A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Titus]

Benmage, how about actually saying something productive?

You mean voting the active lurker?

I think I'm the only one doing something productive.

? Really. What do you think is the single most important event so far aside from lynching Spyrex? Or replacements?

[SafetyDance]

VOTE: safetydance

Lol.
>explain for you again for umpteenth time
>still get voted

Are you reading what is currently happening? The point is for SD to answer what he did. In addition to trying to answer for him, you've thrown a question in there drippping with placating tone.

I have answered. Several times. The only problem is people like you who are close-minded and don't want to read, don't want to listen, and far happier painting your own story and version of events. Or just conform to the current faux-anger like Tammy n Shadoweh which is all the rage atm.

Lynch me then, prove me right and everyone of you wrong for your shitty claims against me. Not once have I lied, not once has my story changed despite your best assertions. I suppose this is happening now because it is an easy lunch when the group stops thinking (or hasn't started). You (collective you) got what you wanted now anyway, with me having used up everything, with "proof" that nothing came of. All rather planned. Irony is I'm the only one who has fully claimed and been transparent in their actions, whilst most of you have sat on your hands despite the likely that everyone has some form of abilities one way or the other. Fucking hypocrites.

Well whatever, consider an ITYS in the flip. Tierce probably says it best too:

This is as much clarification as we need. Roleblocked Nautilius, tracked quadz,

has no idea what he's doing otherwise,

and is collecting a pile of opportunistic votes hiding behind :justice:. The sad part is that some are bound to come from Town.

And still 20 players to go. Joy.

...if I thought he was scum, I'd be voting him. My "suggestive" wording is hardly hazy.

[kanyeknowsbest]

the problem is that you changed from a track to a roleblock on naucho n2. you have displayed that you know what a ninja is, so your comment does not make any sense unless you were originally saying that you had tracked naucho.

[ooba]

No more votes on SD please. He's already at L-2 (and he's most prob town)

@SD: I know you've already claimed
Fruit to Messiah on N1
Snare\Block on Naut on N2
Track on Quadz on N3

The problem with your claim is this statement you made on D3:

Unless Nautilius is a ninja, they didn't kill last night.

This is contradictory - Since you used a Block on Naut, he wouldn't have been able to kill anyone even if he was a Ninja.

A Ninja is a role or role modifier such that the Ninja will never be seen as targeting anyone by a Tracker, Watcher, or other investigative role along these lines.

Please clear this up so that we can go back to lynching scum.

[SafetyDance]

Btw This is lucid dreamer the game I was in with Nat where I made "the table". This is the game mechanic:

Game Setup

There are two factions in this game:

Lucid Dreamers

and

Nightmares

.

Nightmares

are scum.

Dreamers

are town.

Each Night, every player will send in a list of three possible "dreams", which will take place of night actions.

To prevent game-breaking, the following restrictions are in effect:

• After you send in the dreams, I will comment on each one (with regards to whether or not I accept it and any other notes about that dream), and send it back to you.
  
• You will then choose which one you prefer to implement.
  
• Dreams must be in "dream format", which means "
  I become a dayvig
  " is not allowed. However, "
  I dream that when I wake up, I will have a gun
  " is allowed.
  
• All dreams will be subject to my interpretation. For example, the gun in the last dream probably won't be a killing gun; it would probably just be a paintball gun that causes the target to only post in a certain color. Or maybe the gun
  would
  shoot a bullet and it would force the target to dream of being healed the next night (aka an effective roleblock).

In addition to the above, the following mechanics are in effect:

• The game is a Night start.
  
• The Nightmares will have a factional nightkill (except on Night 0).
  
• No dreams will be allowed that will cause any player to not enjoy the game.
  
• No dreams are allowed to kill another player
  - only the Nightmares' factional kill can directly cause a death during the night.
  
• No dreams will be allowed that will cause the mod to lie about anything (a.k.a. Vote Counts and flips are guaranteed to be correct).
  
