Newbie 1447 (Game Over)

townistown · Post Post #75 (ISO) » Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:08 am

Right. I think he's scum and I want us to lynch him.

I thought you just got done saying you didn't have a problem with that.

By the way, what do you think of my analysis of Wake?

Wake1 · Post Post #76 (ISO) » Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:14 am

Yeah, TIT. I'm Scum because I don't respond 100% to your satisfaction. Here, have a newflash: that doesn't make one Scum. Don't like it? Sue me.

In my years of playing I've seen groups of people come and go with opinions of what proper play and Scumhunting are. It's too bad their opinions are so different and oftentimes crap. Anyways, I don't mind playing, but if people are going to be annoying on purpose, well, don't expect any favors.

...TIT, your argument is flimsy. You've got no case. If'd like to embarrass yourself further be my guest. We've got more than enough time and Iwould appreciate the entertainment.

goodmorning · Post Post #77 (ISO) » Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:18 am

In post 72, sharksword2 wrote:@good
Right now the only thoughts i have in players are the ones i have in TIT.

I see.

In post 76, Wake1 wrote:I'm Scum because I don't respond 100% to your satisfaction. Here, have a newflash: that doesn't make one Scum. Don't like it? Sue me.

No, actually you're Scum because you have contributed zero scumhunting thus far. It's almost like you're not interested in finding Scum for some reason...

Also, you're Scum because you've been avoiding engaging with anyone you think has a real point.

townistown · Post Post #78 (ISO) » Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:27 am

In post 76, Wake1 wrote:Yeah, TIT. I'm Scum because I don't respond 100% to your satisfaction. Here, have a newflash: that doesn't make one Scum. Don't like it? Sue me.

In my years of playing I've seen groups of people come and go with opinions of what proper play and Scumhunting are. It's too bad their opinions are so different and oftentimes crap. Anyways, I don't mind playing, but if people are going to be annoying on purpose, well, don't expect any favors.

...TIT, your argument is flimsy. You've got no case. If'd like to embarrass yourself further be my guest. We've got more than enough time and Iwould appreciate the entertainment.

No no you're scum because of what I said before: you're asking questions you aren't interested in hearing the answer to, and you aren't putting pressure on anyone or taking stances on anything. And now you can add overreacting to that list.

Your recent flailing, handwaving, and refusing to respond with logic is just helping you dig your own grave. You're not scum because of it.

sharksword2 · Post Post #79 (ISO) » Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:30 am

In post 63, townistown wrote: 2. post 27 was awful. wake continues to not put pressure on anyone, and asks a question that makes it look like he's doing something when in fact it wasn't really relevant to what was going on. most notably, he doesn't ask the question to anyone specific, leading me to believe that he didn't really care about the answer. sure enough, nobody answers his question and in his next post, 55, he doesn't care. he doesn't re-ask, or anything. he's asking questions to blend in while he doesn't really care what the answer to them is, and he hasn't taken a stance on anything at all yet or put pressure on anyone.

Well its true Wake has done nothing to help with scumhunting so you have a point.

Unvote

townistown · Post Post #80 (ISO) » Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:32 am

Damn wake's last post kinda looks like my pressure made him crap his pants

townistown · Post Post #81 (ISO) » Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:34 am

In post 79, sharksword2 wrote: Well its true Wake has done nothing to help with scumhunting so you have a point.

Unvote

If you think I do have a point concerning Wake, why are you choosing not to vote him?

Wake1 · Post Post #82 (ISO) » Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:40 am

And, like I said, I'm under heavy restrictions. Far moreso than any of you.

Besides, I don't particularly care for Scumhunting Day 1 because of the absolute lack of credible evidence. Indeed I am interested in finding Scum, but something tells me that as soon as I do pull out the ol' Scumhunting gear you'll complain about that as well.

If anyone had a valid point, I'd be interested, but since I've deen none so far, you're out of luck. Paranoia in Mafia is expected, but being a doof by proclaiming someone's Scum or Town Day 1 is beyond idiotic.

I can already sense this fifth (newbie) game isn't going to be an enjoyment.

Mod, replace me out please.

goodmorning · Post Post #83 (ISO) » Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:42 am

Day 1 is weeks long. There should be no difference between these weeks and any other weeks as to quality of play.

townistown · Post Post #84 (ISO) » Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:49 am

-I did in fact have valid points against Wake. Or at least he couldn't show why they were invalid.
-Wake just called what the IC said "beyond idiotic".
-Instead of attempting to respond logically to the points against him, he freaks and replaces out.

