Mewbie 1442 the second -- Game over

[CrisP]

I point you to: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... _a_good_IC and in particular

Don't lurk:

Lurking kills newbie games. There are only 7-9 players in the game as is, so there are a decreased number of people posting in the game to begin with. Do not subtract from that number. Make an effort to post in the game, and post regularly. As an IC you are at least partially responsible for the flow of the game, because very often the other players in the game will not understand why more discussion is a good thing. You want to lead by example. Secondly, you want to give the newbies a good first experience. GAMES WHERE NO ONE IS POSTING ARE NOT FUN. Give them a fun game. Give yourself a fun game. Don't lurk.

Newbies get paralyzed all the time, trying to sort out what happens next. When ICs lurk, it provides an example that this is 'how it's done' on this site, which hurts every game they will be in in the future until/unless they learn otherwise. - Mr. Flay

[goodmorning]

Games where only one person is posting aren't fun either.

Any one player can only do so much for activity.

[Malakittens]

Prodding Rach and jmo. Iamdrrobot is forgiven due to v/la.

[Malakittens]

Vote Count 1.05

With 9 alive it's 5 votes to lynch.

Voting for:

*CrisP - Goodmorning [1]
*guyinfreezer - Buckwild [1]
*goodmorning - jmo16mla [1]
*IamDrRobot - Nachomamma8 [1]
*jmo16mla -
*DiamondCrash -
*Buckwild - GuyInFreezer, DiamondCrash [2]
*RachMarie -
*Nachomamma8 -

Not voting: IamDrRobot, RachMarie, CrisP [3]

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2013-11-12 20:39:00)

[RachMarie]

prodding me the day after my V/LA ends

ok will catch up and see why this game has been so sluggish (only 6 pages???)

[Nachomamma8]

DC doesn't seem that town this game.

[GuyInFreezer]

preodf dodgfew

[CrisP]

DC doesn't seem that town this game.

why?

[jmo16mla]

Whoops. I'm here.

[GuyInFreezer]

gm y r u still voting CrisP

[jmo16mla]

VOTE: chrisp

[GuyInFreezer]

^
bad vote

[goodmorning]

gm y r u still voting CrisP

Good question.

Vote: Jmo

[jmo16mla]

^
bad vote

It served its point.

VOTE: gm

[goodmorning]

For the record, my vote has nothing to do with your CrisP vote.

[jmo16mla]

Its got something to do with me continually calling you scum? because that's just about all i can remember doing in this game.

[RachMarie]

ok in reading the first couple of pages something stuck out at me

Crisp why would you vote and get on DC saying he was lying about being a VT last game? So was I. At most we have 2 PRs for town and can just have one. Sometimes the mafia also has a PR sometimes both are goons. That is in the matrix set up in the OP.

[CrisP]

Because I thought the setup was the same as the one posted in the forum thread, not that you would pick a row or a column and fill the rest with vanilla town or mafia goons as explained in the wiki.

If that would have been the case then there was just one vanilla town (me), hence DC could not have been one also.

As to why I thought that was pertinent to this game, see my post 46 in answer to JM.

Now Rach, you could have easily gathered this information without asking by reading, I actually made a summary for you on post 120, so my question to you is why are you asking me to explain this again?

Regarding the JM vs GM issue, it would help a lot if you posted reasons for what you are doing instead of just saying someone is scum. I'm in favor of putting the heat on JM, GM has been under observation for a while now and most people I have in my "very tentative" town circle, seem to be ok with her for now, JM on the other hand hasn't really been questioned and has just been giving random statements without explaining himself. The same goes for BW, I wouldn't mind upping the pressure on him either.

[RachMarie]

I read through the posts from last point thats why. I use that mostly and only reread the whole thing or ISOs sometimes when I feel I need more info.

Which is why I am rereading from the beginning now

[RachMarie]

Of course we are all fishing at the moment GM, still you could try to be proactive instead of defensive, I liked the vote on me plus discussion, given my mistake about the game setup last time it's reasonable, but you could have elaborated more and after that you spent your time defending yourself, which is not pro town in my eyes, there's not much you can say to defend yourself at the start so you might as well show you are town by helping and ignore the random heat (if you're town).

Newb scum like to unvote quickly when they realize they're wrong. Typically they don't move their vote to someone. I'm keeping my eyes on Chrisp, but he's town right now.

I'm new on mafiascum but I have played a lot of IRL mafia for years.

In my opinion newbs lurk, especially if they are mafia

. I want to point out to BW, since he didn't believe me at the time, that following that rule last game we would have found the two mafia after 40 posts day 1.

Not here. Lurking tends to be a nulltell on MS. There are newbtown and newbscum tells, but lurking is not one of them. I sometimes lurk when RL is being a PITA, and my fiance is a notorious lurker. (NS as in Nobody Special, not notscience).


However I am getting a towny feel for you even if there are things you are offbase on. like the above. You go in the town pile.

