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Post Post #1725 (ISO) » Fri Nov 01, 2013 5:56 pm

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In post 1719, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:It has got to be Toog. Seriously, I am town.

Well, at least my meta of Titus was accurate enough to get a proper read on her.
Clear panicky opening. Certain it's the guy at the top of the PoE list as safe.
In post 1720, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Considering the game is still going on, we know that scum have at the most 3 kills. They can't have had 4 because then they would have already won by killing two of us.

So, with 3 kills, how does a 2X cop make any sense? Only with there being a GF. I am still convinced that you are town, BBMolla. The scum are among Toog and Minions but I am not sure who it is.
Buddying to bbmolla. Fearmongering additional kills.
In post 1721, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Having a 2X cop with 3 kills basically means that all three kills are directed by the mod. What is even the point of doing this?
More fearmongering on the kills. Maybe looking to fast vote someone in?
In post 1722, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:The fact that scum didn't kill Minions shows that either 1) Minions is scum, or 2) Scum weren't afraid of Minion's abilities. Both point towards one of Toog/Minions being scum. I lean towards Minons because the decision to investigate Toog didn't come from scum at all. I think it is too much of a co-incidence to investigate the GF. Rather, I believe that the abilities that scum have are the abilities that Minions has been given.

I fully 100% trust that you are town. If you are perceptive enough to realize that I am town as well, we can win the game together.
First kill happened before I claimed. Second happened on imperium who was universally townread and strongly leading the game. And I believe at the time my last investigation wasn't being discus set at aiming at bulba... So my guess is they had as many kills as I had investigations, unless the are saving one til endgame.
Oh and I see further buddying on bbmolla. Nice.
In post 1723, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:I am actually pretty sure it is Minions at this point and Bulbazak is double-bussing. Let's vote toog, have him put up Minions and one of me/Molla.
And within a few posts without anyone else actually contributing anything is he's certain it's me.

Sorry Titus, you had it right all along, it's f16.

PoE actually would suggest bbmolla, but f16s panic tells me differently.
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Post Post #1726 (ISO) » Fri Nov 01, 2013 5:57 pm

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If you're scum you're pretty amazing too

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Post Post #1727 (ISO) » Fri Nov 01, 2013 5:57 pm

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F-16 assume you get daykilled

Who do we lynch to win
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Post Post #1728 (ISO) » Fri Nov 01, 2013 5:59 pm

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I'm happy to be put up. But PoE suggests toog is the voter and that leaves bbmolla to be made HoH
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Post Post #1729 (ISO) » Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:00 pm

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I hope you didn't make a typo in the last post to mean that if I am scum, I am amazing. I really am terribad as scum (read any of my completed scum games on my wiki), but as town, I have good reads (especially good townreads) and am a fairly good scumhunter as well. The only reason I never figured it was likely Minions is because he was role-confirmed.

Pedit: Lynch Minions. Nothing else makes sense. We didn't investigate the scum godfather by accident. NO ONE (not Bulbazak, not any other scum) pushed for Toog to be investigated with any reasonable push. I don't buy that Toog is scum GF. I believe you are town. That leaves Minions.
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Post Post #1730 (ISO) » Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:05 pm

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In post 1728, Minions wrote:I'm happy to be put up. But PoE suggests toog is the voter and that leaves bbmolla to be made HoH
While I am pretty sure both Toog and BBMolla are town, I'd rather Toog be made HoH. I trust BBMolla more in LYLO situations. (I read the Newbie game where Bulbazak came in with a case against him, and he later voted Bulbazak in LYLO as part of meta'ing Bulb and Molla). I am pretty sure on this actually.
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Post Post #1731 (ISO) » Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:09 pm

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Saying I "panicked" is kinda bullshit. Why would I panic as scum when I had 4-5 days to prepare for this? In fact, if I actually had "panicked" it would have been a towntell.
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Post Post #1732 (ISO) » Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:17 pm

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In post 1725, Minions wrote:
In post 1719, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:It has got to be Toog. Seriously, I am town.

Well, at least my meta of Titus was accurate enough to get a proper read on her.
Clear panicky opening. Certain it's the guy at the top of the PoE list as safe.
What is there to panic about as scum? On the other hand, you don't think town would be shocked to see game going on after Titus's lynch and "panic?"
In post 1720, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Considering the game is still going on, we know that scum have at the most 3 kills. They can't have had 4 because then they would have already won by killing two of us.

