Marketplace Mafia III - Game Over

[ProHawk]

Seanald, why aren't you voting?

[Lord Mhork]

So I'm starting to get this scum read on KingdomAces. Anyone else feeling that?

[KingdomAces]

Yes, several people have already mentioned it, though I don't think anyone has stated any reasons except for the fact that I'm useless and behind in this game. I'm trying to fix that, but as I said earlier, it's a process.

[morph the cat]

So I'm starting to get this scum read on KingdomAces. Anyone else feeling that?

Anything from Tammy about our reads list?

[KingdomAces]

Looked over BBMolla, and he doesn't seem to different from what I've seen of him elsewhere. A lot of one liners, spamming multiple posts in a row instead of consolidating into one post. The main difference is he doesn't seem quite as antagonistic as I remember him being. That could be because he isn't completely sure of anything this game, or I'm just remembering incorrectly, but there's definitely a possibility that he's playing carefully to try to get less heat than he normally does.

Most of what ProHawk's talked about this game has been theory. Ignoring all of that, the main things left are his continual suspicion of Morph and his townlist which among other people consisted if Pyro, who would go on to get killed, and Dr. Pepper. The first thing I'll say is that he's probably not scum with DP, and I don't think I need to explain that. The way he pressed Morph all game see,s like he's actually truing to get them to think and be more useful, which I don't think he would do as scum unless he knew Morph was scum as well, so he's a townlean as long as Morph still looks town.

Spoiler: Current Readlist.

Town:

PeregrineV
pieguyn
Ghostly Penguin
1baldeagle1

Townlean:

Lost Butterfly
Harakiri
zMuffinMan
ProHawk
Lord Mhork

Null-Town

morph the cat

More analyisis required:

VoidedMafia
Nero Cain
JacobSavage

Null-Scum

Garuda
BBmolla
uʍop ǝpısdn

Scumlean

Seanald

Unfortunately for me, this means I pretty much have to attempt to analyze Nero the next time I'm on, because I'm running out of other people.

[Voidedmafia]

What causes you to take interest in players?

Am I wrong in thinking that nearly all of JS's posts are about Faramina? That's what it feels like, and I don't like it.

We haven't liked any of his pushes all game. He seems to jump from voting X to voting Y with a weird lack of continuity, bouncing from ProHawk to baldeagle to Harakiri Day 1 with little substance to his votes.

Nope.

His Hermy vote in #749 was especially flimsy. He didn't sound like he was voting scum, he sounded chiding.

I can't vote scum and sound chiding at the same time (even though I don't think I sounded chiding)?

And I was agreeing with the opinion that was previously put forth about it because it was said before I was able to say it myself. I'm sorry that I was effectively sheeping there?

We also thought it seemed like he was trying to get us to push a case on baldeagle for his bad VCA.

How is this scummy? I expected more elaboration when you called it pointless. You didn't do that, so I questioned you about it.

in particular, his habit of quoting posts and going, "Ohhhh, you're looking SCUMMIER! This looks even scummier than that"' is very gutpingy and makes me uneasy

How is this scummy? Would you rather I not say where I think things put people in my scumreads in comparison to each other?

I don't think he produces much original stuff in terms of scumhunting as well, he seems to be reacting to what other people have said whether it's about him or not rather than seeking out new things.

I have more than a few dozen posts over the course of the game that involve talking about thing that aren't myself (including the one that'll top this post). How is that not "seeking out new things"?

and I also like what Lost Butterfly said in #1525, that 'some of the points in his walls have been insincere and opportunistic

I feel like I grilled people about this and maybe they responded but I don't recall. Are you guys actually keeping in mind that during the weekdays I am usually completely unable to access this thread and that there might be more than 3 pages that I need to catch up on that might hold pertinent information, which only looks suspect if you look at this from only the perspective of when I post?

Whats wrong Cat? Don't like that I dont trust you?

A.) This is it from you now?

B.) Why would you say this?

lots of the questions he's asking / statements he's making are either out of place or just plain pointless.

Again, refer to the fact that I may be asking questions after the main time to post them is gone because

I'm not there

.

The claim and like his first three posts were town. Then he disappeared (which he did all over the site, so is unrelated to alignment).

This is referring to zdenek, yes?

Actually, let's try something for a bit:

VOTE: ProHawk

Um, what is this going to achieve?

About as bad as your read that I am "disengaged" when there are other more disengaged people?

That's a rather disingenuous argument, though I think Morph explained themselves well enough (or herself, since I think ffery posted then) below.

Do you think I am more scum than Voided?

