easier wagon to push). It's simply a matter of reading between the lines, something that you have repeatedly shown an inability to do. Just because F-16 doesn't have the most votes now doesn't mean that he isn't the easiest lynch to push. If you had been paying attention to what was happening in the game, you'd find that almost everybody has reservations of one sort or another about F-16, essentially making him the default lynch for the day (or compromise). Pay attention. If a player is unable to push the wagon they want, they are likely to change their vote to F-16.

Yes, I was right, I like you.

F-16 doesn't look like the most sophisticated player.

I take it you haven't played with F-16 before.

As far as I know, I haven't played with any of you, so those were first impressions only. What did I miss?

The degree to which his play has moved the game forward.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Yes, I was right, I like you.

"He's attacking my attacker so I will buddy him."

[sangres]

Bulb can you look at what I was responding to before you shoot me down?

I did. My point is that what is literally happening (how many votes are on F-16) is never what is actually happening (F-16 is the easier wagon to push). It's simply a matter of reading between the lines, something that you have repeatedly shown an inability to do. Just because F-16 doesn't have the most votes now doesn't mean that he isn't the easiest lynch to push. If you had been paying attention to what was happening in the game, you'd find that almost everybody has reservations of one sort or another about F-16, essentially making him the default lynch for the day (or compromise). Pay attention. If a player is unable to push the wagon they want, they are likely to change their vote to F-16.

What is your read of F-16?

[sangres]

F-16 doesn't look like the most sophisticated player.

I take it you haven't played with F-16 before.

ffery (this is ffery, right?), it is bugging me that you aren't commenting on the game or influencing it in any way - definitely a far cry from Newbie 1415 or your other games that I read where you were town. Your actions match up much more closely with your early behavior in HPCOS. I just haven't felt a presence from you that I usually get - and it is generally difficult to forget that you are in a game.

Nacho and I haven't crossed paths since I found out the game started. I p much agree with his town reads, but I want to talk to him about the pitoli vote.

[TheIrishPope]

VOTE: purple rose
I don't even care if this is hammer but I'm ready to end the day now

[EspeciallyTheLies]

UNVOTE:

It better not be hammer TiP. I will kill you tomorrow if it is.

We are barely 3 days into D1 and you're trying to hammer? WTF kind of anti-town, discussion stopping shit is this? I haven't even gotten home and had a chance to talk more in-depth with TPR or sangres.

NOT. COOL.

[TheIrishPope]

Why would you want to talk to scum and someone I haven't even analyzed?
Heeeeey sangres

[EspeciallyTheLies]

UH HELLO. I NEED COMPLETE READS.

[TheIrishPope]

Whatever ETL, I don't have TIME fo yo bullshit

[Bulbazak]

I never said it was, Bulb.... ?

You implied it pretty heavily.

Why are you acting like that was the end all be all of my push on TPR?

I haven't commented at all on your push on Rose. I just felt that your rebuttal was very poor.

That being said, I think you're wrong on Rose and are just overreacting. There, now I've commented on your push on Rose.

What is your read of F-16?

Null/town, mostly due to PoE. I didn't care for his early game, but I really don't think he and Pitoli are scum together.

[sangres]

UNVOTE:

It better not be hammer TiP. I will kill you tomorrow if it is.

We are barely 3 days into D1 and you're trying to hammer? WTF kind of anti-town, discussion stopping shit is this? I haven't even gotten home and had a chance to talk more in-depth with TPR or sangres.

NOT. COOL.

That was L-2.

[Lastsurvivor]

What game have i played with last survivor?

duck duck goose I think? Idk it was during the summer

That's just the way I roll. I hunt for town more than scum. I agree with my townreads and try my best to work with them. I even try to work with scumreads to see if they can convince me otherwise. My best method of finding scum is to have enough solid townreads that I POE them.