So, with 3 kills, how does a 2X cop make any sense? Only with there being a GF. I am still convinced that you are town, BBMolla. The scum are among Toog and Minions but I am not sure who it is.
Buddying to bbmolla. Fearmongering additional kills.[/quote]

LOL. I said that there were likely no more kills. How is this "fearmongering?"

"Buddying" is an overrated and complete bullshit scumtell. If I have townreads, I try to work with them. Molla is a solid townread.
In post 1721, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Having a 2X cop with 3 kills basically means that all three kills are directed by the mod. What is even the point of doing this?
More fearmongering on the kills. Maybe looking to fast vote someone in?[/quote]

I said there were likely NO MORE KILLS. Also, a fastvote without discussion basically ENSURES MY EVICTION. What are you on, seriously?
In post 1722, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:The fact that scum didn't kill Minions shows that either 1) Minions is scum, or 2) Scum weren't afraid of Minion's abilities. Both point towards one of Toog/Minions being scum. I lean towards Minons because the decision to investigate Toog didn't come from scum at all. I think it is too much of a co-incidence to investigate the GF. Rather, I believe that the abilities that scum have are the abilities that Minions has been given.

I fully 100% trust that you are town. If you are perceptive enough to realize that I am town as well, we can win the game together.
First kill happened before I claimed. Second happened on imperium who was universally townread and strongly leading the game. And I believe at the time my last investigation wasn't being discus set at aiming at bulba... So my guess is they had as many kills as I had investigations, unless the are saving one til endgame.
Oh and I see further buddying on bbmolla. Nice.
More bullshit mafia theory about how "buddying" is a scumtell.
In post 1723, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:I am actually pretty sure it is Minions at this point and Bulbazak is double-bussing. Let's vote toog, have him put up Minions and one of me/Molla.
And within a few posts without anyone else actually contributing anything is he's certain it's me.

Sorry Titus, you had it right all along, it's f16.

PoE actually would suggest bbmolla, but f16s panic tells me differently.
Setting up BBMolla to be the next mislynch.
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Post Post #1733 (ISO) » Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:51 pm

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Please don't put me in the voting seat, I can't handle it here.

Like if I vote wrong I'm gonna be so sad

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Post Post #1734 (ISO) » Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:51 pm

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I mean with Bulbazak I at least had an inkling he was scum, I had an inkling of Minions being scum but would Voided seriously put a fucking Scum Amnesiac Cop?

Like that's so fucked
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Post Post #1735 (ISO) » Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:52 pm

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F-16 is so fucking convincing. I need Toog here.
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Post Post #1736 (ISO) » Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:22 am

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In post 1729, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:I hope you didn't make a typo in the last post to mean that if I am scum, I am amazing. I really am terribad as scum (read any of my completed scum games on my wiki), but as town, I have good reads (especially good townreads) and am a fairly good scumhunter as well. The only reason I never figured it was likely Minions is because he was role-confirmed.

Pedit: Lynch Minions. Nothing else makes sense. We didn't investigate the scum godfather by accident. NO ONE (not Bulbazak, not any other scum) pushed for Toog to be investigated with any reasonable push. I don't buy that Toog is scum GF. I believe you are town. That leaves Minions.
Nothing else made sense but opened with certainty it was toog.

Also explains own meta to clear himself as scum. Pushed Titus with absolute certainty but now wants to sell me as scum by saying how great his scumhunting is. Qualifies that by sayng how amazing his townreads are while buddying to bbmolla. It's easy to call someone definite town when you are on the scum team.

In post 1730, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
In post 1728, Minions wrote:I'm happy to be put up. But PoE suggests toog is the voter and that leaves bbmolla to be made HoH
While I am pretty sure both Toog and BBMolla are town, I'd rather Toog be made HoH. I trust BBMolla more in LYLO situations. (I read the Newbie game where Bulbazak came in with a case against him, and he later voted Bulbazak in LYLO as part of meta'ing Bulb and Molla). I am pretty sure on this actually.
Since it's him you are trying to buddy to I'm not surprised.
In post 1731, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Saying I "panicked" is kinda bullshit. Why would I panic as scum when I had 4-5 days to prepare for this? In fact, if I actually had "panicked" it would have been a towntell.
You panic because you saw an instant backlash from the Titus flip ad knew we are closing in on you. And trying to turn points I make against you into towntells? Lol
In post 1732, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
In post 1725, Minions wrote:
In post 1719, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:It has got to be Toog. Seriously, I am town.