Now THIS is a stupid question <_< If you were reading Morph's most recent posts about me you should already know what the answer to this is.

[ProHawk]

A) What else do you want?

B) It was explained here

C) Does posting so that people want to lynch you regardless of alignment usually work well for you?

D) Stupid is as stupid does. It was a question to make a point that I am not pressing/going after Morph because I feel like Seanald is more scum than they are, just like they think you are more scum than I am.

[Voidedmafia]

I suppose I didn't word that correctly. What I meant was you specifically stated, twice, that your argument had nothing to do with your alignment, and you would have done the same as either. Not exactly disavowing ownership, but still giving the same "nothing to see here, move on" kind of feeling.

Not necessarily MY alignment, but Hawk's as well. Discussing the merits of lynching at deadline vs. no-lynching and our opinions on the matter doesn't strike me as an argument that will help either person get a read on the other, or for anyone else to get a read on the two+ people involved. Perhaps you could based on the motivations behind the argument and how it started, but not on the argument itself.

Like I said, I've done it before, and when I did I wasn't paying attention to reason whatsoever. I know this probably doesn't help you see what I'm talking about, but I can't really describe it.

No, not really. The most I think I got out of this is that you're saying you and he are/were tunneling (possibly deathtunneling) on your target.

I may have forgotten about that temporarily, but scum cannot bus in this setup due to money issues. One scum is already down. If he's scum and thinks that you are on the other team, he's still not going to be acting the way he is.

I guess I'm not quite getting your reasoning for thinking that Bald-Rightscum wouldn't be attacking VM-leftscum like this (or Bald-leftscum to VM-Rightscum). I understand the "no bussing" part, though.

Oh, and you should check out this game if you are going to just claim a meta tell on me. Otherwise, I would love to hear why my "disengaged" play is scum-play.

This argument does not give me warm feelings at all. I equally dislike how I can't think of a good way to articulate why I think so beyond what Ghostlin kinda says directly below this post.

Do you feel like I am lurking? You have an anger management issue.

Right now? Yes.

And to use a point from UD's argument against me, your posts this page don't really have a lot to do with things that aren't involving yourself.

Lord Mhork is kinda scummy to me, mostly out of omgus, he also posted a brush off post on the deadline activation page.
So did Baldeagle. So I'm scum reading them off of that, cuz im positive scum posted on that page.
voided fits in that pile as well, for sounding like he is trying to hard, and for posting on deadline activation page.

That's a really, really broad argument to put on people. I'm fairly sure more than half a dozen people posted around that time, and that's just off the top of my head. Why are we more likely to be scum beyond the fact that we posted around the same time that deadline was announced?

Also, if everyone else had a null-scum read on you, then why would they all be giving you money?

Lol. He got ya there, N.

This post from Aces also helps my townread on him.

) What else do you want?

Maybe I'm thinking too much of how I pretty much have to do things nowadays, but I was expecting...more.

My choices are either sit by and do nothing, or make a comment on how your read sounds fabricated given the current situation. If you are town, the fact that I am slightly scum-reading you/suspicious of your slot/paranoid, should factor into your read, which you seem to be playing off that it doesn't and instead want to spin it as a dumb/scummy/OMGUSy question. If you want me to go into more of why your reasoning about me being scum is silly, I would be more than happy to.

Okay...If that's the case, why would you almost snidely ask if they don't trust you?

C) Does posting so that people want to lynch you regardless of alignment usually work well for you?

Are you referring to my own posts here? This is a price born of necessity, not something I wish to be doing all the time.

But no, I don't.

D) Stupid is as stupid does. It was a question to make a point that I am not pressing/going after Morph because I feel like Seanald is more scum than they are, just like they think you are more scum than I am.

...And you can't push on Morph at the same time as Seanald?

[morph the cat]

A) What else do you want?

B) It was explained here

C) Does posting so that people want to lynch you regardless of alignment usually work well for you?

D) Stupid is as stupid does. It was a question to make a point that I am not pressing/going after Morph because I feel like Seanald is more scum than they are,

just like they think you are more scum than I am

.

If you think we are scum, then I doubt you mean the bolded.

[ProHawk]

Please define lurking Voided. You will find that I often can be just that: snide. If more is what you want then you need to be more specific. Nope, I can't push both at the same time and my posts have been about Seanald whom is not directly tied to myself, so eat your words son.

Morph, I don't get what you are trying to get at because I meant every word of what I said.

[morph the cat]

Please define lurking Voided. You will find that I often can be just that: snide. If more is what you want then you need to be more specific. Nope, I can't push both at the same time and my posts have been about Seanald whom is not directly tied to myself, so eat your words son.

