A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Titus]

Well if the choice is kill me sign or get mislynched, what would you pick?

^^^^^ Socratic question.

Work keeps imploding on my ass. I am not much further but if anyone wants a screen grab of the pages as proof I am not bullshitting, please don't hesitate. I will update at the end of the night with my progress.

[Tammy]

One thing I have to question is whether a macho cop ever, in a million years, actually claims "macho cop". Might as well paste a "kill me" sign on your forehead.

Brilliant.

hmmm...

[Tammy]

WI am not much further but if anyone wants a screen grab of the pages as proof I am not bullshitting, please don't hesitate. I will update at the end of the night with my progress.

*twitch twitch twitch*

[Messiah Complex]

@ Kanye: I've definitely said something similar as town before.

One thing I have to question is whether a macho cop ever, in a million years, actually claims "macho cop". Might as well paste a "kill me" sign on your forehead.

Brilliant.

hmmm...

He claimed his Machoness so that town PRs wouldn't target him.

Unvote
Vote: Garruk

- Fish's early case
- Don't like their interactions with Spyrex--their main D3 push was on AGar for the L-1 vote, with some innocuous questions thrown at Spyrex that aren't ever followed up on...2911 was also a really awkward unvote
- Really shitty vote on SD when several people collectively lost their minds and thought he wasn't being clear about his actions with flimsy meta justifications
- And...

The most egregious one is investigating SD and that certainly anyone with half a brain could have gotten a read on via dayplay with the 10-man wagon on him. Moreover it was a claimed JOAT. why waste a cop on it, 'falling off the map' a pitiful excuse. Not that the others also weren't bad.

VOTE: Quadz

Bad.

Also, Tierce, I really need you to stop clearing people based off roleclaims. I know this is slightly hypocritical because my clear is based off roleclaim.

^That reads like scum who has been cleared as town by their roleclaim and wants to make sure the pool people who has been cleared that way stays as small as possible so that they don't have to start killing from within it (thus revealing that there is scum there).

- Des

[Nautilius]

Nacho, it's perfectly understandable that you have limited access, but where is your hydra partner and why is he not posting in this game?

He's busy.

Tierce, do you think quadz is the cop?

Yes. Who are you killing?

ut not in such a fashion that it's relevant or I care in the slightest. This claim implies pretty strongly that SD is scum if it's true, so I will probably oppose lynching anyone other than the two of them. Unless some really attractive wagon that I desperately want anyway pops up.

It certainly does.

Vote: SafetyDance

[Messiah Complex]

How so?

- Des

[Benmage]

@ Kanye: I've definitely said something similar as town before.

One thing I have to question is whether a macho cop ever, in a million years, actually claims "macho cop". Might as well paste a "kill me" sign on your forehead.

Brilliant.

hmmm...

He claimed his Machoness so that town PRs wouldn't target him.
- Des

Nah.... If I was macho I wouldn't care about some doc screwing their night target up... Protective roles are pretty weak... whereas cop investigations are the most OverPowered roles out there..... So cheah, not buying. But nice chainsaw.(zomgyoucan'tcallthatchainsaw...ijustdidbitch)

[Messiah Complex]

That's cool, but I don't think your opinion in this case is authoritative at all.

Thoughts on my Garruk vote?

- Des

[Alfred Borden]

I'm definitely not town reading Elle, and I'm not sure how the claim makes her town. She says she was convinced tierce was scum, but there's absolutely no indication of that at all. What I'm seeing as lacking in this game is a sense of paranoia and uncertainty and a lack of real involvement. On day two, Garruck hinted that tierce was town due to role results and Elle didn't budge then, in fact she says it wasn't until day three that she started seeing her as town. She asks a bunch of us what our read on tierce is though we've all made it clear that we think she's town throughout the game. I'm not going to worry about it today though.

Fair point about her read on Tierce, but I don't remember her having a sense of paranoia / uncertainty in her town games (at least to any noteworthy degree - I generally think those two qualities are something that comes from town generally though YMMV on certain players). There's also something minor I noticed too: what do you think about her apparently not knowing what her ability actually did? I think her buddies almost surely would have made that known to her and, while I think it's fakeable, I think the way her claim came about felt natural.

[AGar]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SafetyDance

On to the next on on to the next one.

But f'reals, the quadz targets make perfect sense. PnJ's push that "You had bad targets!" is pretty turrrrible.