Well, at least my meta of Titus was accurate enough to get a proper read on her.
Clear panicky opening. Certain it's the guy at the top of the PoE list as safe.
What is there to panic about as scum? On the other hand, you don't think town would be shocked to see game going on after Titus's lynch and "panic?"
In post 1720, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Considering the game is still going on, we know that scum have at the most 3 kills. They can't have had 4 because then they would have already won by killing two of us.

So, with 3 kills, how does a 2X cop make any sense? Only with there being a GF. I am still convinced that you are town, BBMolla. The scum are among Toog and Minions but I am not sure who it is.
Buddying to bbmolla. Fearmongering additional kills.
LOL. I said that there were likely no more kills. How is this "fearmongering?"

"Buddying" is an overrated and complete bullshit scumtell. If I have townreads, I try to work with them. Molla is a solid townread.
In post 1721, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Having a 2X cop with 3 kills basically means that all three kills are directed by the mod. What is even the point of doing this?
More fearmongering on the kills. Maybe looking to fast vote someone in?[/quote]

I said there were likely NO MORE KILLS. Also, a fastvote without discussion basically ENSURES MY EVICTION. What are you on, seriously?
In post 1722, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:The fact that scum didn't kill Minions shows that either 1) Minions is scum, or 2) Scum weren't afraid of Minion's abilities. Both point towards one of Toog/Minions being scum. I lean towards Minons because the decision to investigate Toog didn't come from scum at all. I think it is too much of a co-incidence to investigate the GF. Rather, I believe that the abilities that scum have are the abilities that Minions has been given.

I fully 100% trust that you are town. If you are perceptive enough to realize that I am town as well, we can win the game together.
First kill happened before I claimed. Second happened on imperium who was universally townread and strongly leading the game. And I believe at the time my last investigation wasn't being discus set at aiming at bulba... So my guess is they had as many kills as I had investigations, unless the are saving one til endgame.
Oh and I see further buddying on bbmolla. Nice.
More bullshit mafia theory about how "buddying" is a scumtell.
In post 1723, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:I am actually pretty sure it is Minions at this point and Bulbazak is double-bussing. Let's vote toog, have him put up Minions and one of me/Molla.
And within a few posts without anyone else actually contributing anything is he's certain it's me.

Sorry Titus, you had it right all along, it's f16.

PoE actually would suggest bbmolla, but f16s panic tells me differently.
Setting up BBMolla to be the next mislynch.[/quote]

So much here that stands out. Twice you assert you claimed no more kills while quoting posts from you SPECULATING THREE KILLS. So a lie.
You again assert to discredit points made against you claimin buddying is bullshit, explain how? I just showed you trying to position the guy you are sucking up to as the voter between you and me, and you are claiming scum wouldn't buddy? Ok, keep taking the pills f16.

And as for setting up the next lynch, you were certain toog was scum as we opened, you still keep referring to a godfather role... When I flip town how quickly do we think he will reach out to his new buddy bbmolla to lynch toog who he was 'suspicious of' after all?

The parallels with yesterDay where he was certain it was Titus are here again. Auto clears me and toog who were voting and got the sway in votes needed. Clever.

Want to hear from toog too.
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Post Post #1737 (ISO) » Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:37 am

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I'm going with my earlier theory that Bulba was happy to vote F-16 in as HoH in the hopes that F-16 was going to clear him. I am not lynching Minions... like, ever. So it really comes down to F-16 or molla for me.

I do NOT want to be HoH. I still feel as though the HoH is the only person viable to be forcibly evicted, and I don't want it. If Minions wants to be HoH, that's his prerogative.
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Post Post #1738 (ISO) » Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:40 am

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In post 1737, Toogeloo wrote:So it really comes down to F-16 or molla for me.
EBWOP: with a strong lean towards F-16.

