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[Albert B. Rampage]

GAH catching up as quick as I can...usually I have more time on weekdays

[pitoli]

One leak will sink a ship; and one sin will destroy a sinner.
~ John Bunyan

VOTE COUNT 2.5

notscience (1):

SpyreX

ChannelDelibird (4):

Garmr, Grimgroove, Plum, fferyllt

Albert B. Rampage (2):

Peabody, notscience

Plum (2):

ChannelDelibird, CrashTextDummie

Not Voting:

Albert B. Rampage

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.

Time until deadline: (expired on 2013-11-05 00:00:00)

Mod Notes

: I extended the deadline again. Please mind it.

[Grimgroove]

With a little more than a day until deadline, we should either force a claim out of CDB and go from there or work on a viable counter-wagon. I obviously prefer option b. I don't think an SK wagon

based purely on his flaking

has a lot of legs, but I'm not generally opposed to his lynch if ABR doesn't start putting in effort. I think Plum is more likely to flip scum.

The thing in bold is evidently not true, but I do like your general way of thinking.

I'm very eager to see Plum's reaction to your 1212.

[Plum]

She has a pretty dreadful voting record, the only vote of hers that looks half-way legit in context is the D1 Spyrex vote, and I think she held on to it too long for comfort (read: long past its expiration date), which gives me the impression that she lacks pro-activeness. This is well illustrated by what she did with her vote next, which was a very limp move onto Peabody that looked to be motivated more by a desire to change her vote for want of not looking stagnant rather than an actual act of scumhunting.

You're saying I held onto the SpyreX vote too long - even though notscience was on the wagon and we were anticipating two replacements who might well have voted him - and when I did switch it, it was only to look like I was doing anything? It was reasonably clear to me at the point I voted Peabody that the SpyreX wagon had truly died (notscience switched his vote and so forth), yes. Peabody's initial posting seemed like extensive posturing at substance and engagement trying to mask the fact that his points and questions didn't actually probe scumminess and didn't do anything else. I don't know what felt 'limp' to you about my vote on Peabody - that it was a sense of scumminess at his approach to the game that intensified throughout my post and was sprinkled into a catchup post as opposed to a big damn case? Yeah, I wanted to change my vote, in order not to

be

stagnant.

Her vote on Brian was perhaps the worst of the bunch, she spent a good amount of the early going defending his miller-claim and basically ended up voting him for lurking. She did set the groundwork for a turn-around, and it feels distinctively slimy to me:

Plum, thoughts on Brian lynch?

Better than YYR/Grimgroove (have skimmed ahead); Brian is somewhat scummier to my reading (esp. given Grimgroove reads Townish to me). May be the best viable option, especially given that the chances of him looking much better and not being a constant is-he-or-isn't-he debate as the game goes on don't seem particularly high, either.

Weak language ("somewhat scummier"), only discusses him in relation to Grimgroove, sets him up as "best viable option" for the weird reason of "he's not likely to improve his game".

The most recent votecount at the time of my vote had substantial wagons only on Brian and YYR/Dorcas (and a two-vote wagon on notscience, not someone I wanted lynched at all). My preferred lynch at the time of responding to that, SpyreX, was certainly going nowhere. From the perspective of looking at the most viable choices, the ones I might have to compromise on as deadline approached, Brian was the best of the lot by a small amount in terms of scumminess (I'd certainly never had the sort of town conviction on him like I had in relation to YYR's intial posting, and Grimgroove's initial round of posting looked good); the game utility of offing him was also relevant to me. I didn't think he was likely to be more generally readable, take up less discussion space hashing and rehashing as an issue, or contribute. This compounded with a read on him that was, in a word, mediocre.

I consider lurking through towards deadline scummy. Especially when a lot of the relevant discussion about options and sorting them out has extreme bearing on the person lurking. It is highly anti-Town and I've seen scum do it tactically. I had no desire to see Brian let off as we floundered

because

his inactivity when he clearly had site access kept us floundering. My vote, at that point, was based on conviction, not merely compromise.

Empire interactions look plausibly buddy-ish. Some snide remarks in his direction, but seemingly not a lot of interest in his slot. She ends up "leaning town a bit" on him.

I was wrong, but fair enough from an observational perspective.

Her pushes today simply don't look town motivated to me. I asked her earlier what about the CDB-Empire interaction she considered scummy, and I found her answer to be lacking. I get the impression that went into her day-opening analysis wanting to present 3 viable buddies, rather than having developed three legitimate suspicions. In this context, I find her vote switch to CDB opportunistic. I maintain that the CDB wagon is bad and she is the worst offender.

The three weren't my only possible suspicions, just people who stuck out as plausible enough buddies to focus on and certainly to note down as worthy of attention for that if nothing else. There are a couple I haven't had time to parse further.

