Big Brother: HoH Mafia (We have a winner at last)

[BBmolla]

Also, hold the phone, how will this game even work at LYLO, the HoH can't vote can he?

...Or am I retarded

[BBmolla]

who

I don't believe that there is a scum godfather and we investigated the scum GF by CO-INCIDENCE. The push for your investigation wasn't initiated by scum.

You could argue that he's the one who suggested it

[Voidedmafia]

Also, hold the phone, how will this game even work at LYLO, the HoH can't vote can he?

...Or am I retarded

Just to clarify, if it reaches LyLo the HoH acts as the decider, like if the two nominees were cross-voting.

[BBmolla]

ty

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Mod, I'll be V/LA till next Saturday.

[Voidedmafia]

Votecount 9.02:

Not Voting - Toog, BBmolla, Minions, f-16

With 4 alive it takes 3 to elect an HoH.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-11-16 00:14:06) or by 11:15 PM on November 15th, 2013.

[Minions]

Not a lot I can really add for the next week then.

It's become clear that today is between me and f16 in the same way yesterday was Titus and f16.

Bbmolla is bring auto cleared by f16, I have toog as the most likely town of the three of you.

And so since this is the case i am not comfortable with pointing a finger at someone not able to immediately defend himself.

All I will do therefore is check every so often to see if one if you has asked a question to us, otherwise I think you two need to decide who will risk HoH and who will take the responsibility of making the choice for lynch.

[Minions]

And if you want my advice on that decision, f16 is unlikely to kill the guy he is buddying so bbmolla you are less likely to die if there is another kill pending.

And I would suggest that bbmolla works with toog to choose who you want to lynch, that way we have two opinions and no perceived bias.

For now, toodles.

[Toogeloo]

The way I want this played out is that I want Minions as HoH and F-16 and molla on the block. I'm confident it's one of them as the last scum. I'm just questioning whether molla bussed his entire team on Day 1 or not.

Minions do me a favor and iso both molla and F-16 with me over the week and give me your impressions.

[Minions]

Yeah I can get on that tonight if I get a chance (basically if the kids settle in bed okay). Will start with molla as I've spoke a lot about f16 already.

[Minions]

OK... LOL.

This is gonna take a little while I believe. This is BBMolla for day 1:

Opening post and an opening vote for Toasty for being reliable.
Refuses the hoh position ‘until i find scum’.
Town reads blackberry followed by ‘everybody who has posted so far’ which covers minions, Titus, bulba and Jake. No explanation for these reads given.
Dismisses talk of theory due to it being unhelpful to the game, lays out a straightforward choose the hoh and lynch choice before the hoh chooses two nominees.
Dismissive of bulba’s early idea of nominations with a clear reason to his negative view.
Responds to attack from peacebringer regarding his dislike of theory talk with same reasoning for disliking it given before. Doesn’t attack back.
Remarks in the middle of our arguement with bulba and jake regarding lynching inactives with a bit of a fluffy ‘you haven’t played with him before’ comment.
Then there is a couple of back and forth needly comments between him and peacebringer. All quite petty and pointless in the grand scheme of things too. Suddenly backs off PB, and also flips his opinion of toasty. Backs Jake for HoH now.
A comment then at 104 that i cant work out whether its sarcasm or real. Either still needling with PB or now suddenly ok with him.
Titus engages him on the same post and he gets snarky with titus over it. Attacks titus over non specific opinion. Its a very odd overreaction actually which causes toasty to also suspect BBmolla.
A sustained arguement with toasty breaks out over the titus interactions, given BBmollas opening this has been a strange set of posts overall because he has blown up on a comment that shows someone soft suspecting him and goes over the cliff about it. Then clarifies overreaction is not a scumtell, which i disagree with first and foremost but also seems to be trying to box out the arguement as the attacks against him focus on his overreaction.
PB seems to intervene siding with BBmolla... which again is an odd turnaround from wherte this whole thing kicked off from.
Further arguing with toasty, this time about the value of meta.
Drops the toasty arguement and refocuses on titus as scum. Asks toasty his opinion of titus.
Then a string of posts where he starts townreading several people including titus... the flip flopping is in overdrive!
Begins to scum read rachmarie
Advises us not to bother arguing with bulba because he never backs down in his experience.
Suspicion of desp and accuses him of buddying.
Makes a claim that he has too many townreads, and then in post 323 finally declares scum reads which subsequently turns out to contain 2 town and 2 scum... yet the two scum in his list he had made almost no reference to and had never actually pointed to suspicion of them.
Has a lighter scum read on PB, yet PB was the person he had argued with first before both backed off.
Post 332 is very interesting. Lists the order to lynch his scum reads in... with the first being the only town player in his list. If i were to place BBmolla as scum this could be seen as tactical to allow him to write off the other three based on his ‘bad read of rachmarie’.
A few GIFs to lighten the mood.
Post 405 is all change again, with gnomeo now number 1 suspect and bulba 2. Rach is now only possible scum (maybe a lack of traction on her for a lynch?)
A decent reaction to the day killing, seems genuine and not an overblown reaction.
Still pushing gnomeo as scum. At no point have i seen a reason, others have pushed the gnomeo case but bbmolla simply keeps calling him scum.
And finishes the day pushing hard for gnomeo and bulba.

