A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Benmage]

It starts with a V.

Voldermort!

[Titus]

Alch, all those say the same blasted thing. Everything is redirected at me tonight, which acts as a global roleblock. Cops get my flavor name that starts with a V. Oneshots don't get used.

[Titus]

It starts with a V.

Voldermort!

Obviously this is not the name. I won't answer serious guesses as we can verify cops in this manner.

[Benmage]

My post before titus..

[Titus]

Titus does your pm say that you stop all abilities or all active abilities?

All abilities. One shots used during the night do not count as spent. I do not die. If anyone dies tomorrow, lnych me.

You still block the one-shots correct? So there's no one-shot vig ninja excuse... that ends up being the scum kill riight!

One shot ninja would be redirected at me. I am immune tonight. No one dies.

[Benmage]

Fyi you claim redirector, and V...

You're totally not Varys.... I mean shhh I'll fakeclaim cop tomorrow HUZZAH!

[Titus]

Benmage, cop cannot be fakeclaimed effectively. I post a simple question such as, What is the fifth letter of my flavor claim? Any cop should know that after tonight. Quadz will be confirmed tomorrow either way.

[The Alchemist]

Alch, all those say the same blasted thing. Everything is redirected at me tonight, which acts as a global roleblock. Cops get my flavor name that starts with a V. Oneshots don't get used.

Global role blocker isn't the same thing as global ascetic lightning rod. Or whatever the hell your "I redirect everyone except kinda sorta cops who get unusual results once they're redirected to me mwarharhar" is.

One shot ninja would be redirected at me. I am immune tonight. No one dies.

So you redirect passive and activated abilities that don't (and can't) target you too?

[Titus]

My role pm says all abilities are redirected at me. Cops get my flavor role name. It makes no distinction between passive, active or anything else besides one shots are kept.

[Benmage]

STFU titus.. why do u keep spilling details of ur claim holyfuck

[Alfred Borden]

Well this got messy.
Elle's claim timing / behavior is a truly impressive :shenanigan: if she's scum, so there's that.

SD already proved his vending by targeting MC.
MC, did you definitely receive fruit from SD (as opposed to someone else?)
A full roleblocker with a fruit vending ability is possible. MC fakeclaiming fruit-reception is also possible.
I can imagine scum deciding not to claim full roleblocker.
This line is at least consistent and explains the ninjaderps.

[SafetyDance]

I don't really care that this may be a 1v1, I know I'm town, so fine either order, though of course if it's a popularity contest I'll lose. If this is a last ditch throw of Quadz to take a townie with him, I don't quite understand Quadz' logic of picking me, who is arguably seen as low-hanging fruit. The reward doesn't really seem to match the cost. Not to mention the fact there's still 20 players in the game. One extra mislynch now only makes up for one of the two nights of no kills. Is that worth it?

If he's town, then I hope people rage at him, you know, consistency and all that stuff.

Despite what people are so eager to still think, I haven't mixed up anything. I got a result pm from Faraday last night, not the night before, so there's been no mistake on my end there. Which means my result on quadz

is

true. Also note his actual claim doesn't actually contradict MY claim, because if he was blocked, then there's the reason I got a result with him not going anywhere. So the only reason it's 1v1 is because Quadz believes

I

roleblocked him, which is just his (wrong) interpretation.

I notice Nautilius isn't saying if they used any ability night 2 and if it failed or not. Should have heard from them before.

I have no idea if it's even possible for me to track him back to me, is it? Sitill wouldn't explain his no result.

Although I don't understand why after this claim, Quadz didn't just leap on when he thought I claimed to roleblock, not wait a few days until the wagon built. Why wouldn't you make the 1v1 then and there...a 1v1 which people are already eager to push?

Anyway, around for a bit, have to respond/go over 8 pages of quotes

[quadz08]

I voted you as soon as it was clear you had fucked up your fakeclaim. *shrug*

[Titus]

STFU titus.. why do u keep spilling details of ur claim holyfuck

I don't consider it spilling to clarify my claim to respond to reasonable questions when I thought it was all out there anyway. People should understand my claim that way they can act accordingly. I am pretty confident no one can do anything tonight andwe can verify some people, why not give out that info?

SD, do you have any cop action left?

[ooba]

Let's not discuss the theory for now - it detracts from discussion

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So the only reason it's 1v1 is because Quadz believes I roleblocked him, which is just his (wrong) interpretation.