I fully expect his replacement to being hanging on a rope soon after he gets in here.

townistown · Post Post #85 (ISO) » Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:53 am

In post 82, Wake1 wrote:proclaiming someone's Scum or Town Day 1 is beyond idiotic.

Like seriously this happens all the time in like every game ever and is the only reason there even are lynches on day 1 - proclaiming someone is scum.

townistown · Post Post #86 (ISO) » Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:59 am

actually though don't end the day until dmabster and magmaram get a chance to say stuff.

sharksword2 · Post Post #87 (ISO) » Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:01 am

In post 81, townistown wrote:
In post 79, sharksword2 wrote: Well its true Wake has done nothing to help with scumhunting so you have a point.

Unvote
If you think I do have a point concerning Wake, why are you choosing not to vote him?

Because i said you have a point but it doesn't mean i'm fully convinced he is scum.

Wake1 · Post Post #88 (ISO) » Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:03 am

Basically, I don't like the attitude, the arrogance, and the assuming behavior.

I'm not interested in participating with people who won't play fair or honestly. If you jump on me while being an ass and not stopping and thinking about what it is you're doing, why would I ever want to shave hours of my life for that? Life is way too short.

If you acknowledged my time constraints, and didn'( act like a jerk, I'd be willing to tap into my experience and actually help you guys find Scum. If that's too hard, oh well.

Bulbazak · Post Post #89 (ISO) » Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:04 am

I don't think that Wake is scum. There are a group of players on the site who dislike early RVS type play, and as such, refuse to partake. Do I agree with it? No. Does that automatically make him scum? No.

TiT is scum, though.

townistown · Post Post #90 (ISO) » Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:05 am

In post 82, Wake1 wrote: Besides, I don't particularly care for Scumhunting Day 1 because of the absolute lack of credible evidence. Indeed I am interested in finding Scum, but something tells me that as soon as I do pull out the ol' Scumhunting gear you'll complain about that as well.

!!!!!!!!!!!!

In post 7, Wake1 wrote:I prefer noting what people have done, and, adjacently... speculating on who may or may not have done what. Some think speculation is bad in Mafia, but until the game starts unfolding, it's quite important.

Also, it's great to be active and generate discussion. As Town I usually serve as a catalyst to really heat things up. Scum loves it when people are disinterested and don't contribute because it makes life very easy for them. Lob some accusations, analyze what people do and say, question things, and don't be afraid of stupid people who just want to be obstructionists.

Keep doing that, and maybe, just maybe Scum will slip. Scum has an extreme advantage over us, and they'll expect us to fight and flail against one another in the dark, instead of being calm, considerate, and being willing to work together.

!!!!!!!!!!!!

die scum die!

townistown · Post Post #91 (ISO) » Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:10 am

In post 87, sharksword2 wrote: Because i said you have a point but it doesn't mean i'm fully convinced he is scum.

Ok.

In post 88, Wake1 wrote:Basically, I don't like the attitude, the arrogance, and the assuming behavior.

I'm not interested in participating with people who won't play fair or honestly. If you jump on me while being an ass and not stopping and thinking about what it is you're doing, why would I ever want to shave hours of my life for that? Life is way too short.

If you acknowledged my time constraints, and didn'( act like a jerk, I'd be willing to tap into my experience and actually help you guys find Scum. If that's too hard, oh well.

Dude I just gave my reasons of why I thought you were scum and then you overreacted and handwaved them. I don't see that as being a jerk.

Anyway I though you weren't supposed to post after asking to be replaced out.

In post 89, Bulbazak wrote:I don't think that Wake is scum. There are a group of players on the site who dislike early RVS type play, and as such, refuse to partake. Do I agree with it? No. Does that automatically make him scum? No.

TiT is scum, though.

umadbro?

ya, u mad

Bulbazak · Post Post #92 (ISO) » Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:24 am

In post 91, townistown wrote:
In post 89, Bulbazak wrote:I don't think that Wake is scum. There are a group of players on the site who dislike early RVS type play, and as such, refuse to partake. Do I agree with it? No. Does that automatically make him scum? No.

