NY 167: COMPLETELY NORMAL Mafia (GAME OVER)

[goodmorning]

this is a lot of pages already

this is exciting

Votecount 1.33

JacobSavage [L-5] - sangres, MC Maraca, Cephrir, Hermy

Guyett [L-6] - PeregrineV, TheIrishPope, Angry Frat BROs

orcinus_theoriginal [L-7] - Sakura Hana, yessiree

Angry Frat BROs [L-7] - likeabauss, Guyett

Hermy [L-8] - RadiantCowbells

Sakura Hana [L-8] - orcinus_theoriginal

Not Voting [3] - JacobSavage, caledfwitch, Toomai, MVP

With 17 alive, it takes

9

to lynch. The day will end in (expired on 2013-11-20 09:39:00)

Toomai is V/LA through 11/9.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Dudes entry to the game was straight inside joke buddying. "Hey so and so. Don't mislynch my like last game. Tee-hee. Herp Derp." Not cool. Then a bunch more bs spam, useless fluff. Somewhere in the middle of it, another head jumped in and added to the wtfery.

I saw some town cheer leading "Scummers, get in here and post." which loosely translates to "I'm a posting machine, so obviously not scum. The scum just aren't posting."

Plus, there was the whole "Gym fist, then knowledge." Everybody knows you can't skip tanning and laundry and go straight to schooling bitches. GTL, then lynching scum. Get your mind right first. Only gready grimy scum would suggest skipping the laundromat.

other reason #1:

a half dozen players doing this meta/history/relivingtheglorydaysofanotherepicgame/casual but deliberate buddying/bs

so this isn't specific to BRO
other reason #2: Oh please this isn't a serious reason
other reason #3: Oh please this isn't a serious reason

[sangres]

1. So discredit based on one game it is.

A ton of caution.

2. For all we know, I could be a person who has a meta on everyone in this game and just hiding it.

Why are you including yourself among the unknowing?

4. We're townreading Guyett, RC is most likely town and even Nacho said so, and JS is about to be replaced so

Agree on Guyett. A lot has happened to the gamestate since I posted that list. We'll see what a replacement does with the JS slot.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Branding LTB's reasoning of scumreading AFB as "rep out d1" theory alone is strawmanning.

bauss scumread AFB because he replaced in d1

the other reasons in his post were afterthoughts to go along with it, and only one of them remotely made sense. towards the end of the post he was grasping at straws falling off a cliff

[sangres]

What do you think about it?

null

If you think it's null, why did you point it up?

To see what orci's opinion about it, of course.

What did you learn?

[MVP]

Why are you including yourself among the unknowing?

Because this is an anonymous hydra!
And I have no intention to reveal my identity.

[MVP]

What did you learn?

His read on yessiree.

[MVP]

You'll notice one of my first posts after AngryFratBros entered the game simply stated "FratBros is scum." That was a hunch. So, I added a bit to it. And from there a bit more. Now, I believe I have enough info that I can layout more simply and clearly. He's made adjustments and reactions to my accusations and pressure, and because I didn't tip my whole hand I think I was able to get additional info out of him for the case against him.

He basically outed here that his earlier reasons (including rep out d1) was for reaction fishing.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

but let's be honest mvp it doesn't really matter whether or not you agree with me with regards to bauss' reasoning

that's the vibe I got, that's assumedly the vibe maraca got

it's a shitty reason to strongly scumread a slot on

Pedit: what's your point...? I don't care about bauss' read on AFP. I am trying to show you that your scumread on maraca is unfounded

[MVP]

I've been sidetracked, I guess.

I get that that's vibe that you got, but It's only an assumption that it is what Cabd got either.
He was on fire while posting it, and those times are when people are most likely to slip something.

I'll know eventually what Cabd had in mind there, but for now, I think it's still worth pursuing it.

[MVP]

"when he was", not "while".

[Sakura Hana]

Wait a second something's off here...

@MVP: If i'm doing a new playstyle how the heck would you have meta on it to defend me so hard enough

[MVP]

If your "new" meant as the first time in this game, I'll say that it's not.

[Sakura Hana]

No, but there's like only 1 completed game I've done with it.

[MVP]

Then I don't know what you meant by "new", because I don't see much difference.

[Sakura Hana]

Then I don't know what you meant by "new", because I don't see much difference.

Being way less emotional for one.

[MVP]

That's like the only difference I see. But even then, right now is not the point where you usually become emotional and I don't know when it will suddenly erupt so

[Sakura Hana]

Ok I think I know 2 of your heads now

[MVP]

Then townread me already.