[RachMarie]

wow just wow this game

ok all caught up. GM would love more from you since you are the IC and I dont want to step on your toes here


uggh sorry your laptop got stolen that totally sucks Nacho Post when you can I need to peg if you are scum or town in this game ASAP.


Now that you are back from V/LA, IDR I would like to hear more from you.


jmo so you were scumz last round eh? Could you explain why you think GM is scum?

[CrisP]

Not here. Lurking tends to be a nulltell on MS. There are newbtown and newbscum tells, but lurking is not one of them. I sometimes lurk when RL is being a PITA, and my fiance is a notorious lurker. (NS as in Nobody Special, not notscience).

However I am getting a towny feel for you even if there are things you are offbase on. like the above. You go in the town pile.

If this is the case on MS then towns in MS need to step up their game, lurking is not an acceptable town practice. I don't think this is the case though, having meta'd a few people and read some of the award winning threads. Whether you are saying this to justify your general play, GIF called you a notorius lurker, or because you are mafia and want to avoid putting attention on the other quiet people and yourself is a question town should ponder. My opinion is that it's more the first than the second, here's why.

However I am getting a towny feel for you even if there are things you are offbase on. like the above. You go in the town pile.

wow just wow this game

ok all caught up. GM would love more from you since you are the IC and I dont want to step on your toes here


uggh sorry your laptop got stolen that totally sucks Nacho Post when you can I need to peg if you are scum or town in this game ASAP.


Now that you are back from V/LA, IDR I would like to hear more from you.


jmo so you were scumz last round eh? Could you explain why you think GM is scum?

This analysis, after you read all the posts, is honestly not great, you basically sheep me but there are two small bits of content that make me like you a bit better:

1. Pinging Nacho is original content and either a good mafia play, I specifically left Nacho out from my pressure post above to see who would pick up on it, his MO can be described in exactly the same way as JM's

2. Pointing out that IamDr's V/LA has endeed and he hasn't posted yet is also a good point, it's also not consistent of the RM trying to avoid putting attention on quiet people, I still wanted to bring up the possibility because not knowing you I am not confident enough of my reads and I want the rest of town to have as much information as possible.

[CrisP]

I did not finish one sentence, too tired:

1. Pinging Nacho is original content and either a good mafia play or standard town, I specifically left Nacho out from my pressure post above to see who would pick up on it and him, because I believe he is a good town ping at the moment, his MO can be described in exactly the same way as JM's after all.

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: goodmorning

poor thing to jump on.

I called it a poor thing to jump on because the joke vote of the person who ruined the game last time isn't really worthy of comment, and isn't likely to get any good reactions. GiF and I's cross-voting spree on one another was in order to feel each other out (we've played together enough times where we can occasionally get a good read based on how awkwardly the other is responding to us), Buck isn't expected to have any avenues like that to explore, but I didn't like GM ignoring the early exchange, especially since she's familiar with at least one of the members of it.

ugh why is this game actively trying to be as baffling as possible?

This was a little town because I would expect gm-scum to be posturing for a mislynch by now, but it was still strange that she didn't do anything that could actually help advance the game (question any of the newb's oddities or the oddities of GiF and I). GiF picked up on this in his next post.

Two reasons:

- I didn't see nacho's post about who was scum until after I wrote it (from my phone), and had I seen it I would still not know for sure if what he said is true.

- Why would he lie about his role were he town, he has no incentive do to so, were he mafia he might, plus it's often telling how people react when caught in a lie.

I don't understand why you didn't answer the question with "it was a joke".

Vote: CrisP

Discuss.

Trying to get the game started this way was another weak attempt, which GiF again picked up in his next post. Things like this require other people to contribute in order to advance the game state; there are much better approaches you can take in order to do good stuff like that.

In serious as hell about my vote on GM though.

I'm liking the earneesty of jmo's push on goodmorning so far, especially since she looks pretty scummy at this point in time.

Seriously though, GIF is definite scum. This guy is just acting like his scum moves are whatever when its just a cover up. Please vote GIF.

This conviction is what separates Buckwild for me from last game, but I don't think it's a bad difference. I think it's a difference between Buckwild trying to reaction test people and figure them out and Buckwild being the one who is being reaction tested.

I am also leaning Town on DC, though not the biggest fan of his mild buddying attempts on me.

I have a strong meta for townreading people who attack people who are townreading them. As scum, you're less likely to strike out against your supporters and more likely to strike out against your detractors; it's akin to survival instinct. Town, however, very often has thoughts of people cozying up to them in order to buy their support and thus this paranoid flash gives me a slight town read on goodmorning.

I did not finish one sentence, too tired:

1. Pinging Nacho is original content and either a good mafia play or standard town, I specifically left Nacho out from my pressure post above to see who would pick up on it and him, because I believe he is a good town ping at the moment, his MO can be described in exactly the same way as JM's after all.

True!

[Nachomamma8]

If you read between the lines in that post, good reads that I've picked up on so far is townreads on GiF, ChrisP, goodmorning, jmo, and Buckwild. This leaves the To Sort group as something like Rach, Diamond, Robot. So, I'm going to go through their posts now!