• The goal of this game is to enjoy it - the more interesting/creative your dream is, the more powerful I may allow it to be.

Clarifications added after the game has started:

• You may reuse dreams subsequent nights.

Spoiler: List of Role PMs

You are a

Dreamer

! You have enjoyed experiencing the world of dreaming and letting your desires roam free. However, someone has started messing with your dreams and you haven't been able to completely control your own dreams recently. With the help of some fellow Dreamers, you have decided to try to take back control of your own dreams by rooting out the Nightmares in the land of the living!

During the Night, you are able to dream about something, and it just may come true! Each Night, send me a list of three actions in "dream format" (as if you were dreaming about the action). I will respond to each of your actions, and after that, you will choose which one you would like to use. Please note all of the mechanics of the dreams listed in the game setup post on the game thread.

You win when all of the Nightmares have been eliminated and at least one Dreamer is left alive.

Please confirm your participation by choosing and sending in your first list of dreams for Night 0.

You are a

Nightmare

! You have enjoyed experiencing the world of dreaming and letting your desires roam free. However, your desires are a little dark and need to feed on the Dreamers' desires. With the help of your fellow Nightmares, you have decided to take down the Dreamers and let your Nightmares roam free!

During the Night, you are able to dream about something, and it just may come true! Each Night, send me a list of three actions in "dream format" (as if you were dreaming about the action). I will respond to each of your actions, and after that, you will choose which one you would like to use. Please note all of the mechanics of the dreams listed in the game setup post on the game thread.

Additionally, as a Nightmare, you may communicate with your fellow Nightmares at night here. The Nightmares have a factional nightkill that

cannot

be used during Night 0.

You win when the Nightmares equal or outnumber the Dreamers and at least one Nightmare is left alive.

Please confirm your participation by choosing and sending in your first list of dreams for Night 0.

So no known pr roles, everything purely up to the mod's interpretation. Incidentally Nat was endgamed in mylo. So if we're using that game as standard meta then this level of incompetency is standard town game.

[SafetyDance]

the problem is that you changed from a track to a roleblock on naucho n2. you have displayed that you know what a ninja is, so your comment does not make any sense unless you were originally saying that you had tracked naucho.

I did not change. Your argument falls to pieces there.

Please clear this up so that we can go back to lynching scum.

Whether I got ninja or strongman mixed up in the initial post is irrelevant to what I used N2 and what I claimed I used. It has never changed.

[ooba]

Please clear this up so that we can go back to lynching scum.

Whether I got ninja or strongman mixed up in the initial post is irrelevant to what I used N2 and what I claimed I used. It has never changed.

I think people just want you to admit you got ninja and strongman mixed up in that line.

And if you want to see why people are voting you, "Unless Nautilius is a ninja, they didn't kill last night." is the only line about what you did on N2 on D3. (and think your Quadz result on D4 was a slip)

[kanyeknowsbest]

unvote vote titus

[Titus]

Kanye, you're agreeing with me that SD is being confusing and then voting me. What the hell?

SD, use plain language. I gave you a form. It will be crystal clear if you do that.

[Alfred Borden]

I'm about to head out to a weekend of Halloween party celebrations but I'm tired of awkwardly waiting for Safety to clarify his Night action and the dude's at L-2 by my count. I really don't think that dude is scum. He's obstinate, annoying, and uncooperative but the dude is just not mafia. I'm on my phone right now so I can't link stuff but just imagine that I linked to that nice, big meta analysis of him I did D1 that shows he plays exactly like this as town. I'll be back to regularly scheduled wallposting soon.

[Tammy]

PLAY THE GODDAMN FUCKING GAME IF YOU'RE TOWN.

FFS.

You know what SD I read that Lucid Dreamers game. Not only did you want to lynch Ckflip for not playing, you also said that Mutley's continued not doing anything in that game should not be rewarded with you all letting him live. And then. AND THEN when ckflip wasn't clear in his answers to you, you went after him for not being clear about his actions.

