Dr Who: The Last Great Time War GAME OVER!!

[Titus]

Wow. What a misrep. I listened and responded to all the arguments. I was wrong on Oversoul. He convinced me he was town at the end because he started doing shit. That's probably why he died.

[Candillan]

Really? It might have been the fact that you were also tunneling on me, but I saw him as being pretty town from the outset.
Also, you've been misrepping me all game, and you still haven't answered the question as to why I didn't kill you if I'm scum.

[jasonT1981]

Day 8 Vote Count 5

Candillan 1 - Titus
Shiidaji 1 - DrippingGoofball
TiphaineDeath 1 - Candillan
Titus 1 - TiphaineDeath

Not Voting

Shiidaji

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

(expired on 2013-11-13 20:10:00)

till Day 8 Deadline

[Titus]

Really? It might have been the fact that you were also tunneling on me, but I saw him as being pretty town from the outset.
Also, you've been misrepping me all game, and you still haven't answered the question as to why I didn't kill you if I'm scum.

I've ANSWERED THAT LIKE TEN TIMES.

I have told you I lived because I was marginalized. I still am.

[DrippingGoofball]

I have told you I lived because I was marginalized. I still am.

That's not true. You've been a giant universal town read for much of the game.

[Titus]

Have we been reading the same game?

[DrippingGoofball]

Yes. Except you probably see the smattering of Titus votes as a much bigger deal than, say, anyone else.

[Titus]

I tend to view it as a big deal when people vote me. SJ saying I'm scum the entire time and no real defense suggests I'm not a universal town read.

[DrippingGoofball]

Vote: Titus

Your move, Titus.

Unvote, Vote The Rufflig

Hrm.

OH so scary, he voted you for a period of FIVE WHOLE HOURS!!!

[Titus]

Titus, You know people can have wrong reads, right? Like... not everyone who called Vi town is scum.

I thought Vi was town as fuck. Am I scum?

don't bother reading titus, he is just full of shit.

Titus bothers me. She's being pretty noncommittal on more than one front. She specifically called me out in 2075 which was like her sixth post after replacing in and has had fuck-all to say about me since then, except " Rift Adrift - Active enough. Town for now." in her 2556 reads list. I've initiated every interaction we've had since that 2075 post.

That's irritating. Thoughts on Titus gnoring the whole peregrineV wagon like the plague/titus in general?

Titus might still be scum, but I don't think that this problem afflicts her in general.

Scum titus:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29212

Selected posts in the early game suggesting I was not a universal town read.

[TiphaineDeath]

yep, def scum.

[Candillan]

Yes but I totally would have killed you if I was scum, no doubt about it. I wouldn't want a definite vote on me in LyLo. It would just be unwise play to keep you alive.

[Titus]

VOTE: unvote

I am being practical here. People aren't going to lynch you. I still think your scum. Why is TD redscum over DGB?

It seems practically the best to look inside the goons for both to find the scums if you don't believe a red gf is likely. Thus, DGB is more suspicious in a tie breaker.

[Candillan]

DGB refused to hammer me outright. I don't see why any scum would want to do that.

[Titus]

When? If you're talking today, scum is hurt by lynching opposing scum.

Assume arguendo that we lynch scum. The other scum is hurt by this.

We have a 3 v 1 v 1. Town lynches a scum. 3 v 1. Scum must live through another lynch.


Assume arguendo we lynch town. The other scum benefits if they know who the other scum is.

We have a 3 v 1 v 1. Lynching town means 2 v 1 v 1. Scums try to shoot each other. If both hit town, it's a draw. If both hit each other, town wins. If one scum hits town, and the other knocks out town. The scum that hit scum wins.

Therefore, scum knowing who the last scum is will avoid lynching that player to shoot them at night instead.

[DrippingGoofball]

Usually you are right. However in this istance, lynching one scum means he final scum is in a 2 v 1.

A town lynch means the high likihood of 1 v 1 v 1, which is more beneficial to the scums.

Actually you're wrong.

