Dr Who: The Last Great Time War GAME OVER!!

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #5700 (ISO) » Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:41 pm

So far I've got you asking the player who you think is SK to collaborate with you on a lynch. So your top priority is killing the SK, but failing this, you seem to have calculated that it's in the scum's best interest to mislynch, and you're trying to get Candillan to wagon a townie with you. From your perspective.

I've got you making BS-accusations against me.

I've got you SK-hunting like there is, literally, no tomorrow.

I've got you explaining your continued survival as a near-universal town read with a few fleeting bits of suspicion in a page that's close to 230 page.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #5701 (ISO) » Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:42 pm

The only reason I'm not voting you yet is because I want to see more of the lurkaderps, they need to be rattled.

Titus · Post Post #5702 (ISO) » Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:47 pm

NO NO NO. I'm not asking Candillian to collaborate with me on a lynch.

I'm trying to use everyone's information to verify I am going after the right people. Why the hell are you so intent on misrepping me?

I WAS NOT A NEAR UNIVERSAL TOWN READ. I HAVE HAD ZERO INFLUENCE THIS ENTIRE GAME. HELL EVEN CLAIMING TO HAVE A GUILTY GOT ZERO REACTIONS. I LIVED BECAUSE I CANNOT PERSUADE ANYONE OF ANYTHING RIGHT NOW.

I am going to go to bed now to prevent from just ranting the fuck out of everyone here.

None of my accusations have been bullshit. Frankly, you're conftown because of forgetting the game isn't verifiable, is stupid, and useless if you're groupscum.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #5703 (ISO) » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:49 am

In post 5702, Titus wrote:I'm not asking Candillian to collaborate with me on a lynch.

Yes you are. You keep asking him to "bring you better suspects" and you're asking him why TD redscum over me? You're trying to coordinate a lynch with the player you believe is SK. Believe me, I've been there in Gay Mafia II. That part where you're scum and you know it'll be hard to sway the town with BS, but you feel the opposing scum team member may be more than happy to go along with it.

The SK you're trying so hard to lynch today doesn't care who he's lynching. He'll lynch anyone. He's got the upper hand against mafia tonight.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #5704 (ISO) » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:56 am

In post 5702, Titus wrote:Frankly, you're conftown because of forgetting the game isn't verifiable, is stupid, and useless if you're groupscum.

OK. It is verifiable. Just go and verify it. It's pretty obvious that I did forget the game, which never happens unless I'm in Iceland. Are you suggesting I faked this? I cannot possibly be red scum. I'd have a QT subscription and get tons of reminders of the game that way.

Now I could be SK.

FOR SOME STRANGE REASON you are not even considering me being SK. I'm red-scum, all the time.

I have ZERO chance of red scum. SK - I reckon isn't out of the question.

It's as if you are red scum yourself, and have me as your fall guy because I'm uncleared, unlike TD & Shiidaji. Today you want to kill the SK who you believe is Candillan, and you want to NK one of TD or Shiidaji, to leave yourself, me as the red scum fall guy, and a cleared red scum. So it's very important for you to repeatedly paint me as red scum and discredit my conf-towness. You should have NK'd me earlier. Your bad.

Titus · Post Post #5705 (ISO) » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:11 am

I am not as focused on you being the sk because Candi is probably the SK and IAIs gambit points towards you being redscum.

If I am right though, town's fucked anyway due to Shii not posting and TD not givinf a fuck.

Titus · Post Post #5706 (ISO) » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:14 am

I am taking a strategic vla from this game in a hailmary that Shii shows up or he mod replaces him.

DBG is just tunnelling and accusing me of the same when I try to have rational conversation. Town is fucked.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #5707 (ISO) » Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:49 am

In post 5706, Titus wrote:DBG is just tunnelling

Am I tunneling? I'm not even voting anyone. I'm also waiting on Shii & TD. I'm not making a move until I've examined them thoroughly.

Candillan · Post Post #5708 (ISO) » Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:15 am

In post 5700, DrippingGoofball wrote:So far I've got you asking the player who you think is SK to collaborate with you on a lynch. So your top priority is killing the SK, but failing this, you seem to have calculated that it's in the scum's best interest to mislynch, and you're trying to get Candillan to wagon a townie with you. From your perspective.

I've got you making BS-accusations against me.

I've got you SK-hunting like there is, literally, no tomorrow.

I've got you explaining your continued survival as a near-universal town read with a few fleeting bits of suspicion in a page that's close to 230 page.

I really really like this post.

jasonT1981 · Post Post #5709 (ISO) » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:53 am

Shiidaji has failed to pick up prod... Blagh, I will look for replacement but if he returns before one is found thats great.

Shiidaji · Post Post #5710 (ISO) » Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:59 pm

i feel really fucking guilty right now i don't have time for this game but I don't want the weight of someone replacing in on a 230 page game egfbgngmbn fuck

a sleepless night for me let's go

TiphaineDeath · Post Post #5711 (ISO) » Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:31 pm

dgb is town.

Shiidaji · Post Post #5712 (ISO) » Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:55 pm

I'm read up get me in the flow over the next day.