So it boils down to a choice of either Quadz or SafetyDance.

If there was any town roleblocker that blocked Quadz - probably the best to claim that now.

Except for these five folk, everyone else has posted after my post:
3. Andrius AGar
8. Goat on a Raft (Channeldelibird/AurorusVox)
12. Nautilius (Nacho/Ellibereth)
18. Shadoweh
19. StupendousMan Katsuki

But I repeat again - if you're town and blocked Quadz, you should claim now.

Because unless you venture into theory-land, the scum motivation for either is pretty weak:
a) Quadz: Why claim a 1:1 when he'll be probably be lynched the next day? (There's surviving for a day but that's very weak motivation; unless he's banking on the fact that the town over-thinks the situation tomorrow)
b) SD: Why would he be so adamant about his night actions when multiple times on D4, the opportunity was given to him to admit to a mistake?

[Alfred Borden]

Skimmed the game, don't have time for real content tonight. Just wanted to say that I don't think we should defer the Safety/quadz issue.

Also, since someone brought up the flavor, does whoever the dude quadz claimed make even a bare minimum of sense as a macho cop? Asking this primarily because *reasons*

Bordempire - where was that work of awesomeness (tm)? I was looking forward to seeing who you had as a proposed town block. I hope it has ooba in it.

Working on it. It's been taking me a lot longer than expected to get through all of the 2000000 or so people in the game (though I did manage to do 4 people this morning somehow) and I want this all to come out at the same time. I'm almost done though so the whole thing will be posted tomorrow.

I already posted my thoughts on ooba here and he's definitely in the bloc.

[Benmage]

We can at the very least test quadz's cop ability... I know I've told partners to claim cop when/if getting rung up.

Can we move on yet....??

[SafetyDance]

And I said I am a self-Watcher where?

I know elleheathen targeted me because she said so and I know I lost my abilities at the end of Night 1. If she's lying scum and one of her scumbuddies was the one who vanillized me instead, more power to them...?

I know Garruk targeted me because they said so and I got evidence from it.

None of this requires me having a self-Watcher ability. It requires me having a brain and reading Night results and people's posts. And considering Faraday hates Watchers, why the hell would I claim that in the first place? Why are you so goddamn bitter that I can understand things that happened to me while you can't? ISO Garruk and elleheathen and I and try reading.

Now if you could stop whining that people target me for stuff instead of you, that'd be grand, because the one who is doing the ego trip thing is you.

Fairly sure any scum roleblocker would stop Titus Tonight if that were to happen; if she's Town, that specific action priority makes sense.

But anyway.

UNVOTE: Titus
VOTE: quadz08

You can't help yourself can you? Please, point out where there was any whining or me being bitter in the last 3 posts. There is nothing, nothing in any of my posts speculating about the interactions and roles

of four players

that even indicated that I had a problem with whom people are targetting. Actually prove it instead of running one of your smear campaigns. I think it is that amusing that your ego, or something, just can't let it slide that your word isn't take it as gospel. Unless it's some kind of reaction based on your alignment. Insecurity isn't exactly a town-tell.

I don't need your lecture about reading the thread. I am in it.

These are your discussions about N1 and GR:

Garruk: there are

no words

. Permanent?

@Tierce: Once, only.

I mean, it's perfectly obvious that something happened between Garruk and I that tells them I am Town

The way in which they said I'm Town (I know things you don't~) ...

Just curious, Tierce-y poo, but was our gift of use to you?

Your gift would've been nice, but I found out that more things happened N1 than I'd have liked. (Which makes your explicit defense wording at the start of D2 kind of puzzling, but I'm still not complaining, so etc.) I was talking about something else when I chided you and things made a lot more sense one Night in.

~cryptic business~

That said, I cannot stress Post 2886 enough.

Because I'm a smart cookie and some actions leave paper trails that do not require me being a tracker or a self-watcher.

So I've never mentioned self-watcher, but you have - twice. You yourself said above YOU'VE GOT EVIDENCE. So I am only going by what is in the thread. Garruk talks about leaving a gift ffs, that's not typical investigation!

Then there's your claim:

Look, let's make this simple for everyone.

I have a shared Bulletproof ability. X times during the game, I can shield myself and one other player (remember Night 1? I do!). And I know where that kill MUST go. I can protect Syryana and myself for the next two Nights.