I do recall a few times during the game that I didn't like some of F-16's posts as well. He's been subtlety pushing the scum godfather fear ever since the cop results.
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Post Post #1739 (ISO) » Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:43 am

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I will happily be HoH, forgot there still could be a threat of a third kill only to a HoH nominee, especially with f16 commenting twice on three kills then trying to back away from it straight after.

If I die, toog you need to go up as HoH and then the decision will lie with you. F16 stands out though so if it was bbmolla well done to him.

Bbmolla, do you want to be HoH? If toog doesn't want it I'm certainly not wanting f16 anywhere near it as chief suspect, so that leaves you if you want me up for nomination.
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Post Post #1740 (ISO) » Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:45 am

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The third kill could have been a slip, which suggests that Scum were holding on to it to forcibly evict in LyLo and win the game that way.
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Post Post #1741 (ISO) » Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:48 am

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Well f16 would need to use it now if I'm put up as HoH, I think he realises bbmolla is his only hope as an ally because both too and I have expressed suspicion on him.

I thought bbmolla had too but I guess he couldn't win us over :p
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Post Post #1742 (ISO) » Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:53 am

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Here are the possibilities:
1) Make Minions HoH: Minions puts up BBMolla and F-16. Toog votes F-16
2) Make BBMolla HoH: BBMolla puts up Minions and F-16. Toog votes F-16
3) Make Toog HoH: Toog puts up BBMolla and F-16. Minions votes F-16
4) Make F-16 HoH: F-16 puts up Toog and Minions. BBMolla votes Minions?

The only way to get Minions lynched is to vote me HoH. I suggest that is what we do. Every other possibility ends up with a town lynch.
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Post Post #1743 (ISO) » Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:55 am

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In post 1742, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Here are the possibilities:
1) Make Minions HoH: Minions puts up BBMolla and F-16. Toog votes F-16
2) Make BBMolla HoH: BBMolla puts up Minions and F-16. Toog votes F-16
3) Make Toog HoH: Toog puts up BBMolla and F-16. Minions votes F-16
4) Make F-16 HoH: F-16 puts up Toog and Minions. BBMolla votes Minions?

The only way to get Minions lynched is to vote me HoH. I suggest that is what we do. Every other possibility ends up with a town lynch.
LOL.

The only person who wants a Minions lynch is you, do you really think you are going to be made HoH?
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Post Post #1744 (ISO) » Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:56 am

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Why are you assuming deus ex mechanics at end game F-16 instead of PoEing molla as the most likely suspect?
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Post Post #1745 (ISO) » Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:59 am

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If Toog is town, we pretty much lost this game since you are going to vote for me first, and then BBMolla in LYLO. But at least, if we lose that way, I'll find Voided at endgame and kick him for making a scum cop. Other than that, I don't know what else to say. Nacho was killed because he pushed hard for a Minions lynch. Bulbazak had a hard-on for anyone reading Minions as town because Minions was his buddy and he was looking to FOS people that townread Minions.

I don't believe Molla is scum. None of his behavior makes sense as scum. He is a townread of mine. You are being too complacent about the roles and setup and doing no actual scumhunting. But I've already decided I am going to blame the mod for this loss so it's cool.
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Post Post #1746 (ISO) » Sat Nov 02, 2013 5:00 am

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In post 1744, Toogeloo wrote:Why are you assuming deus ex mechanics at end game F-16 instead of PoEing molla as the most likely suspect?
Molla had no reason to kill Imperium who were hardcore townreading him and pushing very, very hard for a Minions lynch.
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Post Post #1747 (ISO) » Sat Nov 02, 2013 5:01 am

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Based on his play here and retrospect with Titus.

Under simple PoE I agree it would be bbmolla, but bbmolla seems genuinely unsure of who's lying, and f16 is auto clearing bbmolla which at this stage is at complete odds with his cautious play.

Remember he has argued about group concensus and standing by not taking the lead as HoH. Now suddenly he is auto clearing bbmolla while also being certain of me... After being certain it was you toog.

It will be your call, but of the two I would point to f16.
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Post Post #1748 (ISO) » Sat Nov 02, 2013 5:02 am

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Sorry, thought toog was asking me a question there, missed that f16 had also posted.

My point is still valid though :p
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Post Post #1749 (ISO) » Sat Nov 02, 2013 5:07 am

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W/e, but at LYLO, lynch Minions, not Molla. There is no way in hell Molla is scum.
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