We're 5 players.

We lynch scum correctly

:
one NK. Tomorrow we're

2 townies v 1 scum, whichever one we didn't kill the previous day.

We mislynch

:
Go into night 2 townies, 1 SK, 1 mafia.
> No x-kill: two dead townies, 1 SK v 1 mafia , assuming BP-SK, that means

auto-win for the SK.

> 1 X-kill, SK successful targeting mafia, mafia targets townie: (1 dead mafia) 1 townie v 1 SK endgame,

auto-win for the SK.

> 1 X-kill, mafia successful targeting SK, but fails assuming BP-SK, SK kills townie: 1 townie v 1 SK v 1 mafia endgame

66% chance of mafia+SK win?

.
> 2 X-kill, mafia successful targeting SK, but fails assuming BP-SK, SK kills mafia:

2 townies v 1 SK

UNLIKELY SCENARIOS:
> 2 X-kill, both work:

2 townies, town auto-win

> 1 X-kill, mafia successful targeting SK, SK dies, SK kills townie:

2 townie vs 1 mafia endgame

[DrippingGoofball]

If you're talking today, scum is hurt by lynching opposing scum.

In fact, Mafia is hot to lynch the SK, not town.
SK is better off lynching town.

Mafia & SK are working at cross-purposes. However, at this point it looks like no one knows anyone's alignment but their own.

One thing is very apparent though, Titus is SK-hunting. Titus thinks Candillan is SK and tried very hard to "catch" Candillan in a trap. Then voted him anyway.

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTE: unvote

I am being practical here. People aren't going to lynch you. I still think your scum. Why is TD redscum over DGB?

It seems practically the best to look inside the goons for both to find the scums if you don't believe a red gf is likely. Thus, DGB is more suspicious in a tie breaker.

So let me get this straight.

You're negotiating to reach a lynch, any lynch, with a player you think is the SK?

[DrippingGoofball]

Titus, You know people can have wrong reads, right? Like... not everyone who called Vi town is scum.

I thought Vi was town as fuck. Am I scum?

don't bother reading titus, he is just full of shit.

Titus bothers me. She's being pretty noncommittal on more than one front. She specifically called me out in 2075 which was like her sixth post after replacing in and has had fuck-all to say about me since then, except " Rift Adrift - Active enough. Town for now." in her 2556 reads list. I've initiated every interaction we've had since that 2075 post.

That's irritating. Thoughts on Titus gnoring the whole peregrineV wagon like the plague/titus in general?

Titus might still be scum, but I don't think that this problem afflicts her in general.

Scum titus:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29212

Selected posts in the early game suggesting I was not a universal town read.

This is nothing in a 200 page game.

[Titus]

I am not bargaining. I am asking for evidence and discussing who is scum and who isn't. You know scumhunting. You seem rather content to just yell Titus is scum over and over again. I'm actually trying to proceed assuming all players are sane, rational and looking for scum.

Your scenario as so many levels DGB. First, the SK quite possibly was hit with a shot. If that's the case, my scenario holds. The scums don't want to lynch either other but are suffering from the same lack of information town does.

[DrippingGoofball]

I am asking for evidence and discussing who is scum and who isn't.

From scum. You're "asking for evidence and discussing who is scum and who isn't" from scum.

Am I right?

[DrippingGoofball]

First, the SK quite possibly was hit with a shot.

When and where?

[Titus]

I'm keeping an open mind. Besides, even if Candillian is the Sk (which I still believe), then she still must hunt the red scum. Thus, he is still useful.

Whatever night IAI said the SK was hit.

[DrippingGoofball]

Whatever night IAI said the SK was hit.

That's impossible because then IAI would have wanted to take down Candillan, not DV.

[DrippingGoofball]

even if Candillian is the Sk (which I still believe), then she still must hunt the red scum. Thus, he is still useful.

No he wouldn't care because he'd presumably be BP and would win a firefight in the dark.

The red scum wants the SK dead very badly though, for the above reason.