NY 167: COMPLETELY NORMAL Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Sakura Hana]

i am fairly convinced, yes.

Which means, you wouldnt ever be considering policy lynching RC, so yeah, your actions dont match your words.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I on the other hand didnt realize that was the answer to the question so I apologize for that.

and how did you miss that it was basically the entire post

wait this might actually be scummy

because scum don't care or discerning alignment they just want a scapegoat so they tunnel on scumy details

so they're more likely to miss the clear gist ofa post /and/ pick up on something to sling mud for

maybe, i don't know.

pedit: your own, always

pedit: holy mother of jesus

i would consider policy lynching RC if nobody else hops on your wagon

it takes more than one man to lynch scum

is sakura normally this thick

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I am allowed to have multiple people whom I would be ok with lynching, and I am allowed to have preferences in that pool

[orcinus_theoriginal]

and if my read weren't so strong on you, then yes i would be ok with a policy lynch on RC

BSG was the first game where I advocated policy lynching. I PL people who I feel I won't be able to get a better read on as they post more. RC will be one of these people.

So even if my scumread is higher on you than on RC, I would still consider my policy lynch because I know that RC has to be lynched at some point or other, and leaving you alive for one more day will allow me to consolidate my read on you. So I'd rather RC go day 1 and you go day 2 than RC go day x>1


But fuck you

VOTE: sakura

[Sakura Hana]

and how did you miss that it was basically the entire post

I didn't think it was the answer to the question.

[Sakura Hana]

You were already voting me btw.

[MVP]

1. MC Maraca - Scum
2. Doctor Jekyll - Town
3. Sakura Hana - Town
4. sangres - In the process of sorting.
5. JacobSavage - Not even bothering.
6. MVP - Cult
7. caledfwitch - Not even bothering.
8. Guyett - Town
9. likeabauss - Town
10. orcinus_theoriginal - Null (from lazyfuck)
11. Angry Frat BROs - To be sorted.
12. Hermy - Null (used to be town)
13. PeregrineV - Null
14. RadiantCowbells - Vig bait. Still town.
15. Toomai - Town
16. yessiree - Town
17. TheIrishPope - Town

The reasons are all in my posts.
"Not even bothering" List is someone who's probably getting replaced and had a low content anyway.

[MVP]

Sakura, orcinus.
Orcinus, Sakura.

I was serious when I said this.
Because it just looks like it's a playstyle clash.

[Sakura Hana]

I would still consider my policy lynch because I know that RC has to be lynched at some point or other, and leaving you alive for one more day will allow me to consolidate my read on you. So I'd rather RC go day 1 and you go day 2 than RC go day x>1

And why couldnt you have said this when I first questioned you?

[sangres]

I do have some problem with this readlist.

Town

1. Likeabaws - yeah, town. Don't trust his reads because Newbie 1389.

Doctor Jekyll - This looks like town Ceph to me.
Toomai - I like his stances so far. I meta'd the hell out of him for the Harry Potter game, and although I smudged the meta results for that game, I think I came away with a pretty fair appreciation for his town game. One thing of note: in the scum game that he replaced into, iirc his stances came off a little more certain as scum, and his reaction to pressure was different as well. Not that he's had pressure to react to in this game so far.

Leaning Town

TheIrishPope - I don't read TiP well, and tend to default to reading him as scum. But, last we talked Nacho was thinking town. And some of my leantowns are thinking town as well.

2. MVP - I know the identity of one head of this hydra. Playing solo he tends to tunnel the fuck out of his scum reads. The fact that this isn't happening me bothers me a little, but I saw something similar in another purportedly 3-headed hydra of his so I'm leaning cautiously town.

Angry Frat BROs - I think AP trying to sort me is a good sign, though I feel pretty cautious. In prior scum games, he's either townread me (until a scum read suited his purposes) or immediately gone for the throat on my slot (after I replaced out, but still that was MY slot and I was srsly town).

3. MC Maraca - probably going to let Nacho call this one. I think his meta thumbnail for MVP was reasonably accurate, but I don't like that he's calling us town on the basis of my play. He has said more than once that despite all the experiential meta I'm not that easy for him to read.

