A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Titus]

SD, I said you could be an idiot thus voiding any one v one status. In that post, I was adopting PnJ's view to show it made no sense.

You obviously didn't read the thread. Cops get my flavorname. Thus a cop claimer who didn't know is autoscum. Luckily, there's fomatting stuff with it, so your tirade isn't a total loss.

[Benmage]

Benmage to stop popping up to just post sense occasionally instead of active lurking would help too!

Am I missing something important to weigh in on?

[Eddard Stark]

Day 4, Vc 24

The Alchemist (3) -

Benmage, Cephrir, Titus

Titus (2) -

SafetyDance, elleheathen

SafetyDance (4) -

AGar, ooba, The Alchemist, Garruk Relentless

quadz08 (2) -

Shadoweh, kanyesknowsbest

Tierce (1) -

Katsuki

Garruk Relentless (1) -

Messiah Complex

No lynch (1) -

PrideandJoy

AGar (1) -

Nautilius

PrideandJoy (1) -

Goat on a Raft

Messiah Complex (1)-

Goat on a Raft

Not voting (4)

- Alfred Borden, Tammy, Tierce, quadz08

With 20 alive it takes 11 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 10th of November at 17:00 EDT
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-11-10 17:00:00)
  
• Tierce is V/la. Your mod is V/la again. elleheathen is V/la

[The Alchemist]

Hmm.

UNVOTE:

Tammy, what are you thinking at the moment?

[Tierce]

quadz, AGar is saying that SafetyDance is scum who blocked you. Seems fairly reasonable...?

[Alfred Borden]

Sorry for the relative inactivity from me this Day phase, been working on these posts + the job search has been kicking my ass. Anyway, I’ll be posting these up in chunks and would appreciate commentary as they go (I think forming a town bloc at this point is essential given the hole the scums are in especially if Titus is telling the truth about her role). I’m not going to do Tammy or Tierce unless there are still nonbelievers who really want me to explain why those two slots are town just want to say that I have a lot of experience reading them and have hydra'd with them several times and I'm very confident those two are town.

Benmage:

I’ll be honest, my read on him is very largely meta based and not so much on his interactions with PeaceBringer / displaced / SpyreX (everything I said about his play in #906 still applies). As far as the way he interacted with his partners go, I remember that in The Wire he tended to put forth passive suspicion on absta when they were both alive but never really pushed him very strongly for a lynch. Benmage doesn’t mention PeaceBringer at all while he was around or even when he was being discussed after D1 which is oddly enough I think a point against him being Chaos-aligned as I think Benmage would have said at least *something* about him to distance in some fashion. He also only mentions that he’s surprised that Spy’s been drawing votes like he has. Personally, I think he’d have absolutely bussed there given the quick hammer setup and tried to milk as much credibility as humanly possible. Overall, still very confident in Benmage being town.

Nautilius:

This one is very tricky to explain. If I had to guess, I’d say the slot is still town based on activity / effort level / a few other meta related things but I’m getting increasingly paranoid here. The first major time Nacho mentions PeaceBringer is in his case in #2536. Normally, I’d call someone town based on cases like this but I know Nacho has a reputation for bussing (no, I don’t take #3029 at face value). The mollie early death bothered me when I remembered it happened but I remember she was reading him as town right up until she died (with some tinges of paranoia admittedly). As far as Spy goes, he only mentions Nacho once to tell him to “believe” that Goat on a Raft is town and puts him on his town list – so basically nothing that’s really unfakeable. Basically, I think the slot’s town but the interactions don’t jump out at me immediately and go “oh this should clear Nacho from being scum.” Oh and I really want to know exactly how much Ellibereth has put into this game and where he’s been.

AGar:

The first post that really stood out to me was #2564 in which he basically insists that the town come to a consensus between himself and SpyreX despite feeling that he’s a bad lynch. Given that this happened 6 days before deadline, I think this might be a point against AGar being Chaos-aligned as he’d be basically locking a lynch between himself and his buddy with time to spare for the town to move elsewhere. I think as scum he’d have waited a bit longer to see where the town current was going rather than jump the gun. Overall, it’s hard for me to explain, but his entire approach reminds me of when I’m in a game with a player I hugely respect (tending to give the player more leeway due to reputation).

[Garruk Relentless]

Both heads of this hydra are gonna be on relatively limited access til Sunday.

[kanyeknowsbest]

quadz08 (9) -

ooba, Shadoweh, Messiah Complex, Cephrir, Titus, Goat on a Raft, Garruk Relentless, Tierce, AGar

quadz08 (2) -

Shadoweh, kanyesknowsbest

some 1 pls tell me wth.why did this wagon crumble after such a flimsy claim? whos the scum here who were bussing but then thought better of it when town showed interest elsewhere?

[kanyeknowsbest]

like the way he handled safetydances roleblock is not at all from the perspective of someone who was roleblocked that night. he would want to know whether or not sd was the one who roleblocked him or if there was the possibility of a scum roleblocker or jk in the game.