[Sakura Hana]

When you walk me through why Guyett is town.

[MVP]

Lemme check your reason for scumreading Guyett.

[likeabauss]

His accusation of APBro.

Exactly one thing in this entire post is something serious that applies specifically to APBro and not the rest of the town.

His entire read on APBro was based on him replacing into the game

So

:/

Big misrep. In that post I even state, THERE'S MORE.

[MVP]

So hypocrisy it is.

That "hypocrisy" is that Guyett is accusing someone for basically what he's doing, right?
That means that he's not aware of his actions, correct?
Now which alignment is most likely to be aware of his actions? Town or scum?

Yes. It's a null tell.

Added to that, if his drunk-defeatism-post was faked, I'll be damned.

[likeabauss]

A more thorough/concise case against FratBoys:

1) Al Capone Ego (psychobabble) This is tied to the "Proof or GTFO." Al Capone ego goes something like this "You can't PROVE I killed those people, even though everybody knows I did." I hinted at pieces of this in earlier posts, and he's done it a coupe times. He's refuting an argument strictly because I can't prove it... like proving anything on D1 in mafia is possible. This is scum behavior.

2) Guilty Conscience (psychobabble) Talked about it previously.

3) Momentum shift onto easy Guyett wagon (Guyett seems pretty clearly ambivalent/frustrated town to me) Anti-town behavior to run up on D1 so fast and hard, and setup a lynch with so little contributions from other players.

4) Setting up for future easy lynch targets - talked about this previously

5) Defending scum buddy Orcinus (this is leveraged, and I know most will skip over it, fine. But Orcinus is also scum and FratBoys actively defended the slot before even attempting to sort said slot.) I asked a similar line to Cabd. Why does a townie defend another player that they haven't strongly sorted from another player? Especially if the accusing player is a townread.

6) Steering conversation - things like shutting down an interrogation into another suspect, trying to get people to focus back on what he states/says is important, etc. Theres several examples of this. It's anti-town behavior, and most often scum.

7) Wanting to lynch RC despite what I perceive as an in thread subtle vouch (Post 269) I stuck this in there because it supports a few of the above items. Orcinus is also conveniently on this maneuver.

8) Overly defensive - example: he defended against an OBVIOUS joke I made about Jersey Shore and GTL. Not even a chuckle, or laugh, and he didn't just glaze over it. He addressed it directly like it had merit. There's a few other examples. He's still trying to refute me, despite having a SINGLE vote on him and not being in any trouble. This is tied to #2 and #1 lightly, but is scummy behavior in its own right. To clarify a bit, this is a departure from expected behaviors. Look at his post 343. He cuts up RC for doing exactly what he does later with my joke. Pretty lol IMO. Again in 607 about taking jokes seriously.

9) Overt buddying - right from the start. Examples are obvious.

10) Useless fluff posting - I made a few comments about people reliving the glory days of games gone by. FratBros did a bunch of this. With Cabd, with sangres, with ffery, with JS, Guyett, etc etc. It's half buddying, half filling the thread with useless posts. By itself, it could be null... but look at his response to it in 571, line 2. He can't refute it, so he just downplays it. "Bah, I only did that with Nacho."

11) Rephrasing my arguments - (This is a bit of a stretch. It could be that he either doesn't understand or he's scum and just positioning.) He's done this a couple times. He's tried to frame my psychobabble arguments as logic problems. If you're a student of language, words have meaning and sentences have a rhythm. Two different musicians can play the same notes, and they'll sound completely different. I'm essentially saying that his word choices, responses, etc are singing a different song to my ears. It's not logic, its nuance, don't re-frame it. I have a trained ear, and I hear it clearly.

12) Mis-reps - 358, 540, 624, 629, 728

13) His scum reads are people I completely disagree on (this is perspective driven, YMMV)

14) He's leaving himself back doors on his town reads. He's a very aggressive player and I'd almost call it fence sitting. (this is an add-on, not enough merit on its on but coupled with all the above it reads scummy.)

If anybody has any questions about anything in particular, and your name is not Orcinus, FratBoys, or MC Maraca, please ask and I'll endeavor to explain myself better.

[Sakura Hana]

You forgot to answer this Bauss wrt orc.

Bauss are you really that sure this guy is scum?...

All I'm getting from my back and forth is that he's most likely town, I doubt scum would be this stubborn to get a mislynch in.