TiT is scum, though.
umadbro?

ya, u mad

You talk about Wake handwaving suspicion away, and then you turn around and do the same thing.

goodmorning · Post Post #93 (ISO) » Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:26 am

In post 84, townistown wrote:-Wake just called what the IC said "beyond idiotic".

Being the IC doesn't make me infallible.

In post 89, Bulbazak wrote:I don't think that Wake is scum. There are a group of players on the site who dislike early RVS type play, and as such, refuse to partake. Do I agree with it? No. Does that automatically make him scum? No.

No. However, him neither answering questions nor taking stances nor scumhunting at all, that does automatically make him Scum.

PEDIT: It's not handwaving if there's no evidence to wave away, js

townistown · Post Post #94 (ISO) » Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:29 am

In post 93, goodmorning wrote: PEDIT: It's not handwaving if there's no evidence to wave away, js

Hey you like stole the exact words I was going to respond to bullbacrap with

townistown · Post Post #95 (ISO) » Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:31 am

In post 93, goodmorning wrote:
In post 84, townistown wrote:-Wake just called what the IC said "beyond idiotic".
Being the IC doesn't make me infallible.

I'd hope it would at least make you not "beyond idiotic", though.

Bulbazak · Post Post #96 (ISO) » Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:31 am

In post 93, goodmorning wrote:
In post 89, Bulbazak wrote:I don't think that Wake is scum. There are a group of players on the site who dislike early RVS type play, and as such, refuse to partake. Do I agree with it? No. Does that automatically make him scum? No.
No. However, him neither answering questions nor taking stances nor scumhunting at all, that does automatically make him Scum.

We've been playing for a little over a RL day. Give it time.

In post 93, goodmorning wrote: It's not handwaving if there's no evidence to wave away, js

He's not handwaving evidence away. He's handwaving suspicion away. TiT has been subtle in his accusations all day. You can find subtle accusations all over our argument. He could have looked at it as an obvious misunderstanding and try to rectify the situation, but he spent his time discrediting his attacker and subtly accusing his attackers of being scum, going so far as to resort to semantic arguments. He wants to stir things up. This is evident as early as his first post.

townistown · Post Post #97 (ISO) » Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:42 am

Suspicion without evidence can only be acknowledged, not responded to. I don't know how to not "hand-wave" pure suspicion away, other than just ignoring it.

I don't know what you are talking about "subtle". You don't seem to be very good at quoting things.

However I think you are town, if that makes a difference.

TheFuzzylogic99 · Post Post #98 (ISO) » Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:53 am

TIT... how is asking experience not relevant..... this is a newbie game so I think it nice to know if someone is brand new to the game or brand new to the site. I like to know such things myself so it can help me judge a person action. You seem all over the place...are you trying to get yourself lynched bc that is what it seems like. Also not putting pressure on someone so early in the game could be just a playing style and have no relevance to alignment

I have to agree your argument for Wake lynch is weak. You seem trying awful hard to lynch Wake so early in the game with not very good evidence. Either you are tunneling or you are scum trying way to hard to lynch Wake.

goodmorning · Post Post #99 (ISO) » Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:57 am

In post 96, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 93, goodmorning wrote:
In post 89, Bulbazak wrote:I don't think that Wake is scum. There are a group of players on the site who dislike early RVS type play, and as such, refuse to partake. Do I agree with it? No. Does that automatically make him scum? No.
No. However, him neither answering questions nor taking stances nor scumhunting at all, that does automatically make him Scum.
We've been playing for a little over a RL day. Give it time.

I expect 100% of people when the game begins. Though some allowances must be made for newbies, Wake is not a newbie.

In post 93, goodmorning wrote: It's not handwaving if there's no evidence to wave away, js
He's not handwaving evidence away. He's handwaving suspicion away. TiT has been subtle in his accusations all day. You can find subtle accusations all over our argument. He could have looked at it as an obvious misunderstanding and try to rectify the situation, but he spent his time discrediting his attacker and subtly accusing his attackers of being scum, going so far as to resort to semantic arguments. He wants to stir things up. This is evident as early as his first post.

What else is he going to say? "Oh no, you got me?"

And again, if you don't state why you find him scummy then there is nothing for him to address or attempt to rectify.

And did you expect a newbie not to OMGUS?

(And I suggest you look again at the way he's stirring things up and the reasons behind that)

P-EDIT:
Hey fuzzy, you have any reads/leans yet?