inorite? It's making me crazy. I feel like a notorious tunneler this game.In post 2505, Garuda wrote:SUDDEN PANG OF HYDRA DISSONANCE BECAUSE NACHO ISN'T AROUND TO TELL ME I'M BAD AT MAFIA
Every time I want to believe Nacho's Voided townread, I read shit like his entire page 97 posting and I just want to noose him so fucking badly.
I guess it might be a posting style thing? I just fucking despise the way he talks to baldeagle (the early part of #2414 is what I mean -- it's like he's trying to talk baldeagle out of his read which is really weird considering Voided scumreads him) and I still can't shake the feeling I had early D1 where it just seems like his entire approach to this game is from the mindset of scum trying to scumhunt the other team.
I don't *think* either team tried to crumb stuff like that in the last game but I'll have to double check (my slot died N1 and I didn't pay THAT close attention to the game after I died).In post 2421, morph the cat wrote:Does anyone that played marketplace 1/2 remember if there were scum-to-scum crumbs in the prior games?
Uh oh, looks like someone isn't actually reading this slot's posts.In post 2423, KingdomAces wrote:I find Garuda's comments on Dr. Pepper in 1306 strange. At this point he seemed not all that much different from Guille/Bankai, but he specifically commented about DP and none of the other near lurkers. In the post after that he calls Seanald a second tier townread with absolutely no explanation, when he'd done nothing even remotely town at that point.
is this out of fear that he's going to downgrade you to his null/scum pile, or do you really think nero is town?garuda wrote:I don't think Nero Cain is scum.
Because I read it? I'm not sure what you're getting at here, but it makes me feel like you're trying to get me to write a case on baldeagle for you.In post 2484, Voidedmafia wrote:I guess I was expecting you to explain why you thought it was confbias.In post 2446, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:What? What better explanation is there for baldeagle's VCA than "confirmation bias"?
Day 1 I would have disagreed with you here, but I'm not so sure any more. KingdomAces seems to have read the whole thread but isn't engaging with anyone. He's justIn post 2494, BBmolla wrote:Zdenek/KingdomAces slot is probably scum
Is there anyone that isn't just playing like they usually do to you?In post 2497, Seanald wrote:I don't agree with the nero wagon, nero always gets this kinda flak in his games, I still read him as town, he sounds too much like his town game to me.
how did zdenek underplay here? he seemed like he always does to me.
It's a confusing game, played with a bunch of people in here but only separately, they are in hydras here. Molla is playing different than his last game but I think it is irrelevant he was a homeless vigilante last marketplace. But his activity isn't any different than the other game I'm in with him, his posts do have more content in the other game.In post 2513, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:Is there anyone that isn't just playing like they usually do to you?In post 2497, Seanald wrote:I don't agree with the nero wagon, nero always gets this kinda flak in his games, I still read him as town, he sounds too much like his town game to me.
how did zdenek underplay here? he seemed like he always does to me.
In post 2517, Seanald wrote:But his activity isn't any different than the other game I'm in with him, his posts do have more content in the other game.
A yup. Specifically...In post 2365, zMuffinMan wrote:is this referring to before or after the hermy flip? is this why you thought upsidedown was scum on the hermy wagon?prohawk wrote:Upside down for the OTT posts regarding Hermy
also what happened to your harakiri and LB reads?
In post 701, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:VOTE: HermyIn post 686, Hermy wrote:Er... I'd prefer reasons now instead of later...
Just so we're clear.
In post 705, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:I'm going to resist the urge to call you Hermy's buddy and ask you how those posts could possibly be town?In post 702, 1baldeagle1 wrote:Also, Hermy's wagon seems a bit rushed. I dun liek it.
I actually don't really have a case on LB aside from not liking his "gambit" D1. Harakiri is probably still scum tho.In post 759, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:VOTE: HermyIn post 744, Hermy wrote:I'm getting a flashwagon for bad wording. Nice.
Could you throw up a quick example of this?In post 2376, morph the cat wrote: I like the questioning. But, I feel like sometimes (and way more often than I'd expect from a town player) his line of questioning indicates his PoV - the place he's approaching the game from - isn't town.
In post 1503, morph the cat wrote:
VoidedMafia
The scum vibe started with our first exchange.