CDB's reaction to fferylt and Grimgroove's questioning about his fferylt suspicions spiralled quickly into CDB almost desperately insisting that there was no benefit to him doing such a thing as scum and then further insisting that he'd asked similar questions (to the 'what's the scum motivation') as Town. That is obfuscating the matter and trying to furnish proof out of it that he's Town. Not interested.

[SpyreX]

We have little over a day. With what is possible right now I'm not even a little convinced about CDB and my crusade isn't getting traction for now.

Unvote, Vote: Plum.

Consolidate and fight.

[Grimgroove]

I dont know what it is about this game, but there's still not any bite. I don't like the CDB Wagon, at all.

Please specify who or what you don't like about it.

[fferyllt]

We have little over a day. With what is possible right now I'm not even a little convinced about CDB and my crusade isn't getting traction for now.

Unvote, Vote: Plum.

Consolidate and fight.

I feel like I'm being dense and asking the same questions. I just don't get your CDB read. "not even a little convinced". Does this mean you're strongly townreading him? If so, what's the basis?

[Grimgroove]

VOTE: Albert B. Rampage

He's using his replacement-status as a means of getting through this day.
His predecessor had plenty of time and opportunity to respond to my questions, it's not something that would have taken more time than the time used posting prod dodges and fluff. SleepyKrew also promised content one day and didn't deliver. At the time of making the promise we can be certain he had the time, or at least some time. He did not use it at all.

And now look at Albert's ISO.
Asking for summaries to Garmr and ferryllt: does nothing with them, no interaction with the people providing the summaries, no thoughts on them.
Forumlates a plan (a reasonable one) on how to go about his catch-up: read the end of D1 and read D2. This is not a big reading assignment, but we have yet to see anything concrete coming out of this exercise.
The only thing he's got: scumread on me and Peabody. Coincidentally the two pushing for SleepyKrew's lynch the hardest. No reasons provided.
Formulates another plan for catching-up: Reading through Empire's interactions. No results to be seen from that exercise either.
Asks for the case on CDB. If he had read Day 2 like he said he would, he wouldn't have to ask for this case.
Last message is yet again one where he claims to be catching up. This time no plan of action is formulated.

He's coasting his way until Day 3 and I want a claim at the very least, and ideally a lynch.

This slot has been occupied by three people and I haven't liked any of them as town.

[Grimgroove]

I think Plum at the very least deserves another day to live. Her last reply was sound, calm and checks out as far as I can see.

CDB, not sold on him being town at all, the arguments still stand and Plum summarized it perfectly. But given both Spyrex (was on the mark with regards to Empire) and CTD (one of my strongest townreads) are not sold on the idea, I'm willing to discuss this with them further during the next day.

Albert B. Rampage is a good compromise wagon at the end of a day where there has been close to zero-activity. More pressure, make him claim asap, and we'll see where we get from there.

[Plum]

Ehhhh, Grimgroove, have you actually looked at what ABR's most recent posts on site are?

[Grimgroove]

No.
Care to fill me in?

[Plum]

All his most recent posts on the site have been in this game.

[Grimgroove]

And this changes anything how?

[Plum]

Not sure how you can say with much conviction that ABR's level of activity is deliberate.

[Grimgroove]

Read 1232, read his ISO, and you can see how.

The fact his activity is constricted to this topic alone is entirely irrelevant.

It is not just the level of his activity, it's also the nature of said activity.

[notscience]

Choo choo on abr plox

[Peabody]

Hi. I got prodded. Don't worry I'll post before deadline.

[Peabody]

I'm okay with SK or CDB.

[fferyllt]

Sigh.

CDB, AbR it would be great to hear more about why you shouldn't be lynched and who should be lynched instead before the clock winds down.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I post during the day, and something unforeseen happened at work. I won't be able to post much before deadline except to change my vote.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote Plum

[fferyllt]

We have little over a day. With what is possible right now I'm not even a little convinced about CDB and my crusade isn't getting traction for now.

Unvote, Vote: Plum.

Consolidate and fight.

I feel like I'm being dense and asking the same questions. I just don't get your CDB read. "not even a little convinced". Does this mean you're strongly townreading him? If so, what's the basis?

I'm probably going to sheep you without these answers, but I'd really like to understand your reasoning for CDB-town. He's pinged pretty hard for me.

[fferyllt]

Unvote, vote Plum

Time permitting, I'd really like to see some reasoning.

[ChannelDelibird]

Fuck. I'm so sorry. This isn't fair, I'm not going to have enough time over the next few days to catch up with this. Particularly sorry to CTD 'cause at least I've completed games with some of the others here.

Mod:

Huge apologies. It's best if I request replacement. Sorry for not manning up and recognising as much sooner.

[Grimgroove]

Unvote, vote Plum

Not moving my vote to Plum, due to the above. That vote is terrible.

Why is it so difficult to get this slot lynched?