Null

Caledfwitch - based on a recent game we played (where I helped mislynch her) and the meta-dive I did in that game, although she's a lurkfuck as town, she takes strong stands on players she thinks are scum. I'm not seeing that in this game so far. I've waffled about scumpiling her.
Hermy - Was leaning town based on her reaction to being judged on the basis of one bad error in one game. Read went stale.
Sakura Hana - her game feels a little off, especially compared to Newbie 1436.
Yessirree - I like some of what I'm seeing, and I'm a little worried I'm letting others' negative reads affect my impression here. Looking at you, MC Maraca. I"m still waiting for your meta analysis.
PeregrineV - Play the damn game.
Orcinus - I don't like that he entered the game basically in RVS mode, but his entrance posts were pretty late-night. I had no useful read on Rank.

4. Scum

Guyett - Based on one game I've played where he was town and I was scum, I'd lean town. But, I'm kinda impressed by the way people are talking his town game up, and I think the one game may not have been all that representative. I was on the scum team, and he made it to lylo for a reason. BoP sucks.
4. Radiant Cowbells - If I had a fucking clue what your play is supposed to accomplish I would probably consider moving you to the leaning town pile.
JacobSavage - ISO is crap, and no effort to engage Nacho about his read.

1. Not sure if that was meant to be a joke, but was that discredit necessary?
2. I don't mind being a townread, but based on what you put there, you're reading this hydra based on a person who only posted like 5 posts. Why not read based on

my

post?
3. At the beginning of the game, I had an impression from your posts that you (ffery) wanted to sort out Cabd. Why defer it to Nacho instead? Also, based on what you put there, it seems like MCM should belong in lower place than "Leaning Town."
4. This scumlist looks too lazy.

1. Absolutely not a joke. He completely misread me and tunneled the fuck out of me in that game. At the end of day 1 IIRC, he and I were the only viable lynches and the lynch went his way. Finally, at the point where he was at L-1 and I wasn't voting him, I think he entertained the possibility I was town. Whoever was lynched, though, the other's cred would have been damaged enough to leave scum with plenty of room to act on the following days. And so it was.

2. I don't know which head he is, so 5 posts is news to me. That info is enough to nail him as the baseball legend, I think. You're Lebron? I thought the stuff you jumped on early suggested we haven't played together much or recently, and I didn't like your interactions with Ceph. Leaning more town as the game progresses.

3. I want Nacho to check my work. If he disagrees with where I eventually land, I'll probably defer to him.

4. You're welcome to your opinion about it.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I would still consider my policy lynch because I know that RC has to be lynched at some point or other, and leaving you alive for one more day will allow me to consolidate my read on you. So I'd rather RC go day 1 and you go day 2 than RC go day x>1

And why couldnt you have said this when I first questioned you?

this selective quoting is scummy as fuck.

here is the first sentence of what I wrote

and if my read weren't so strong on you, then yes i would be ok with a policy lynch on RC

Here is the first part of the sentence which you conveniently cut off

So even if my scumread is higher on you than on RC,

so NO, I DO NOT WANT TO LYNCH RC OVER YOU

BUT I WOULD BE OK WITH A LYNCH ON RC AS A LESS DESIRED TARGET

please lynch this

im going nuts

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Sakura, orcinus.
Orcinus, Sakura.

I was serious when I said this.
Because it just looks like it's a playstyle clash.

im sry

1) selective quoting
2) opportunistic testing waters
3) deliberately obtuse

which of the above is a playstyle characteristic over a scum characteristic

[Sakura Hana]

Bauss are you really that sure this guy is scum?...

All I'm getting from my back and forth is that he's most likely town, I doubt scum would be this stubborn to get a mislynch in.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

mvp why is cabd/mara scum?

Pedit: the awkward moment when scum realizes his easy lynch isn't going to work

[MVP]

1. So discredit based on one game it is.
2. For all we know, I could be a person who has a meta on everyone in this game and just hiding it.
3. Ok.
4. We're townreading Guyett, RC is most likely town and even Nacho said so, and JS is about to be replaced so

[Sakura Hana]

Pedit: the awkward moment when scum realizes his easy lynch isn't going to work

That awkward momment when you realize that orc is going to be Wisdom Jr.