In post 89, morph the cat wrote:p much had to happen eventually.In post 86, Voidedmafia wrote:You aren't scum?In post 92, Voidedmafia wrote:Eh, don't see it.In post 87, BBmolla wrote:Opposite team scum found.
Morph, don't lie to me. P-EDIT: We pretty much just were scum together. Sorry if I'm a little paranoid now.
pyro, bald: Or, yknow, she doesn't think that neighborizer needs to claim?
We've had three scum games as a hydra. We've won all three. But, they weren't awe inspiringly impressive wins for the most part. Well maybe that one game. Oh yeah Voided was our scumbuddy in that game. Still, though, declaring paranoia this early in the game with nothing on which to base it looks unusual. It's not like our meta was going to go unnoticed this game.
Nacho is going to tell me that it makes perfect sense for Voided to be this paranoid. And I'm going to point out that even I give Cabd time and room to actually do something I
can I freak out about before I start with the in-thread squinty eyes.
This seemed either incredibly optimistic or just plain reasoning that a town player wouldn't come up with.In post 108, Voidedmafia wrote:Ha.In post 93, zMuffinMan wrote:voided is scum
What'cha got, then?
P-EDIT: Vote me, now? That's not nice, Mina.
I largely adverted EV for myself. Had thought of the possibility for better people than me to get it, but largely for myself (and to make sure scum didn't advert or get it later).
Bald does have the sound of someone who's not used to larges and feels a bit over his head, but his recent posts don't make me think he's town.
ED2:Vote: Prohawk
That's what you went for?
PE3: If you remember, I wasn't in it until the last couple nights of the game. Also, they didn't claim they had neighborzer until it was necessary to finish the stranglehold we already had on the game. So that's not even relevant, and I still don't see why whoever got it needs to claim now.
I don't see the purpose of your proposal, either, so.
advertizing decreased the amount of money that could go to the auction on the same night, so given what we already know about the game mechanics, how would Voided feel that certain he could acquire EV? And why would town care if scum advertise it unless it's something we wanted to be purged from the availables asap?
945 - specifically where he voted ProHawk. It always catches my attention when a player whose posts are starting to sound town to me suddenly draws a vote, because the vote feels out of step, like the player doesn't realize that town sentiment is silently shifting as new stuff hits the thread.
In 1296, this:
...read to me like he was upset with scum. With other-scum. Especially the first paragraph. I can't see town being annoyed about this.Voided wrote:But were any of those kill stopping abilities owned by town or even available N0? Were they available N1? No and yes. Furthermore, I do think that having some kind of flip to work with via lynches certainly helps solidify reads (either through how people got the lynch through, or just from the lynch alone). Doc protects are a good way to avoid losing more when a townie is accidentally lynch (so long as they protect correctly), but just because the ability's there and just because this is a large doesn't mean that no-lynching should always be an option in the back of our heads.
Besides, no-lynching in that situation is still stupid to me. Doing that and trying to make the most on short time is better than just doing nothing because we suddenly only had 3 days to do anything.
Also this:
And in 1237 I felt like Voided was going after the lowest hanging fruit in his scum pile.Voided wrote:I don't think PV-scum'd lose much by fishing for a partner N1, so long as it wasn't a blind toss. I would hope that if he is on a team they used other means to find scum last night. (and one in particular)
Pick Your Partners for Town and Shadows and Lights for scum, btw.In post 2489, 1baldeagle1 wrote:Voided, gonna do a side by side comparison of your most recent town game and scum game.
This a meta claim from you?In post 2492, BBmolla wrote:If I was scum then at least I could make up reads.
Thoughts on Ghostlin's opinions on our current plan for advertisements and such?In post 2486, BBmolla wrote:If someone wants to chat I'm down
I've been trying to get him to snap out of this stupid fixation on me since early/mid-D2 simply because of how ridiculous it is. The sheer amount of effort he's been putting in to trying to make this scumread of his work doesn't read as town to me, and I don't plan on tolerating it any more than I have to.In post 2505, Garuda wrote:(the early part of #2414 is what I mean -- it's like he's trying to talk baldeagle out of his read which is really weird considering Voided scumreads him)
Maybe it's because I scumhunt in a general sense early on and don't start figuring out teams until after there's a scumflip or two? Though, sometimes I can't even do that because there just isn't much that I can find that points to one person being that flipped guy's partner and I just have to hope that one my scumreads who might have better ties flips as the dead guy's partner to help me.In post 2505, Garuda wrote:and I still can't shake the feeling I had early D1 where it just seems like his entire approach to this game is from the mindset of scum trying to scumhunt the other team.
