A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Titus]

Cephir, just because half the game hasn't claimed doesn't mean there must be an investigative role other than Quadz, altough I get the implication.

ooba, why do you say Quadz v SD is a 1 v1? It's not like SD is a reliable narrator or that scum would say yeah I rbed quadz.

[PrideandJoy]

actually there is a problem with allowing Quadz to "verify" Titus' rolename because with such a specific clause in Titus' role pm about all cops getting his rolename there is bound to be scum cop-like roles. And if Quadz is not a cop he would have a cop buddy to inform him (assuming daytalk in a faraday game).

That said considering that Thor claimed miller... there probably is a town cop (and no one has cc'd yet). BUT I remember thor claimed not-quite-normal-miller so that should be double checked.

I do think any cop-like town role should CC Quadz immediately if possible now that the hammer opportunity has gone.

[PrideandJoy]

I dunno Ooba I heard it was also uncanny that Quadz happened to have copped a player that died that same night.

[PrideandJoy]

also.

just tonally,

SD is pretty town

[Titus]

^^^PnJ all cops should claim so scum can shoot them.

If Quadz is scum, we have proven that scums have a rolecop or some other cop. It is not an absolute clear. Yet, it gives us insight into the scums. Plus, if we try to force Quadz to post early, we might be able to trap him if you're worried about hypo thetical day talk.

[Eddard Stark]

Day 4, Vc 25

The Alchemist (3) -

Benmage, Cephrir, Titus

Titus (2) -

SafetyDance, elleheathen

SafetyDance (3) -

AGar, ooba, Garruk Relentless

quadz08 (2) -

Shadoweh, kanyesknowsbest

Tierce (1) -

Katsuki

Garruk Relentless (1) -

Messiah Complex

No lynch (1) -

PrideandJoy

AGar (1) -

Nautilius

PrideandJoy (1) -

Goat on a Raft

Messiah Complex (1)-

Goat on a Raft

Not voting (5)

- Alfred Borden, Tammy, Tierce, quadz08, The Alchemist

With 20 alive it takes 11 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 10th of November at 17:00 EDT
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-11-10 17:00:00)
  
• Garruk is V/la. Your mod is V/la again. elleheathen is V/la

[PrideandJoy]

^^^PnJ all cops should claim so scum can shoot them.

If Quadz is scum, we have proven that scums have a rolecop or some other cop. It is not an absolute clear. Yet, it gives us insight into the scums. Plus, if we try to force Quadz to post early, we might be able to trap him if you're worried about hypo thetical day talk.

I don't remember seeing any protective role flip yet.

If Quadz is scum, Quadz is scum. we can stop there.

[ooba]

"It's not like SD is a reliable narrator or that scum would say yeah I rbed quadz." -> SD has clarified his actions. Scum RBing Quadz the same night is too coincidental and unlikely.

I dunno Ooba I heard it was also uncanny that Quadz happened to have copped a player that died that same night.

I'm not saying Quadz isnt scum.

But the smart play is to lynch the non cop in the 1vs1 first - just in case.
Those reasons are me trying to see if there are signs for SD scum\Quadz town.

[Titus]

SD just will never be a reliable narrator due to his actions earlier in my eyes. That plus the fact I find it more likely than you of a scum rber, means I don't see this as a one v one.

[Messiah Complex]

*sigh*

You're saying people are scum for doing something you did. Oh, and did you forget how town Goat was these last few pages, or what?

Well, you've been misinterpreting my posts all game, so there's that!

Newsflash: Scum and town do the same shit all the time. Kanye asked a question and I answered him. The key is to examine

why

someone was on the Quadz wagon and isn't anymore.

- Des

[Shadoweh]

Zzzzzz.
So guys, there's like, two days left? Are we actually lynching anyone or what?

[Cephrir]

I do think any cop-like town role should CC Quadz immediately if possible now that the hammer opportunity has gone.

If we're not lynching Alchemist I would lynch this in a heartbeat

[PrideandJoy]

I don't really feel inclined to still.

Anything last minute will probably be a mislynch anyway

P-edit: now why would you want to do that Cephrir. Did that post just grind your gears?

[ooba]

SD just will never be a reliable narrator due to his actions earlier in my eyes. That plus the fact I find it more likely than you of a scum rber, means I don't see this as a one v one.

Scum RBer - sure
Scum RBer - who just happened to block Quadz on N3?

If we lynch Quadz today and he turned up town, how would that affect your read of SD?

[Cephrir]

Like seriously, if quadz is scum we'll know it soon enough, so why the fuck would anyone cc him? To save SD, who is useful neither in the day phase nor in the night phase even if he's town? Get real.

P-edit: Yes, yes it did

[PrideandJoy]

tbh it's surprising that scum would RB quadz and not the claimed JOAT.

[ooba]

Zzzzzz.
So guys, there's like, two days left? Are we actually lynching anyone or what?

I'm still of the opinion the right play is SD.

Even if it happens to be a mislynch, its a mislynch with a purpose that gets something done on D5.

[PrideandJoy]

Like seriously, if quadz is scum we'll know it soon enough, so why the fuck would anyone cc him?

soon enough?

please explain

[PrideandJoy]

usually saving somebody who is town is both useful and magnanimous

[Titus]

SD just will never be a reliable narrator due to his actions earlier in my eyes. That plus the fact I find it more likely than you of a scum rber, means I don't see this as a one v one.

Scum RBer - sure
Scum RBer - who just happened to block Quadz on N3?

If we lynch Quadz today and he turned up town, how would that affect your read of SD?

I would want to lynch SD, but I have independent reasons for wanting him dead.

1) Unreliable narrator, ehich is close to a pl for me unless cleared.
2) Attempting to out my flavor to prevent cop/invest verification
3) General bad posting overal during my readthrough so far when he does post.