There is a lot of town elements to the day 1 posts and some scum ones too.
TOWN:
I see a lot of flip flopping with reads changing drastically. Thats pretty townie to me as it draws attention to you doing so.
A genuine looking reaction to the day kill of jake.
Has definite reads on people, never seems to fluff post or dance around opinions of people.

SCUM:
The PB encounter feels off. They both seem to pull their punches when you compare it to the fight with toasty BBmolla had, and its one of the few reluctant reads BBmolla has at times.
The list of scum reads whereby rachmarie was the first choice which suddenly changes in the face of the mood of the game and then a full on focus on gnomeo and bulba without ever showing suspicion on them before he names them in his scumteam guess and never ever cases or expands on those reads... All very reactionary.


I will come back to this tomorrow if I get a chance, and continue on, but need to get some sleep now. If ihad hydra heads to take some of this on then it wouldn't be an issue, but since I hve been playing the majority of this game solo (thanks guys) you will have to bear with me.

[Toogeloo]

I will begrudgingly take up HoH if molla and F-16 prefer me over Minions, but just know that I will be putting the two of you up and letting Minions decide who is evicted.

[BBmolla]

Yeah alright.

[Minions]

My apologies to the pair of you, something has come up for me in RL (quite bad) that will require my time.

Under the circumstances of me being abandoned by my other heads I have to say I'm V/LA for a day or two for now.

I will prod the other heads but if you don't hear from me I can only apologise, some things are just more important.

[BBmolla]

It's fine, we got time.

[Minions]

Yeah, uhm this head hasntbeen keeping up at all..

Will try to read, but currently Im enrolling into college now, so this may take a while

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Okay, since I have more time than I expected, I think it is only fair to "cancel" my V/LA so to speak. I had a huge project due on Friday that was extended to Monday so I'll probably post more now but lesser as time goes by.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Makes a claim that he has too many townreads, and then in post 323 finally declares scum reads which subsequently turns out to contain 2 town and 2 scum... yet the two scum in his list he had made almost no reference to and had never actually pointed to suspicion of them.

This is true though. He never does telegraph his scumreads on Bulbazak and Gnomeo. They appear out of nowhere completely.

[BBmolla]

That's because it was probably the result of me ISOing them that day and not liking them.

[Voidedmafia]

Toogeloo has been prodded. (expired on 2013-11-08 03:36:19)

[Toogeloo]

Mod poked me, I feel violated. There was no Vaseline involved either.

F-16 and molla need to determine who they prefer to have as HoH out of either Minions or myself. Minions and I need to figure out which of F-16 or molla is most likely scum. I will not be going down the paranoia route of maybe the only PR in the game is Scum Cop, don't try to sell me on it.

[Minions]

OK, number 1 minions head is back soi will now go on to day 2 for Molla.

Given how long this is going to take with all the posts that have been provided, toog do you want to analyse F16, BBmola do you want to analyse me and f16 do you want to go over toog?

I only suggest that because me and f16 have confbias on eachother so to try and getsome form of measured analysis and sce ive alredy started with BBmolla we can have a set of overall game reads. Im sure no one wants a snap vote here, and have a week I think before deadline, so lets get everyone looked at.

Overall I still think game ends with F16 being lynched, but im not gonna just sit on my hands because of this belief, and I will finish this analysis.

[Minions]