Morph, I don't get what you are trying to get at because I meant every word of what I said.

If we're scum then those are fabricated scum-reads. "think X is more scum than Y" is kind of meaningless in that context.

And if you are not scum and you think we are scum, how can you think our reads are anything but fabricated?

[BBmolla]

So I'm starting to get this scum read on KingdomAces. Anyone else feeling that?

Yes

Please join me so the wagon has some more credibility

[Voidedmafia]

Please define lurking Voided.

What does the definition of lurking have to do with what you say when you do post?

You will find that I often can be just that: snide.

I can be sarcastic, too. I just don't let it be the main thing in my posts (unless I'm angry at someone and want to be sarcastic then).

Nope, I can't push both at the same time

Why?

about Seanald whom is not directly tied to myself, so eat your words son.

One person out of 19-ish players, and one subject out of multiple. Try harder.

So I'm starting to get this scum read on KingdomAces. Anyone else feeling that?

So...what exactly am I looking for, here?

[Magua]

Prodded JacobSavage.

[Nero Cain]

If I weren't so lazy I could quote you where my cases are called shitty all the time. Its a really lazy point to begin with but you thinking that's a scumtell, much less a scumtell for me, is pants on head.

it isn't about the quality of your case, it's about how it was dismantled at the end of D1 and you still pushing it when it was nonsensical.

????

So when you said

the main reasons i think you're scum are that your contributions to the game, when you actually make contributions, are weak as shit. D1 your arguments for thinking harakiri was scum were bad

You lied by omission? So I was scummy for pushing a weak case and then when I called you on your shit you backpedaled and said it was 'cause I was still pushing said case which is more bullshit 'cause I don't remember pushing for a Natihanna lynch past day 1. Can you please quote this. Sure, I'll give you that I don't have a town read on it. You'll have to tell me your secrets about how you say things that are blatantly untrue and get away with them. #2 was still a solid point and blindly sheeping isn't and never will be good town play.

Who here has Hana/Nat scum experience?

Other than arguing with me, what would you claim your in game contributions are?

i don't think i've spent that much time arguing with you (proportionate to how much i've actually posted). how many of my posts have you read?

Nice dodge.

The rest of the scum is in my null pile

you have like 7? names in your null pile. i'm asking you to be more specific here. D3, 100+ pages. shouldn't be that hard.

Well this is rich. I don't really know your scum reads outside of me. Hawk I guess and maybe PV. Though outside of my big three I'd go (in no particular order)

Hara
Bald
KA

[Nero Cain]

ok and I read it another way so why is it scummy that I've read it differently?

Because you freaked out about it.

Ah yes. Another line from the mislynch Nero playbook. Do you know that I'm accused of overreacting like every game? Sean, town or scum, is correct that I get this kind of flak every game. Considering that you do have experience with me as scum (you were my mod) I'm rather surprised that you'd "scum read" me. How is my play the same as your game?

DP flipped scum, I know I'm town, I know I'm an easy mislynch target. Do you really think that scum wouldn't try to stop the DP scum lynch?

I won't deny that scum would likely stop a wagon on their partner, I'm just saying that that's honestly a bad and a bit too obvious way to try and do that. It could be reverse psychology or samething and it really is an attempt to derail the DP wagon, but I don't think it's enough to offset my LB townread (though I won't deny that Faraday's lack of produtiveness isn't assuring me much).

Bottom line is, I just don't see it the way you do.

ok. So who, if anyone, tried to detrail the DP wagon?

Well not today unless you are like a LB alt.

...Why would I have to be an LB alt?

*insert head desk jpg*

If they we so great then she wouldn't have flipped town.

The greatness of an argument has very little relation to the alignment of the person it's put to. Weak arguments can lynch scum and strong arguments can lynch town, just as weak arguments can lynch town while strong arguments can lynch scum.

No, I don't care if I'm answering for muffin because this argument is stupid.

I don't think you even really understand the argument.

Muffin called me scum for having a bad case on Hara. I told him hey wait a second "You guys mislynched, how was that a strong argument?" and then backtracked and said that it's that I was still pushing said case. What you just posted makes it sound like you don't consider a weak case to be scummy.

I already asked you once and I don't think you replied so lets try again. What are you voting me for?

Quote tag fixed.

[ProHawk]

I am going to make this a true debate only because I am getting fairly annoyed with you.

The definition of lurking is critical because you said I was lurking (hint: I am not lurking). Therefore you failing to define such a term only goes to show that you cannot support your argument.

One person out of 19-ish players, and one subject out of multiple. Try harder.