So, take you sanctimonious bullshit and play the goddamn game or hang.

For Fuck Sakes, you know how to play and yet you're acting like the most puerile Vi this game and I'm just literally fucking sick and tired of every single time you post when it's not actually doing anything in this game. Also, also, you claim to have little time to do anything here, but you sure are managing plenty of time to play another game.

I can't believe people policy lynched thor over this lurksack day one. I hate you all.

[Tammy]

I'm about to head out to a weekend of Halloween party celebrations but I'm tired of awkwardly waiting for Safety to clarify his Night action and the dude's at L-2 by my count. I really don't think that dude is scum. He's obstinate, annoying, and uncooperative but the dude is just not mafia. I'm on my phone right now so I can't link stuff but just imagine that I linked to that nice, big meta analysis of him I did D1 that shows he plays exactly like this as town. I'll be back to regularly scheduled wallposting soon.

What about the games in which he actually plays the game. Read Lucid Dreamers. Read his current activity. Then look at what he's doing here and tell me that's what his town game looks like.

[Tammy]

Also, who the fuck is scum borempire, less defending the people who aren't playing and policy lynching the ones who are and more trying to figure out who the scum are.

[Titus]

This is why I hate meta.

[quadz08]

Mad high-fives for Righteous Justice Tammy

[Titus]

Mad buddying from quadz.

[quadz08]

ASK ME THE QUESTIONS, BRIDGEKEEPER, I AM NOT AFRAID

I will buddy people who do things that are town and accurate and filled with the Righteous Justice Passion all goddamn day long

[The Alchemist]

I can't believe people policy lynched thor over this lurksack day one. I hate you all.

[ooba]

Still waiting on Naut/Tammy before I reveal why I'm asking.

elle, now would be a good time to reveal what this was about before the entire day gets sidetracked.

[AGar]

Whether I got ninja or strongman mixed up in the initial post is irrelevant to what I used N2 and what I claimed I used. It has never changed.

No, it clearly has.

Well that was unnecessarily hostile.

You confused Ninja with Strongman, your brilliance.

Pfft. More than happy to volley snarky bs back with interest.

Ninja's avoid detection, which is how Naut would avoid being detected doing anything night 2.

*sigh* basic mafia theory, man. You out tracks if they give you pseudo-guilties, not pseudo-innocents, unless another claim contradicts your results or it's fullclaim time.

Curious to see how he responds to Garruk's question.

I love how everyone's a hindsight expert and no one said boo D3.

I don't need to respond to GR, since he's being stupid because there's no confusion or contradiction.

Yesterday was Day 3. Today is Day 4.

Therefore day 3 IS yesterday and yesterday was when I claimed to have blocked Naut D2.

Can't have visited Naut and Quadz on the same night, they would be kinda impossible.

This is all I really need to point out, we need to lynch him ASAP.

[AGar]

The emphasis in the second quote is mine, btw.

[ooba]

This is all I really need to point out, we need to lynch him

ASAP

.

Now, now - let's not be hasty and end the day too early.

While I don't subscribe to the "artificially lengthen day's discussion because we still have a lot of time" theory, I'm really curious as to what elle has to say. Let that mystery play out before the day ends.

[Benmage]

Benmage, how about actually saying something productive?

You mean voting the active lurker?

I think I'm the only one doing something productive.

? Really. What do you think is the single most important event so far aside from lynching Spyrex? Or replacements?

I don't know.

What do you think?

[Titus]

I put the emphasis on where the pieces are in the puzzle. So I ask that question to get a feel for how people are positioned in the game. What people view as important tends to either a) dictate their alignment or b) give me a good starting viewpoint to read from when I come in. I cannot even tell who the town leader is right now, so the pieces aren't all that clear. I'd guess that would be Tammy or Tierce but I don't know. There isn't really a "right" or "wrong" answer, just helpful or unhelpful.

[Benmage]

How did you go from

single most important event

.... to town leader?

Whats the

single most important event

you've read thus far?