Where I stand:

Candillan: My original pocket SK read, I'm going to seriously need to think about how you would play SK because this is the read I'm teetering on the most right now. Why? My notes so far color you SK because of the kills, but I haven't actually considering framing, which is foolish of me. I'm going to go back and review the Muttley kill because that one stands out the most to me now - Why did muttley die? He was a tiny town personality with very little charisma and sway - afaik all the other kills besides dram's made sense from a utilitarian SK point of view - one that killed strong players/PR-possible players. Muttley was a pretty damn obvious VT faking it, so either:
A) The SK is stupid and believed it, thinking he's a watcher
B) The SK wanted to remove a threat to him
C) The SK wanted to set up a frame target for later
Considering the SK shot displaced correctly, I don't think A is very likely, and upon review I'm going to check wether or not C is the most likely reason for the kill, since if it is, I'm willing to let go of my Candi suspicion. What really stuck out to me as an SKtell now seems too obvious - would SKCandi really kill muttley? SKs require a few people suspecting them so they're not on the top of the food chain for the other scum to nab at them at night. By extension if C is the likely reason for the kill then the setting up SK likely wanted to save him for the endgame as a lynch target. As for red scum, if candi's the last one, I'll seriously be surprised, even after this huge blank in the game i remember feeling him being a very strong not-red presence.

Titus: The flipside of Candi, I seriously didn't think he's redscum, and still don't. When it comes to being the SK though the last few pages wrenched my gut during the Candi-Titus dialogue. For starters, I don't think CandiSK would have gone for option A whereas Titus would be more likely - and C obviously would only make sense if Candi wasn't the SK. There's more to it but I don't have time right now.

TD: It's pathetic how I barely remember this much about a slot this far into a large theme. The same SK-kill list i utilized to support my suspicion of Candi places TD at the top of the not-likely-SK category, I didn't think he'd be a likely target for it. In my final readthrough i may rectify this but as of right now I still don't think he's SK.
As for red scum, I saw him as the go-to in the event that DGB's slot didn't flip red. That now depends on vvvvvv

DGB: My opinion of her reflected one Titus mentioned at some point in the last ten pages, i saw her as the most likely red scum with a decent chance of actually being the SK too. Coming back in with a fresh mind I'm going to read through the IaI-DGB connection to see wether or not I still think of her this way, it could have been conformational bias, I kind of... want DGB to be scum in a way. (I don't like you! Maybe it's the constant conftown-rhetoric idk it's just not endearing at all and I'm still kind of pissed after how Artemis Fowl Mafia ended) I really don't want to make the wrong decision and lose to TD-redscum/SK-oneoftheothertwo in the event that my push on DGB becomes unreasonably personal. I like her most recent points, much more over the very apathetic-looking TD posts, so that's a start. Give me some time.

God that feels so good ^__^

Shiidaji · Post Post #5713 (ISO) » Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:05 pm

In post 5688, Candillan wrote:DGB refused to hammer me outright. I don't see why any scum would want to do that.

Explain.

Titus · Post Post #5714 (ISO) » Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:30 am

Shii scratch option A. No one in the game is stupid. Any reasoning that requires a stupid player is bad. One can fake dumb or be ignorant but relying on a stupid player is bad.

Part of me says NL may be the right action. If one of the scums shoots the other, we have a 2 v 1 scenario, the same if we lynch right. If they both shoot each other we win. If they both shoot town, then its a prisoners dillemma. Agree?

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #5715 (ISO) » Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:37 am

In post 5714, Titus wrote:If they both shoot each other we win.

No, the SK is BP.

Titus · Post Post #5716 (ISO) » Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:39 pm

And how do you know that?

Even if the SK is BP, what's to say IAI wasn't telling the truth that one of the red kills didn't go through because of the bp being used up. There were plenty of nights where someone didn't get a kill in.

TiphaineDeath · Post Post #5717 (ISO) » Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:59 am

BPSK?

Shiidaji · Post Post #5718 (ISO) » Sat Nov 02, 2013 7:29 am

TD, do something akin to my second-to-last post on everyone so I can see where your head is at, you haven't considered anything but titus-candi so far and haven't even expressed suspicion of me despite my inactivity. Doing one of the SK/red readthroughs tonight if I'm lucky.

Titus · Post Post #5719 (ISO) » Sat Nov 02, 2013 2:11 pm

In post 5718, Shiidaji wrote:TD, do something akin to my second-to-last post on everyone so I can see where your head is at, you haven't considered anything but titus-candi so far and haven't even expressed suspicion of me despite my inactivity. Doing one of the SK/red readthroughs tonight if I'm lucky.

I think everyone should do this.

Shii, would you also post what you think the optimal strategies are here in assumng a 3 v 1 v 1.

Candillan · Post Post #5720 (ISO) » Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:43 am

Prod dodge!
I'll get to this tonight.

TiphaineDeath · Post Post #5721 (ISO) » Sun Nov 03, 2013 6:40 am

Y head? Mostly it is elsewhere.

jasonT1981 · Post Post #5722 (ISO) » Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:37 am

Day 8 Vote Count 6

Shiidaji 1 - DrippingGoofball
TiphaineDeath 1 - Candillan
Titus 1 - TiphaineDeath

Not Voting

Titus
Shiidaji

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

(expired on 2013-11-13 20:10:00)

till Day 8 Deadline

Titus · Post Post #5723 (ISO) » Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:40 am

I hate all three of the current trains. Unless someone gives a good case, I am not voting and forcing the scums into a prisoner's dillema.

Shiidaji · Post Post #5724 (ISO) » Sun Nov 03, 2013 5:48 pm

Didn't have time this night.

In post 5719, Titus wrote:
In post 5718, Shiidaji wrote:TD, do something akin to my second-to-last post on everyone so I can see where your head is at, you haven't considered anything but titus-candi so far and haven't even expressed suspicion of me despite my inactivity. Doing one of the SK/red readthroughs tonight if I'm lucky.
I think everyone should do this.

Shii, would you also post what you think the optimal strategies are here in assumng a 3 v 1 v 1.

That'd depend on wether the SK is BP or not, and while i'm not as sure as DGB is of that I don't want to risk it with the No-Lynch plan. I think I'm going to focus on finding the other two townies are after my readthroughs. You?