So give it over. This girl has quite the name to whisper~

A

shared

bulletproof

Then there's the Day 3 "Don't need to talk about last night" at Day start.

Then the elle exchange, where she MENTIONS you:

Wow, take a chill pill.

You're my biggest townread. I asked you because I wanted your damn opinion. MY BAD.

And the reason I chose those four people to ask specifically, was because

they're my biggest townreads

and I wanted to know about their read on Tierce given that.

Because if Tierce is town - you need to kill me.

So no, ooba - I'm not concerned about being NK'ed. Because it benefits town for me to die if Tierce is town.

Where you respond:

...You're the one who targeted me N1, aren't you?

Oh, you

genius

.

THEN her claim:

Yes, because:

I'm Ygritte. Aligned with the realm.

Most important of my abilities: I'm a fixed and permanent roleblocker.

You know nothing.

Guess who I targetted?

Tierce.

Which was part of my disengaging - because it was in the last day that I saw Tierce as town.

You need to kill me.

That doesn't show hindsight, she told you (and us) her claim after you said someone had visited n1, and she then said it wouldn't even take effect n1 but afterwards (3310). That's confusing, especially combined with Garruk and then there's Syry thrown in too

Thus the reasons for my questions, thus the speculating where things don't match up. But you know, just brow-beat and bag someone (whilst turning around complaing of as-homs, lol!) that's not drinking your kool-aid. That's obviously your M.O.

[ooba]

Can we move on yet....??

Let's give these five people the opportunity to post before we lynch him:
3. Andrius AGar
8. Goat on a Raft (Channeldelibird/AurorusVox)
12. Nautilius (Nacho/Ellibereth)
18. Shadoweh
19. StupendousMan Katsuki

The Alchemist (1) - Benmage
Titus (4) - kanyeknowsbest, SafetyDance, Goat on a Raft, elleheathen
SafetyDance (7) - quadz08, Nautilius, AGar, ooba, The Alchemist, Cephrir, Garruk Relentless
quadz08 (2) - Shadoweh, Goat on a Raft
Tierce (1) - Katsuki
Garruk Relentless (1) - Messiah Complex
No lynch(1) - PrideandJoy

Not voting (4) - Alfred Borden, Tammy, Tierce, Titus

With 20 alive it takes 11 votes to lynch

[SafetyDance]

*sigh* basic mafia theory, man. You out tracks if they give you pseudo-guilties, not pseudo-innocents, unless another claim contradicts your results or it's fullclaim time.

Curious to see how he responds to Garruk's question.

What's there to say? We don't know what SafetyDance actually meant, and I'm not particularly concerned about him possibly claiming to have roleblocked me. I'll freak out about it when people start voting me for it. *shrug*

Here is says he isn't concerned but if he knows he's been roleblocked, why would he not be wanting to lynch me here, not a day and 70 posts after when a wagon formed?

Tierce, do you think quadz is the cop?

Yes. Who are you killing?

I'm not sure. I was going to kill quadz so you can see my indecision. >.> The way this is playing out, probably whichever of SD or quadz doesn't get lynched if the lynched one flips town.

When did you claim to have a vig shot? If you do, you do realise Titus lightrodded/global roleblocked all night actions last night so you can't kill. Has he clarified what happens if you waste a shot if you get it back?

So it boils down to a choice of either Quadz or SafetyDance.

If there was any town roleblocker that blocked Quadz - probably the best to claim that now.

And given the claimed abilities, macho cop vs JoAT who's used up all his abilities, it becomes an fairly easy choice. (If I was voting based on reads alone, I would vote Quadz - but it's 1:1 where we lose more if we're wrong about Quadz)

Unvote. Vote: SafetyDance

No it doesn't because you're not considering 1) your own reads or 2) that my claim doesn't contradict Quadz, Quadz is counter-claiming I didn't do what I say I did. It's not a clear 1v1. So why is preferring to lynch me the option here?

Of the two, I'd lean to voting SD (duh). Even if SD tracked Quadz last night, he should have tracked him to himself not to nowhere. I'm having trouble seeing what a scum quadz gains by lying to get SD lynched when it will only put his lynch off for a day.

You can track a player to yourself? Well that makes it easy. Quadz is either lying or been roleblocked.