[Alfred Borden]

I need to do my own thinking about this claim but general question: is it site meta here to check your null reads over your scumreads (the latter is what I've typically done offsite)? Because I recall quadz suspecting ooba pretty heavily and see that name as a pretty glaring omission among his investigations.

[Alfred Borden]

This claim implies pretty strongly that SD is scum if it's true, so I will probably oppose lynching anyone other than the two of them. Unless some really attractive wagon that I desperately want anyway pops up.

Also, I don't know shit about balance so why is this the case?

[AGar]

I need to do my own thinking about this claim but general question: is it site meta here to check your null reads over your scumreads (the latter is what I've typically done offsite)? Because I recall quadz suspecting ooba pretty heavily and see that name as a pretty glaring omission among his investigations.

Site meta isn't heavily defined in one way or another as far as I've known, but it is a fairly discussed topic and there was a pretty well supported MD thread by mastin about how good cop play is not checking your scumreads or townreads but rather those that you can't read (as it gives you more reads overall).

[AGar]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16412

Link, if you want to read it to see if it fits in with the claim (I think it does personally, I don't remember quadz going heavy in either direction on any of those three reads really).

[Titus]

WI am not much further but if anyone wants a screen grab of the pages as proof I am not bullshitting, please don't hesitate. I will update at the end of the night with my progress.

*twitch twitch twitch*

Why the hell did you modify my quote?

Anyway

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v12/T ... 153231.jpg

That's one of the pages. It would take too long to post them all and I have reading to do.

Putting all the pages up would be too much. Finally have some time to get cracking on this thing for awhile before work tomorrow. I'm expecting to get to page 20 or so tonight.

Right now, GR and PnJ are scumreads. Tierce is a solid town read. Shadoweh is conftown for the most part unless he does something really scummy. His wavelength has practically mirrored mine thus far. Kanye is a what the fuck read. Everyone talks about him but I can't read the guy either way.

[kanyeknowsbest]

holy shit

[kanyeknowsbest]

just, fuckin lamo

[Titus]

kanye, you don't think like I do. So I have grave difficulty reading you. It's a null read but one I can't say you deserve because I see you putting out content. I just cannot read you.

The quadz wagon was also pretty good on day 1. I'm surprised the votes kinda went all russian roulette on that.

[Eddard Stark]

Day 4, Vc 18

The Alchemist (1) -

Benmage

Titus (5) -

kanyeknowsbest, The Alchemist, SafetyDance, Goat on a Raft, elleheathen

SafetyDance (3) -

quadz08, Nautilius, AGar

quadz08 (7) -

ooba, Shadoweh, Cephrir, Titus, Goat on a Raft, Garruk Relentless, PrideandJoy

Tierce (1) -

Katsuki

Garruk Relentless (1) -

Messiah Complex

Not voting (3)

- Alfred Borden, Tammy, Tierce

With 20 alive it takes 11 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 10th of November at 17:00 EDT
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-11-10 17:00:00)
  
• Tierce is V/la. Your mod is V/la again. Sorry!

Prodding Goat on a Raft.

[Shadoweh]

Tierce, do you think quadz is the cop?

Yes. Who are you killing?

I'm not sure. I was going to kill quadz so you can see my indecision. >.> The way this is playing out, probably whichever of SD or quadz doesn't get lynched if the lynched one flips town.

[ooba]

So it boils down to a choice of either Quadz or SafetyDance.

If there was any town roleblocker that blocked Quadz - probably the best to claim that now.

And given the claimed abilities, macho cop vs JoAT who's used up all his abilities, it becomes an fairly easy choice. (If I was voting based on reads alone, I would vote Quadz - but it's 1:1 where we lose more if we're wrong about Quadz)

Unvote. Vote: SafetyDance

[Messiah Complex]

Can someone please explain why SD has to be scum if Quadz is town?

- Des

[ooba]

Messiah - this part in Quadz's claim:

N3 I targeted SafetyDance, because he had more-or-less fallen off the map. My action failed.

My vote on SD today was largely because his mixing-up of night actions implies heavily that he did roleblock me last night.

If you check Quadz's previous posts; his use of Italics in this post also reinforces it. (so it's not something he made up during the claim)

lol

So the options are: SafetyDance is fucking up his fakeclaim and pretending he's not, or he legitimately thinks he's been crystal clear

something tells me it's option #1

VOTE: SafetyDance

[Messiah Complex]

oooooooooooooo

i see it now thank you

have you updated your garruk read since 2358?

- Des

[quadz08]

He claimed his Machoness so that town PRs wouldn't target him.

Partially this and partially because it's confirmable.