This is generally how I work as well

BUT there's a huge difference between townread hunting and buddying. Some of your comments (such as "So do you agree with me that ETL is obvtown" for one) don't seem like your townread hunting, but that your trying and failing at buddying.

You aren't going to vote yourself, so you are hardly the person I have to convince.

No but you have to convince me (and the rest of the town I guess)

Put it this way - I don't give a shit that he voted me, so you better convince me that that vote was a scummy thing. Or that he's doing other scummy things.

PEDIT: Now that I've read the rest of your posts, you're bullshitting. Give us something concrete about TIP, or I'll vote you (dundundun)
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FWIW TiP's reactions to TPR's "case" is townie.

The thing that worries me about the bolded is that you say your vote will be "right". Not "on scum".

Stop grasping for straws. If you think ETL is scum, say so.

UNVOTE:

This game gets too close to L-1 for me to still be throwaway voting.

That said, I agree with the notion that pit's rationale for his sangres vote is empty as fuck.

[Bulbazak]

UNVOTE:

It better not be hammer TiP. I will kill you tomorrow if it is.

We are barely 3 days into D1 and you're trying to hammer? WTF kind of anti-town, discussion stopping shit is this? I haven't even gotten home and had a chance to talk more in-depth with TPR or sangres.

NOT. COOL.

That was L-2.

Party pooper. With that, I have solid townreads on TIP and ETL.

[BBmolla]

Votecount 1.04

pitoli - 2 - Bulbazak, sangres
The Purple Rose - 2 - F-16_Fighting_Falcon, TheIrishPope
TheIrishPope - 1 - The Purple Rose
sangres - 1 - pitoli

Not Voting: Derivan, EspeciallyTheLies, Lastsurvivor

Deadline: (expired on 2013-11-12 09:33:00)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Replacing Derivan

[TheIrishPope]

Purple Rose, we're waitiiiiing

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Thank god Derivan is being replaced.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

This is generally how I work as well

BUT there's a huge difference between townread hunting and buddying. Some of your comments (such as "So do you agree with me that ETL is obvtown" for one) don't seem like your townread hunting, but that your trying and failing at buddying.

I was trying to understand Sangres's thought process there, not buddy to ETL. Sangres are definitely sharp enough to see what I see regarding ETL and their questions somewhat pinged. It was as if they weren't seeing what was obvious to me so I pushed them on it. I already knew that saying ETL was obvtown wasn't going to win me any favors with her - that was not the point of my observation but rather to push Sangres to give their opinion.

I don't just "townread-hunt," I spend plenty of time explaining my townreads in depth and convincing other players that they are town (if they aren't convinced).

The fact that I wrote a wall to explain my ETL-townread should at least tell you that I am not bullshitting reads. I am analyzing of posts to dig into the player's motivation.

That said, I agree with the notion that pit's rationale for his sangres vote is empty as fuck.

I think her tone and demeanor in reaction to the Sangres vote makes her town though. Do you think her reaction is scummy?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I don't think pit or her reaction was scummy.

I did much prefer your explanation F-16 and wish you'd done that to begin with.

[Lastsurvivor]

I think her tone and demeanor in reaction to the Sangres vote makes her town though. Do you think her reaction is scummy?

Her reaction to Sangres' initial vote? Kinda, yeah. I think the fact that she responded to Sangres' vote with a weak unfounded vote is scummy.

There's nothing about her later interactions with sangres that screams town.

In general she looks like she's more concerned about self preservation than actually scumhunting, but I acknowledge that that's a null tell. To sum it up I'm not sure if she's scum, but she's definitely not in my townie pile.

[TheIrishPope]

What are y'all talking about
It's not even page 10
Chill

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

ETL, I guess I should have been more forthcoming. It was partly intuitive and it took time for me to figure out how to put it in words.

What do you think of Sangres? I am underwhelmed by ffery's contribution so far and feel that if town, she would take charge and lead the game (somewhat like what you are doing). Even if she hasn't discussed things with Nacho, I still think that she would take a stronger stand on the game.