A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Garruk Relentless]

That is the real reason. I cannot put forth ANYTHING logical if people are unwilling (with or without a reason) to answer questions if I haven't read. It's sure as hell risky to do nothing while a lynchtrain is coming. I cannot reply to anything from this evening until Monday morning. So I did he only thing I could so I could actually contribute.

For a guy saying that all this is shitty and has no content, why are you opposing my attempts to be able to deliver?

"Hey, give me til Monday evening, work is busy." It worked for Amrun, she just got lynched because scum quickhammered and deliberately still put forth no content after her deadline had passed.

Not that hard: I, for one, wouldn't have said a word and likely have vocally opposed any wagon set forth until that date.

Just because you can't put forth any "logical" content does not give you, specifically, a license to post illogically--it's something you

pride

yourself on. This makes your actions incongruent to your natural behavior, which, I'm sure you understand, makes you suspect in my eyes. I'm not lynching you yet because you have indicated some semblance of your normal thought process, but...you're on thin ice.

And I never said anything about your content, and I definitely am not opposing your attempts to deliver said content(seriously, how did you even get that out of my posts?), in fact, I gave you an out to the burden of reading.

[Titus]

Your so called "out" is for me to post illogically. I don't take pride in posting illogically. Where the fuck did you get that? I post things that have a basis in logic, even if I come across as unclear. I'll try things but I don't push shit when I don't have any idea what is going on unless someone is genuinely being obtuse and confusing.

I take pride in being the oddball. I approach things from a differing perspective that people may not understand. I do not post solely to hear myself talk. That's stupid. I will figure out who are the scums and how to prove it. I just need the time in order to do that.

[Alfred Borden]

Sorry for the absence. Just got caught up with the thread and I'm not going to waste a whole lot of space regurgitating what has been said except to say that I agree with almost every word in ooba's #3522 (yes, even the first half of it about how you should actually Read the Thread, Titus). Basically, you're out of your goddamn mind if you think we should pass up an opportunity to further cripple the scums with a third Night of no kills. Even if she's somehow lying about her role, the risk of losing only one of us is absolutely worth it, especially if we lynch scum today.

bordenmpire - I still want to talk to you about Prideandjoy.

What about? My thoughts on the slot haven't really changed except the concern that I might be wrong on my early townread of them has grown exponentially each time I catch up on this thread and see nothing from that slot.

Actually...I just remembered you brought up that thing about PeaceBringer chainsaw defending Marangal in Wingate Mansion and potentially doing the same thing here. Looking over P&J's interactions with that slot here, PB ends up strongly suspecting kanye in #121 for attacking that slot early on which does remind me of his MO in that game. But what do you think about posts like #139 and #147? I don't remember PB taking such a blatant buddying-type approach in that game. As far as Spy goes, he just kinda lists P&J among his townreads but there's nothing else (I have a tinfoil theory that one of his buddies is in that grouping due to him saying "I am super, super confident about the town grouping there. At MOST, and thats a most, there's 1 scum there" as I got the vibe that he was leaving the option open to bus later on down the road by saying that).

I don't know if that made any sense filtered through my hangover-afflicted mind but that's what I have on the slot.

Also, do you still think elleheathen is scum? I was getting really worried that I might be wrong on that one too but the claim reaffirmed it for me.

I still have to get working on the rest of my analysis so I should be continuing with it tonight. Of the wagons up right now, definitely prefer quadz as he's basically completely flatlined since ooba's case, but I definitely want to get work done (I plan on proposing a town bloc at the end of all this).

[Katsuki]

Haven't been keeping up lately, but I just want to remind everyone that vezok had such a role as scum in one of Kise's (I believe) game some 2-3 years ago.

I wouldn't rule out a global roleblocker being scum, should titus still be alive in late-game.

[Tierce]

This is not a Kise game.