[kanyeknowsbest]

Quadz Must Die

[Eddard Stark]

Prodding Messiah Complex

[Tierce]

So I got carried away elsewhere and Jade stuff had priority. I'll be back on track tomorrow. (Today? Timezones and sleep schedules and etc. The 8th, anyway.)

[Messiah Complex]

quadz08 (9) -

ooba, Shadoweh, Messiah Complex, Cephrir, Titus, Goat on a Raft, Garruk Relentless, Tierce, AGar

quadz08 (2) -

Shadoweh, kanyesknowsbest

some 1 pls tell me wth.why did this wagon crumble after such a flimsy claim? whos the scum here who were bussing but then thought better of it when town showed interest elsewhere?

Looks like Garruk, Goat, and Ceph to me. I'm also liking AGar a lot less...

quadz, AGar is saying that SafetyDance is scum who blocked you. Seems fairly reasonable...?

This is retarded. Why would scum-SD lie about his night actions?

And I don't understand how you can say that's reasonable but then also be confused that some people consider SD/Quadz a true 1v1, considering that is the crux of the issue.

- Des

[Tierce]

I don't think SafetyDance lied, but I don't think that it's that far out there for AGar to think that SafetyDance is scum who blocked quadz, since he's saying that he thinks SD's claim is messed up beyond belief.

[Tammy]

I don't need a prod. I'll get to this after work.

[Cephrir]

quadz08 (9) -

ooba, Shadoweh,

Messiah Complex

, Cephrir, Titus, Goat on a Raft, Garruk Relentless, Tierce, AGar

quadz08 (2) -

Shadoweh, kanyesknowsbest

some 1 pls tell me wth.why did this wagon crumble after such a flimsy claim? whos the scum here who were bussing but then thought better of it when town showed interest elsewhere?

Looks like Garruk, Goat, and Ceph to me. I'm also liking AGar a lot less...

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[Titus]

like the way he handled safetydances roleblock is not at all from the perspective of someone who was roleblocked that night. he would want to know whether or not sd was the one who roleblocked him or if there was the possibility of a scum roleblocker or jk in the game.

I wouldn't rule out Quadz and GnR as scum together. However, I am gravely reluctant to after one of the obly investigative roles if not the only one, when my role PM mandates there is at least some form of investigative role.

Also, Quadz has been asking everyone is they blocked him, so I am not sure what you are getting at with him acting wrong.

[Messiah Complex]

quadz08 (9) -

ooba, Shadoweh,

Messiah Complex

, Cephrir, Titus, Goat on a Raft, Garruk Relentless, Tierce, AGar

quadz08 (2) -

Shadoweh, kanyesknowsbest

some 1 pls tell me wth.why did this wagon crumble after such a flimsy claim? whos the scum here who were bussing but then thought better of it when town showed interest elsewhere?

Looks like Garruk, Goat, and Ceph to me. I'm also liking AGar a lot less...

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<3 you too bro

- Des

[Benmage]

Quadz Must Die

mmmmm I'd still like to see what happens with him and titus tonight.

[Titus]

@Tierce what is the "because beard" fallacy you allude to in 774? I would imagine that's absurdity via oversimplification, but I want to be sure. Back to work.

[Cephrir]

like the way he handled safetydances roleblock is not at all from the perspective of someone who was roleblocked that night. he would want to know whether or not sd was the one who roleblocked him or if there was the possibility of a scum roleblocker or jk in the game.

I wouldn't rule out Quadz and GnR as scum together. However, I am gravely reluctant to after one of the obly investigative roles if not the only one, when my role PM mandates there is at least some form of investigative role.

Also, Quadz has been asking everyone is they blocked him, so I am not sure what you are getting at with him acting wrong.

I mean, yeah, if you ignore the fact that like at least half the game hasn't claimed...

Messiah, I think you missed the point. Not that this is shocking or out of character.

[Messiah Complex]

No, I'm pretty sure I got it. Why don't you tell me what it was though?

Also wassup with the ad hom?

- Des

[Cephrir]

*sigh*

You're saying people are scum for doing something you did. Oh, and did you forget how town Goat was these last few pages, or what?

Well, you've been misinterpreting my posts all game, so there's that!

[ooba]

Quadz Must Die

Lynch Dance with me today - I promise we can get Quadz tomorrow.

Quadz can be let off for another day since
- Titus has a way to verify ability (or) Quadz can verify Titus
- He's claimed cop - who's claimed RB on N3 and that it's remarkably coincidental that SD tracked him that night (and there was what happened today). I actually like Quadz for two reasons after the claim
-- He's not being harping on the "we both can be town" like SD is as much; I would expect scum who's lynch has been aborted to push that line a bit more
-- He could have just claimed cop without putting himself in a weak 1vs1 with Quadz
So let's do it this way.

[ooba]

^*He could have just claimed cop withouth putting himself in a weak 1vs1 with SD

Let's lynch SD.
If SD is scum, yay - we just gained a town mach cop
If SD is town, we lynch Quadz tomorrow.