[MVP]

im sry

1) selective quoting
2) opportunistic testing waters
3) deliberately obtuse

which of the above is a playstyle characteristic over a scum characteristic

All of the above I've seen Sakura do it as town.

[MVP]

mvp why is cabd/mara scum?

That one terrible misrep from Cabd is enough for me. And Purple defending it with "I didn't do it. Cabd did."

[orcinus_theoriginal]

also

mvp

would you be willing to tell me which heads of sangres/angrybro/maraca you have meta with

it helps me evaluate your reads

Pedit@Sakura: haha nice try

[MVP]

All of them.
Some of them are outdated, though.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

So let's go with your logic:

1-Replacing out day one is a scumtell.
2-Rank enjoys day ones.
3-Rank replaced out day one.
4-Rank's slot is scum.

So since the actual data totally disproves (1) why should 2-4 still be valid? Do you have some evidence of this you can cite?

Cabd go sit down at the corner and have yourself a timeout.
Because this post reeks.

#1 is not the first logical step of LTB calling rank's replace out and you know it.

-L. J.

Pedit: no. in the bauss quote i gave he says that replacing out day 1 in a scumtell.

But that's for one of his reason for scumreading

AFB

, not Rank. There's a difference.

LTB clearly said that Rank's rep out d1 is scummy because Town-Rank loves d1 and he wouldn't rep out D1 if he was town.
As reaching as it sounds, his logic is based on his meta on him, regardless of his willingness to prove it or not. However, what MCM did there was that he butchered down his logic to make it sounds like his logic is based on some stupid overgeneralized theory.

This is a really shitty reason to scumread cabd andthe slot might be scum but not for this reason

bauss used "stupid overgeneralized theory" to scumread APBro so it seems logical to me to assume the same for Rank. His logic is based on said theory and is enforced by Rank's specific meta. That's the same vibe I got.

If you disagree then you can scumread me too but this is just wrong.

mvp why is cabd/mara scum?

That one terrible misrep from Cabd is enough for me. And Purple defending it with "I didn't do it. Cabd did."

And you realize that when one head of the hydra gets questioned by something the other head did they typically do defer to the other, right?

I mean fery and I do the same.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Angryfratbros deserves rope. Dude replaced into a slot that bailed out very early in the game. Townies don't tend to bail that early. They see what shakes out, read, and dive back in as time allows. Scum however has a team counting on them, working a strategy, and there's more pressure on a scum slot to be involved/present.

Dudes entry to the game was straight inside joke buddying. "Hey so and so. Don't mislynch my like last game. Tee-hee. Herp Derp." Not cool. Then a bunch more bs spam, useless fluff. Somewhere in the middle of it, another head jumped in and added to the wtfery.

I saw some town cheer leading "Scummers, get in here and post." which loosely translates to "I'm a posting machine, so obviously not scum. The scum just aren't posting."

Plus, there was the whole "Gym fist, then knowledge." Everybody knows you can't skip tanning and laundry and go straight to schooling bitches. GTL, then lynching scum. Get your mind right first. Only gready grimy scum would suggest skipping the laundromat.

There's more, but I'm mobile only for a bit and it's tough to quote and do real work.

His accusation of APBro.

Exactly one thing in this entire post is something serious that applies specifically to APBro and not the rest of the town.

His entire read on APBro was based on him replacing into the game

So

:/

[orcinus_theoriginal]

im sry

1) selective quoting
2) opportunistic testing waters
3) deliberately obtuse

which of the above is a playstyle characteristic over a scum characteristic

All of the above I've seen Sakura do it as town.

so tell me why sakura is town pls

[MVP]

His entire read on APBro was based on him replacing into the game

That arguement is true if LTB didn't out any other reasons in his posts at all.
But that's not true, now is it?
Branding LTB's reasoning of scumreading AFB as "rep out d1" theory alone is strawmanning.

[MVP]

im sry

1) selective quoting
2) opportunistic testing waters
3) deliberately obtuse

which of the above is a playstyle characteristic over a scum characteristic

All of the above I've seen Sakura do it as town.

so tell me why sakura is town pls

I will come back to this whenever I hydra slip by any chance.
Answering this will most likely out my identity.