[Katsuki]

Because you aren't really making actual attempts to deliver. You don't need extra 48 hours given how long ago you joined the game. You, and only you, are responsible for however many responsibilities you have in your life. You knew this game was long when you joined it, so this is YOUR problem when you join the game and choose to ask pointless questions instead of reading the thread to find their answers. I can guarantee that using the search function in this thread for "coin" takes less than 5 days or 48 hours or whatever you're claiming you have no time for.

Asking specific people catchup questions is a legitimate scumhunting tactic.

And I still don't get your insistance earlier on NOT summing up your scumreads for me and wanting me to go dig for them myself. It may be a difference in playstyle/philosophy, but I found it terribly scummy.

[Katsuki]

This is not a Kise game.

And your point?

[AGar]

Because you aren't really making actual attempts to deliver. You don't need extra 48 hours given how long ago you joined the game. You, and only you, are responsible for however many responsibilities you have in your life. You knew this game was long when you joined it, so this is YOUR problem when you join the game and choose to ask pointless questions instead of reading the thread to find their answers. I can guarantee that using the search function in this thread for "coin" takes less than 5 days or 48 hours or whatever you're claiming you have no time for.

Asking specific people catchup questions is a legitimate scumhunting tactic.

When coupled with actually attempting to gleam information from the thread yourself? Sure.

When it's your standalone method of getting information? No.

[Cephrir]

For those of you keeping score at home, quadz is on L-2, so moving a vote there is a pretty good idea.

We are testing that claim. Period.

[Tierce]

Because you aren't really making actual attempts to deliver. You don't need extra 48 hours given how long ago you joined the game. You, and only you, are responsible for however many responsibilities you have in your life. You knew this game was long when you joined it, so this is YOUR problem when you join the game and choose to ask pointless questions instead of reading the thread to find their answers. I can guarantee that using the search function in this thread for "coin" takes less than 5 days or 48 hours or whatever you're claiming you have no time for.

Asking specific people catchup questions is a legitimate scumhunting tactic.

And I still don't get your insistance earlier on NOT summing up your scumreads for me and wanting me to go dig for them myself. It may be a difference in playstyle/philosophy, but I found it terribly scummy.

Keep on not scumhunting, it's charming. The bit where you don't even bother to read my posts since is particularly good.

[Katsuki]

Sigh I guess I'm not gonna get anywhere with this then.

Oh well~

[Tammy]

Meh

UNVOTE:

I'm fine with a quadz lynch, but I'm not putting him at l-1 right now. Wanna give

glass towers

bordempire a chance to do what he wants to do.

[Tammy]

bordenmpire - I still want to talk to you about Prideandjoy.

What about? My thoughts on the slot haven't really changed except the concern that I might be wrong on my early townread of them has grown exponentially each time I catch up on this thread and see nothing from that slot.

Actually...I just remembered you brought up that thing about PeaceBringer chainsaw defending Marangal in Wingate Mansion and potentially doing the same thing here. Looking over P&J's interactions with that slot here, PB ends up strongly suspecting kanye in #121 for attacking that slot early on which does remind me of his MO in that game. But what do you think about posts like #139 and #147? I don't remember PB taking such a blatant buddying-type approach in that game. As far as Spy goes, he just kinda lists P&J among his townreads but there's nothing else (I have a tinfoil theory that one of his buddies is in that grouping due to him saying "I am super, super confident about the town grouping there. At MOST, and thats a most, there's 1 scum there" as I got the vibe that he was leaving the option open to bus later on down the road by saying that).

I don't know if that made any sense filtered through my hangover-afflicted mind but that's what I have on the slot.

Also, do you still think elleheathen is scum? I was getting really worried that I might be wrong on that one too but the claim reaffirmed it for me.

Okay I just went back and read through his iso in wingate. He didn't make buddying posts like that to anyone though, so I'm not sure it can be a fair comparison. I just looked at that antihero game too and there weren't buddying posts (one point in pnj's favor is that he barely interacted with his partners in either game, so.). I'm still concerned with the chainsaw type thing and that they've done almost nothing.

