I like the questioning. But, I feel like sometimes (and way more often than I'd expect from a town player) his line of questioning indicates his PoV - the place he's approaching the game from - isn't town.In post 2356, ProHawk wrote:Leans town because he is genuinely questioning things he believes to be true, he is trying to sort and figure things out.
Scum because I didn't like his exchange with me at the end of the day.
And I was supposed to know that at the time?In post 2307, Lord Mhork wrote:Well I'm sorry things came up. Clearly me being scum is the logical conclusion. >.>
Only if you put too much emphasis on looking at the graphs as your sole means of getting anywhere. As far as I can tell most of us are using the tables as a means of ordering who did what, though of course we'll be quick to talk about any inconsistencies that're found.In post 2313, Ghostlin wrote:) It turns a game that should be scum hunting and clever seizing of goods into a clusterfuck of graphs, charts and trying to determine what numbers mean instead of what behavior does.
(Partially directed at GP as well) It's still a plan that, based on what we know about the mechanics of this game, seems to work best.In post 2325, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:Magua's seen what town did last game and made a no hanky panky rule
I honestly don't get what that was going to change.In post 2328, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:I removed DP's votes. idk if it's useful - nothing changes really
Why?In post 2345, pieguyn wrote:speaking of countermeasures, if anyone gets the NK they shouldn't claim it
I don't think obvtowning is something that you active do or have to do, but rather something that happens in your posts. People calling themselves town or spending time getting other people to think they're town at least are people to be leery of.In post 2349, pieguyn wrote:the definition of obvtowning is that it's impossible for scum to actually pull off and have everyone agree on it
ima just quote UD here.In post 2357, 1baldeagle1 wrote:*pointless VCA*
All you've done is taken the VCAs and focused solely on how they relate to my read on you to only pat yourself on the back. You've done almost nothing here to assess why I've voted the way I have (at least in regards to things that don't agree with your "Voided is scum" mentality), nor really dug deep into actually explaining why you believe the things you've said or why they even apply.In post 2362, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:This is incredibly pointless. Your conclusion is whatever you wanted it to be before you started.
Because you said you liked pie's catchup post (and apparantly really like his reads and his vote, or something like that). I probably should've pushed you on the issue, but what did you actually like about it, anyways?In post 2359, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:how did I get a townread on you again?
...That is possible. But then I feel like it starts bringing in almost undue doubts about the plan (or rather, about who we were supposed to give money to) that delve too much into the WIFOM of if scum-Morph put more of his partners (or scum in general) in the bloc or not, which doesn't sounds like an avenue to be traveled until there is a flip on Morph.In post 2365, zMuffinMan wrote:i feel a lot of the reason they were put in the BIG SIX was because they suggested THE PLAN. *shrug*
Reads from a dead conf town doesn't happen very often, no?
I sent her $140 on Night 2.In post 2378, Lord Mhork wrote:Tammy has her own criticisms to the plan. She thinks that even weak town reads should not be throwing their money at the Big Six. Rather we should force scum reads to feel money to the Big Six. She says this mitigates the damage more of scum being in the town bloc. She also thinks there should be a designation of who goes for what.
Also she would like to repeat for pie's sake that she feels the 'let's verify Mhork' thing was super fake. Also she thinks pie is a moron for seriously thinking that confirmed town would try to gambit to get me town cred.
Baldeagle, she wants you to repost how much you sent her.
@Upside (?):
Powerful fighting between hydras with huge walls.
Didn't you say that we should?In post 2385, morph the cat wrote:I thought there was a reason to not be specifying who sent money to whom and how much today? Or did I misunderstand Peregrine?
^^ the bolded.In post 2315, PeregrineV wrote:In post 2312, Ghostlin wrote:On the plan. Here are my (personal) reasons I don't like it. I know PA has some of her own, but these are my damn feelings:
1) I didn't replace in tonotplay the game's mechanics. The plan, in essence, essentially forces that. "But Ghostlin," you may cry, "there's scum hunting to be done besides that, and Town might not win auctions if you don't pass your name to the townie town towns." Yeah, if I wanted to replace into a mountainous,I would of replaced into a fucking mountainous.This reason's personal, and has nothing to do with mechanics or planning. (To be honest, mandatory advertising isn't so bad. That I could live with.)