What tipped you off, out of curiosity? That wasn't one of my best scumgames, but.In post 2507, Garuda wrote:P-edit: I don't know, the only time I've seen his scum game was in that Shadows and Lights game that just finished (I wasn't in the game but correctly read him as scum from the little of it I read).
I don't see why Garuda would have to fear Nero putting him in the null/scum pile?In post 2509, zMuffinMan wrote:is this out of fear that he's going to downgrade you to his null/scum pile, or do you really think nero is town?
Well, what exactly confused you about it?In post 2510, KingdomAces wrote:I literally just sat around trying to figure out what it meant for like ten minutes.
I'd like to think that I did well enough in responding on my own to him that I don't need to piggback off anything you say, but I would kinda expect that when someone says analysis like that is pointless/confbias they would explain why they think so.In post 2511, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:Because I read it? I'm not sure what you're getting at here, but it makes me feel like you're trying to get me to write a case on baldeagle for you.
I can kinda agree with the "just beingIn post 2512, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:Day 1 I would have disagreed with you here, but I'm not so sure any more. KingdomAces seems to have read the whole thread but isn't engaging with anyone. He's just there, not doing anything particularly exciting
From a real-life perspective I can agree with this sentiment.In post 2516, KingdomAces wrote:From my point of view, I'm constantly asking people to ask me questions, and everyone is just ignoring me. Yeah, I'm not exactly involved with all that much yet, but that's more indicative of how bad of a conversationalist I am than it is of my alignment.
I won't hold judgment on your other two games, but Achievement Unlocked is my only scumgame of you that I have that I was in ('specially as your buddy). You may not think it was an impressive win, but you weren't exactly the easiest person to get a lynch on IIRC and it was the game of yours that was fresh in my mind, hence why I said I was a little paranoid for the time being.In post 1503, morph the cat wrote:We've had three scum games as a hydra. We've won all three. But, they weren't awe inspiringly impressive wins for the most part. Well maybe that one game. Oh yeah Voided was our scumbuddy in that game. Still, though, declaring paranoia this early in the game with nothing on which to base it looks unusual. It's not like our meta was going to go unnoticed this game.
Town can be selfish with how they use their money, and I was selfish N0 in that regard. I feel like this point would've been more impactful had I do this, say, last night instead of N0 when it was more likely that not every town was going to be working for the town's best interest.In post 1503, morph the cat wrote:This seemed either incredibly optimistic or just plain reasoning that a town player wouldn't come up with.
To the first question, I wasn't. I guessed I would and that scum wouldn't bet on it with things like NK and Neighboriser up for grabs, but I wasn'tIn post 1503, morph the cat wrote:advertizing decreased the amount of money that could go to the auction on the same night, so given what we already know about the game mechanics, how would Voided feel that certain he could acquire EV? And why would town care if scum advertise it unless it's something we wanted to be purged from the availables asap?
I'd have to disagree that town sentiment was shifting to Prohawk-town at that point in the game. At least, I don't feel like ProHawk was one of the people who would be on the recieving end of a general townread after Hermy's townflip. Later on after the arguments had been place against him, sure, but not when I voted him.In post 1503, morph the cat wrote:945 - specifically where he voted ProHawk. It always catches my attention when a player whose posts are starting to sound town to me suddenly draws a vote, because the vote feels out of step, like the player doesn't realize that town sentiment is silently shifting as new stuff hits the thread.
I admit I never did understand this part of things. My annoyance was with Prohawk thinking that no-lynching was the better option, and I don't see how I could be upset with opposite-scum if I was scum there since I was talking about why no-lynching was a bad idea, not on the abilities that were up for grabs N0.In post 1503, morph the cat wrote:...read to me like he was upset with scum. With other-scum. Especially the first paragraph. I can't see town being annoyed about this.
Do you want the paranoid version or the grip on sanity version?