I'm definitely not town reading Elle, and I'm not sure how the claim makes her town. She says she was convinced tierce was scum, but there's absolutely no indication of that at all. What I'm seeing as lacking in this game is a sense of paranoia and uncertainty and a lack of real involvement. On day two, Garruck hinted that tierce was town due to role results and Elle didn't budge then, in fact she says it wasn't until day three that she started seeing her as town. She asks a bunch of us what our read on tierce is though we've all made it clear that we think she's town throughout the game. I'm not going to worry about it today though.

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Oh and nacho - I still think Garruck is town.

[Shadoweh]

Titus: If I were you instead of telling people you don't like them making you respond, I would just not respond and keep reading. You're just making more useless stuff for people like yourself to read through. In fact, don't even reply to this, just read.

[Shadoweh]

Also, considering the dislike that StupendousMan got, is there a particular reason no one cares about Katsuki's slot right now?

[Tammy]

Stupendous man - someone else I forgot about in my reads list that night.

I'm pulling a watch and see approach with katsuki.

[Cephrir]

Also, considering the dislike that StupendousMan got, is there a particular reason no one cares about Katsuki's slot right now?

Other than the upswing in reads on Stupendous before his replace out and the fact that said slot currently isn't really doing anything, probably not.

[Katsuki]

Why did SM get so much hate? I didn't have a scum read when I skimmed through his iso before replacing

[Tierce]

This is not a Kise game.

And your point?

You're trying to justify a lame scumread on an ability on a uPick with roles (primarily) before alignments with that role existing ages ago on a Kise game. This is not a Kise game. Find a better excuse.

[Katsuki]

This is not a Kise game.

And your point?

You're trying to justify a lame scumread on an ability on a uPick with roles (primarily) before alignments with that role existing ages ago on a Kise game. This is not a Kise game. Find a better excuse.

...

Where in my post did I ever call him scum? I merely said that it is NOT a sure-fire town role.

Really now these are the types of post you make when you're scum. = =

Unvote, Vote: Tierce

[Garruk Relentless]

You're trying to justify a lame scumread on an ability on a uPick with roles (primarily) before alignments with that role existing ages ago on a Kise game. This is not a Kise game. Find a better excuse.

Not that I particularly agree with Katsuki's assessment, but I think you're kinda missing the point of Kat's post.

But this whole discussion is kinda a moot point anyway.

PEDIT:

[Cephrir]

[Katsuki]

You're trying to justify a lame scumread on an ability on a uPick with roles (primarily) before alignments with that role existing ages ago on a Kise game. This is not a Kise game. Find a better excuse.

Not that I particularly agree with Katsuki's assessment, but I think you're kinda missing the point of Kat's post.

But this whole discussion is kinda a moot point anyway.

PEDIT:

You can probably explain it to tierce for me.
(It's also maybe a moot point but I just wanted to throw it out there in case someone decides to derp later on)


I'mma disappear before I become a bigger distraction.

[Garruk Relentless]

Can you vote quadz or Titus or someone that actually has a chance of getting lynched before going into super lurk mode?

[Eddard Stark]

Day 4, Vc 16

The Alchemist (1) -

Benmage

Titus (5) -

Nautilius, kanyeknowsbest, The Alchemist, SafetyDance, Goat on a Raft

SafetyDance (1) -

quadz08

quadz08 (9) -

ooba, Shadoweh, Messiah Complex, Cephrir, Titus, Goat on a Raft, Garruk Relentless, Tierce, AGar

Tierce (1) -

Katsuki

Not voting (4)

- Alfred Borden, elleheathen, PrideandJoy, Tammy

With 20 alive it takes 11 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 10th of November at 17:00 EDT
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-11-10 17:00:00)
  
• Tierce is V/la. Your mod is V/la again. Sorry!