As of right now, SD/quadz could be T v T. If SD is a total fuckup and misdid his actions, then he can be town while quadz is town. Getting clarity from SD should be the priority. If SD cannot be clear, then I see no harm in following Messiah's approach. If SD is scum, he'll have to make up actions and be caught. If quadz is lying, he will most likely be caught fudging the night claim. After all, all cops should receive my flavor name tonight.

(Of course, this doesn't rule out rolecops or scum joats, but it will be pretty close imo).

Yes it could be T v T, as only scum would know, but how if I fucked up my actions? I

TRACKED

last night. I got a

RESULT

. There is no fuck up, there is no need to clarify, we spent most of the fucking day on it. The only fuck up is Quadz' opinion and whether it's town wrong or scum motivated.

[SafetyDance]

Tammy, I am a one night global roleblocker.

When I trigger

, it will be obvious as all cops get my flavorname instead of their result.

Erm:

"Come. Come kill me if you can."

Try and kill me Alchemist. Just try. Bring your buddies Safety Dance and quadz.

Haven't you already claimed this is the phrase and it's already in use Titus?

This is Victarion not Varys Blackfyre, Benmage, he's already claimed it all.

and a joat with a roleblock

(Scumfuck!)

It really is amazing how quick your reads change. Yourself, Garruk, Kanye and Agar biggest culprits this game.

I voted you as soon as it was clear you had fucked up your fakeclaim. *shrug*

I didn't fuck it up and that still doesn't explain why if you are a cop with that result you didn't care beforehand, especially when all bar yourself had departed the wagon, or come and out your result before you were at L-2.

SD, do you have any cop action left?

I sincerely hope you mean Quadz here. Seriously, the Titus from Light-kun mafia was not this stupid. Were you just riding on the pony-tail of Dashie that game?

[quadz08]

You clearly fucked it up, thought your attempt to say you didn't is admirable. Very determined.

I

did not receive a result last night

. I didn't get a guilty on you. I was roleblocked, and I think you are the one who roleblocked me. Why the

fuck

would I out myself as cop unless I'm being run up or I've got a 100% guilty result on someone? That would be exceptionally dumb.

[SafetyDance]

Why? Lol:

*sigh* basic mafia theory, man. You out tracks if they give you pseudo-guilties, not pseudo-innocents,

unless another claim contradicts your results

or it's fullclaim time.

Curious to see how he responds to Garruk's question.

So you don't subscribe to your own advice.

I've always had my story straight and never confused what I did. I didn't fuck up, you haven't proved it, no one has, and you haven't even attempted to.

For someone so experienced it's incredibly lazy and bad play.

[SafetyDance]

I'm not sure what I can do to change minds, I mean, if you choose me so be it but if I did die I'd rather it be because Quadz is definitely scum and not because he's town and people have reverted back to derping this whole block/track n2/3 thing.

FMPOV, all those people who were voting quatdz before despite the fact he was tracked to going nowhere and you thought he was scum - why aren't you still on him now if this is a 1v1? He's the counter-claim and you're meant to have had a scum read on him? Doesn't weigh up.

I don't know what else. If you lynch me, when I flip, you'll know there's a scum roleblocker out there and it guarantees you have to kill quadz one way or the other (vig or lynch) which has the potential to lose two townies. If Quadz goes first then you will know if he's scum trying to save his own ass for one night, or if he flips town you will still know if there's a roleblocker out there and it doesn't necessarily mean I'm scum because my track result matches with what Quadz claimed, so there'd be no need to lynch there.

So it all comes backs to me NOT tracking last night...and you all unvoted before when you were complaining about you thinking I tracked when I used the block, so it's accepted then for people to jump off and look elsewhere but not now despite quadz claimed result showing he did exactly what I said he did last? Occam's Razor here would be we're both town since we both have the same story. If he's pushing the me lying story, then he should be the one lynched for it.

As for people wanting the day over quick, why wouldn't you want to take all the time you can for discussion? So what if it goes to deadline, if you're (town you're) already decided then it makes it even easier.

Anyway I'm knackered. Night.

[Titus]

VOTE: SafetyDance

I did trigger with that phrase. No good came of outing that though. I never ever claimed my flavor unless Zdenek did.


Also in Lightkun's game it was shorter and I had a scum qt telling me what th fuck was going on.