Okay, so to day 2:
Starts off with an immediate imperium vote, a further push on bulba with clear indication that he is his strongest scum read and questions why desperado was put up for nomination with gnomeo.
First to suggest the vote claims to assess if they tally, responds to to concerns over the numbers potentially not adding up with a dismissive “if it don’t add up, it don’t add up” but then amusingly comments 5 posts later “Yeah i was wondering why the numbers didn’t add up”. I think he was actually referencing the votecount but in ISO it looks funny and contradictory
First concerning post of the day and its at #637 where BBmolla cannot answer why he suspects bulba. A really awkward feeling exchange where molla asks him to “do more town stuff, maybe ill change my mind?”
A push for answers on Rachmarie and F16 over them voting for desperado rather than gnomeo.
Post #640 – says he has a one shot vote check. Will return to this but don’t remember this ever being clarified as true or not, will see if it comes up later.
Focuses on rachmarie for scum who he had suspected on day 1, so consistency there.
A question to toasty asking why he aint reading the game. Follows this up with soft suspicion on toasty over meta.
Back to bulba and tells him who not to push on if scum (?). Starts to point out the scum motivation to bulba’s posts, so finally putting a reason to why he suspects bulba as scum so strongly... but this still doesn’t cover where the early certainty came from.
Returns to a point where he points out bulbazak going i told you so over claiming gnomeo is scum, and then to a post where BBmolla suggests that if gnomeo flips scum then bulbazak will play on that bus for town cred... What concerns me about that series of posts is how perfect it all sits for them all. It might simply be that BBmolla made a great call over bulbazaks intentions on day 1, but given molla had no idea why he suspected bulbazak but immediately remembered that post something doesn’t sit right here with me.
#701 and when pressed about PB he keeps rachmarie in the list of suspects but removes desperado for PB. This is very consistent with what he has been saying up to now.
#703 offers himself for HoH under the threat of an L-1 killer, either very noble or tactical.
A suggestion that only 2 of the three other scum would be on the depserado wagon. A sound theory about who was the liar on the voting. But with rachmarie being town, that leaves F16 and Toog as the only two unknowns on the despaerado wagon from night 1. You can take this two ways, with the first being that the theory is sound and F16 is indeed the other scum. Or BBmolla and the rest of the mafia tactically aimed to bus gnomeo and iceguy didn’t get the message (did he replace in during night phase?). The fact he assumes a confused iceguy is interesting when the other option for the liar is his top scum read in bulbazak... why so sure it was iceguy?
#721 Enquires who imperium intend to put up.
#742 is interesting. BBmolla agrees we can run him up as HoH if imperium dies, but they are a strong hydra and it would suck to lose them.
Clarifies his scum reads that he would put up (bulba and rachmarie) and then takes issue with titus for suggesting he would put up molla for nomination. Defnds against titus’s issue with him by claiming his view is in the minority and he is a popular backup hoh choice.
Calls for Imperium to return because he is under suspicion.
Further presses the L-1 killing theory and then town clears desperado over the voting situation. Immediately changes that town read on desperado the the very next post (762 reads him as town, 763 claims he could still be scum).
Casts suspicion on us as well as desperado based on his wagon analysis theory.
Tries to clarify the desperado townread which immediately was rescinded by saying he was showing titus his theory was actually wrong.
Speculates that the day killing isn’t likely unlimited, between 1-3 shots. Settles on 2 shot after debate with imperium.
Takes charge of the day by demanding lynch orders from everyone.
A weird exchange where bulba claims if he was scum he would have saved the vig shots and BBmolla thanks him for the information.
Town reads desperado again. The consistency he was having with reads has gone the other way at least with regards to desperado. Backs up the town read by clarifying a post he based it on, although his willingness to assume what desperado is commenting on is right concerns me. For a start, the ‘3 scum votes on me’ arguement wouldn’t work if desperado was also scum because only 2 scum votes would have been active (desp not being able to vote either as a nominee). Nor does it match with what bbmolla has based a lot of his scum hunting on for day 2, so to just assume a guy he had suspicion on is telling the truth seems odd.
Begins to alter his opinion of bulba. Admits the reasoning for the change of heart is stupid.
Refers to gnomeos t/s list, pointing to the null reads on his now top two suspects. Uses this to further clear bulba and point suspicion at us again, although still only soft suspicion.
Gets a townread on f16.
Suddnely flips on toasty to scum read him over a post where he questions voting in the same HoH twice. Immediately backs off the read.

OK, so thats day 2. Again its torn reads, because there is a lot of consistency, a lot of input and proactivity and yet there are those hindsight reads when you see him attack bulbazak, admit he isn’t sure why, start to form a case and then start to town read him. There is also the day killing discussion that seems a bit concerning, and the continual pressing for imperium to clarify his reads/nominations.

Over the 2 days i have covered so far i can see an arguement for BBmolla being mafia but if he is he is playing a very good gambit. His consistency on most of his reads and opinions even under scrutiny is very townish, and the only inconsistency at present is with regards to Bulbazak and desperado. With desperado flipping town that bodes well for BBmolla.

Hopefully i will get more clarity on this from day 3/4. If i was put on the spot now its a town read, but those things that stand out in hindsight cannot be ignored until i have made the full analysis.

[BBmolla]

Yo, I'm like here and stuff, I can address anything you want, just keep that in mind

[BBmolla]

It's worth noting that me and Bulba have a history.

Newbie 1333 - ScumBulba was attacking me all game, his buddy (who I was chummy with) said he was town and to ignore him. At the end it was between him and a lurker and I chose him to win.
NY 163 - TownBulba and TownDGB had a stupid ass back and forth that wouldn't end. I was pretty sure Bulba was town, but needed DGB to stop derping. So me and nacho made a deal, we lynch Bulba, she lynches the person we wanted (who actually was scum)

There's some others but these are the notables, feel free to look through them.

Initially I thought this was Bulba from Newbie 1333 with shitty logic and I felt like he wasn't making quite the presence TownBulba did.

But then I reread TownBulba's play in the nightless and thought it matched up pretty well here and my read flipped.

Make any sense?