B) - You stated "your posts this page don't really have a lot to do with things that aren't involving yourself."

ISO 9 - Combination
ISO 12 - Combination.
ISO 24 - About me.
ISO 26 - Combination
ISO 29 - Combination
ISO 30 - About me.
ISO 34 - About me.
ISO 36 - Combination.
ISO 44 - About me.
ISO 45 - About me.
ISO 46 - Combination.
ISO 51 - About me.
ISO 56 - About me.
ISO 57 - About me.
ISO 60 - About me.
ISO 63 - About me.
ISO 64 - About me.

ISO 65 - About me.
ISO 66 - About me.
ISO 67 - About me.
ISO 68 - Combination.
ISO 75 - About me.
ISO 82 - About me.
ISO 83 - About me.
ISO 84 - About me.
ISO 90 - About me.

If you even count posts where there is a combination of content about other people included with my own... there are a total of 26 posts of my 95 total posts that are about me. If you look only at day three content... there are 9 posts out of 30. Not even half of my posts have been about myself. If you had actually been reading my posts, you would have realized that I have not

only

been talking about Seanald.

Conclusion: Your arguments are completely invalid and have been proven wrong. You are grasping at straws.

VOTE: VoidedMafia

[ProHawk]

Morph, Two things:

"just like they think you are more scum than I am"

That statement wasn't meant to imply that I thought your reads were coming from genuine town.

Secondly, this being multi-ball makes it quite possible for scum to genuinely scum-hunt for legit scum when they don't know the identity of said scum.

[Nero Cain]

Also I need to clarify that I'm taking a break so hopefully I don't come back to Muffin yelling and screaming that I've finished.

[Garuda]

I'm feeling pretty zen today after a bad day of job searching yesterday so let's get to work some ISOs starting with Harakiri.

In general, I like the fact that Natirasha was putting Sakura Hana at the forefront of their hydra on D1. Natirasha seems like a stronger scum player than Sakura, especially given the roster, so I feel as though they'd have taken the opposite approach as scum.

Not since the day started. Mostly my fault-Sakura's been posting in the QT. Weekends are hard for me sometimes. Zdenek isn't in the game, I assume you mean nacho/Empire. But those three are the three I know the best and I feel my current role is to resolve to myself that I could trust them.

I know from our experience together in The Game That Shan't Be Mentioned that Natirasha tends to view himself as a weak scumhunter and is much more willing to resign himself and let others take the lead on that front. To that end, this post definitely reminds me of Natirasha's town game.

At the same token, though, I do also know Natirasha's big on mechanics / setup speculation and it was very disappointing to see so little from him on that front on D1.

The frustration in #918 reads very genuine to me. I tend to view people who react very personally to suspicion in a positive way.
"I'm not having as much fun here as I usually do in games'' (#1098) is always a good sign.

Hmm actually reading over this ISO again makes me feel way better about the slot than I did before.

[morph the cat]

Morph, Two things:

"just like they think you are more scum than I am"

That statement wasn't meant to imply that I thought your reads were coming from genuine town.

Secondly, this being multi-ball makes it quite possible for scum to genuinely scum-hunt for legit scum when they don't know the identity of said scum.

If I'm understanding the setup (and I think I am, at least with respect to the right hand and left hand teams), it's not truly multiball. They win together. They want to find each other and work with each other, not get each other lynched.

That's why so important for town to control the neighborizing ability.

[PeregrineV]

questions about things in the games,

meant to say. Specific questions about things in the game get me more responsive.

Really?

OK, then hey, could you answer this from yester-gameday?

Talk to your buddy Seanald, becasue he hasn't answered this either.

Yes I did wtf.

My bad, must have missed it.

with scum stacking their money on one player

you also keep saying this like you know for certain that it's happening.
you forget they play a huge risk putting their eggs in 1 basket, my team made that mistake in marketplace 2 and lost a lot of money.

You said you advertised it. Did you bid on it and win it? If so, when do you plan on removing $100 from each player? When do you think is the optimal time to use it for town?

[PeregrineV]

Also, I've been tossing it around my head for a bit now and I realized I have no idea how to use it, but I have coroner and want to use it somehow. I suppose we can use that to help confirm mhork?

It's almost like salting a wound, but if this is the case, why did you

ADVERTISE

it and then

BID

on it?

[PeregrineV]

Yes, several people have already mentioned it, though I don't think anyone has stated any reasons except for the fact that I'm useless and behind in this game. I'm trying to fix that, but as I said earlier, it's a process.

Crazy thing is, everyone is a potential PR in this game, cause $$$$$. So the fact you are being useless is baffling as well as scummy.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Seanald