2) You are essentially asking us to siphon money out of coffers that I know are Town to coffers I do not know are Town. In other words, you are forcing me to give money to people I don't necessarily have faith in to take $100 and change to purchase stuff for my greater good. What's worse, you're making me do it randomly. By Town Wisdom of the Crowds. To people I might not agree with. I want to win this game, so you're essentially taking my personal security and going 'Fuckity whee, who gives a shit about your Town Reads, or if this a player who's play style you agree with, Town's decided, fuck you.'
3) By claiming who routed money where, you are incentivizing scum to use that NK and kill them more. Yes, you may doctor the highest money player, but they can afford to remove second place. Moving the money from 15 smaller banks to 6 bigger banks is horribad, and you should feel bad. It turns the bigger banks into targets--and there's no guarantee they'll keep pace with scum earning power anyhow.
4) "This tactic won MM2." Yeah, and the second you said that, you're sure scum didn't think of ways to not work it? That Magua didn't implement ways not to break this game in the exact same way? This argument is stupid mostly because it involves not only scum but the mod not to be fucktarded about their setups/studying the setup and implementing changes.
5) If you're wrong on one of the six, only ONE of the six, you may have just sent scum huge amounts of money. And while probability argues somewhat normal distribution, it's still a fickle mistress
I don't have a 100% cure, but I even think just moving the remainder of money around frequently would be advantageous if you insist on the Town creating small banks and using it to bid on shit.Amazingly, the plan is only a plan.In post 2313, Ghostlin wrote:I forgot one:
7) It turns a game that should be scum hunting and clever seizing of goods into a clusterfuck of graphs, charts and trying to determine what numbers mean instead of what behavior does.
The object in MM2 was to keep the scummy players poor on the assumption that they were scum. Turns out they were (go Matt!) in that case.
Yes, this plan is different, but the secret is if you don't follow it, but play like town should, then it doesn't matter anyway. Town will still win.
For example, anyone claiming who they sent money to are claiming based on the second random determination they made, since to claim the actual recipient is full on retarded because the scum PM states that they can stop it. Claiming all of the factual amounts and targets 2 days afterwards, after the targets get it, is when the real information gets put in the thread.
With that said, if you decide to send money to another townread, and that is outside the plan, you will then be judged on your reasons, just like for any night action claim in a non-MM game.
In short, look for scum in the thread, and augment that with PR results.
In post 2291, Lost Butterfly wrote:Hey, um, do you realise ellipses are scummy?In post 1876, JacobSavage wrote:Wait - what;
UNVOTE:
Also whats with the 1.5 days compared to 18 hours?
VOTE: DoctorPepper
Trim the Dead wood. (I was going to do a comparative ISO of Voided to DP but then I saw the size difference...)
Do you mean the ellipses? Are you scum?:In post 2292, Lost Butterfly wrote:(Can you please explain why you did that scummy action, thanks)
In post 2294, Lost Butterfly wrote:...Remind me of why I agreed to hydra with Faraday, again.
The same as I would normally feel.In post 2372, Lost Butterfly wrote:Jacob how would you feel about being lynched today?
In post 2374, Lost Butterfly wrote:everyone who was "busy" should post pictures of their halloween costumes to prove they're not lying about rl circumstances imo
In post 188, Lost Butterfly wrote:Magua: I will be v/la for the weekend for the usual family activities (quadz is taking me to niagra falls)
You will also be v/la from tuesday so please note that
Thank you. It very a very important thing to note and hope you left room in your notebook.In post 2382, 1baldeagle1 wrote:Also, Voided and upside down, your discredit has been noted.
Oh, don't worry, there's plenty of room left!In post 2398, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:Thank you. It very a very important thing to note and hope you left room in your notebook.In post 2382, 1baldeagle1 wrote:Also, Voided and upside down, your discredit has been noted.