[Cephrir]

Like seriously, if quadz is scum we'll know it soon enough, so why the fuck would anyone cc him?

soon enough?

please explain

If he doesn't get nightkilled for a pretty long time we'll know he's scum

If any of his investigations turn out to not be true we'll know he's scum

If SD flips town the chances he is scum increase significantly even if not conclusively

[kanyeknowsbest]

SD just will never be a reliable narrator due to his actions earlier in my eyes. That plus the fact I find it more likely than you of a scum rber, means I don't see this as a one v one.

Scum RBer - sure
Scum RBer - who just happened to block Quadz on N3?

If we lynch Quadz today and he turned up town, how would that affect your read of SD?

this logic implies that quadz actually was roleblocked. what he did was claim roleblocked after sd fucked his claim up in order to cause this sort of confusion. his claim along with his play today are so transparently scum i dont see any reason why keeping him around is worth it at all. him giving us titus' rolename tomorrow wont mean shit, and i dont know that i would want to spare titus the noose even if i were personally an investigative role who got his flavor name or w.e. is supposed to happen.

never mind that if quadz and titus are scum tomorrow than this is trivially easy for them to fake

[Titus]

^^^ Conspiracy Theory. Why would two players as scum, invariably link themselves together while announcing the scums likely have a cop role?

That is assuming that also no other cop roles exist that would inevitably out the charade.

[SafetyDance]

SD, I said you could be an idiot thus voiding any one v one status. In that post, I was adopting PnJ's view to show it made no sense.

You obviously didn't read the thread. Cops get my flavorname. Thus a cop claimer who didn't know is autoscum. Luckily, there's fomatting stuff with it, so your tirade isn't a total loss.

What has PnJ got to do with any of your posts? Why keep mentioning cops, would a gunsmith not get a result?

***WALL FOR TITUS BELOW***

Let's walk you through this shall we? First your claim:

For Pete's sake I'll just claim now that way when I seemingly ignore all the damn questions y'all have it will be because I am reading and then I'll have to catch up on that. You cannot have it both ways, either I can try to contribute, or I go dark for 48 hours. Period.

I am a one shot night stop. I stop all night actions on the night I bold a particular phrase. All investigative roles can verify because they get a result with my flavor name. It starts with a V. My ability is perfect to use at mylo because that then gives the group two lynches. Of course, that requires me to actually have the ability to live and read for two fucking seconds. I'm probably dead now so fuck off. Thanks a lot.

Then you're statement:

"Come. Come kill me if you can."

Try and kill me Alchemist. Just try. Bring your buddies Safety Dance and quadz.

(emphasis and color mine)

Discussion with Benmage:

Spoiler:

It starts with a V.

Voldermort!

Obviously this is not the name. I won't answer serious guesses as we can verify cops in this manner.

Benmage, cop cannot be fakeclaimed effectively. I post a simple question such as, What is the fifth letter of my flavor claim? Any cop should know that after tonight. Quadz will be confirmed tomorrow either way.

My role pm says all abilities are redirected at me. Cops get my flavor role name. It makes no distinction between passive, active or anything else besides one shots are kept.

STFU titus.. why do u keep spilling details of ur claim holyfuck

I don't consider it spilling to clarify my claim to respond to reasonable questions when I thought it was all out there anyway. People should understand my claim that way they can act accordingly. I am pretty confident no one can do anything tonight andwe can verify some people, why not give out that info?

SD, do you have any cop action left?

To which I responded:

T

his is Victarion

not Varys Blackfyre, Benmage, he's already claimed it all.

(My underlining now)

Then your accusations:

VOTE: SafetyDance

I did trigger with that phrase. No good came of outing that though. I never ever claimed my flavor unless Zdenek did.


Also in Lightkun's game it was shorter and I had a scum qt telling me what th fuck was going on.

I thought you were an idiot but now you're trying to interfere with cop testing by suggesting flavor. Lynch him with fire.

Of course, not admitting whether either flavor suggestion is real.

To which I responded:

I'm not suggesting flavor eeeugh, this is an ASOIAF game, do you think people would not know what character said a phrase? Fuck even the ignorant could you know,USE A SMALL INVENTION CALLED GOOGLE. If you've full-claimed then why hide your role-name? IT HAS NO BEARING ON ALIGNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!

If you think that by uttering that phrase people haven't already guessed then that is complete folly

and whilst your head is in the ground maybe you could something useful like drill for oil?

(Emphasis mine now)

Which you now respond to with:

SD, I said you could be an idiot thus voiding any one v one status. In that post, I was adopting PnJ's view to show it made no sense.

You obviously didn't read the thread. Cops get my flavorname. Thus a cop claimer who didn't know is autoscum. Luckily, there's fomatting stuff with it, so your tirade isn't a total loss.

So well done, for completely playing totally illogical and unhinged.

[SafetyDance]

Jesus Ooba can you shoot a town-read in the head any more ruthlessly. If you're not going to read my posts, read Tierce's when she briefly decided to play the game today. They make sense and it's not being pushed by me. That you're considering this to be a simple black n white 1v1 is ridiculous. That you're trying to set this up is bad, bad, bad.

I get all your other reasoning but not that part about why Quadz looks so town to you.

Erm? Do you even read, bro?

The only fuck up is Quadz' opinion and whether it's town wrong or scum motivated.

I'm not sure what I can do to change minds, I mean, if you choose me so be it but if I did die I'd rather it be because Quadz is definitely scum and not because he's town and people have reverted back to derping this whole block/track n2/3 thing.

I'd be very disappointed if I'm lynched and he ends up town, but definitely not 95% surprised about it.

I mean seriously, If Quadz had said that he had gone and visited Faraday and got a town result, then THAT would be a true 1v1! How
his claim matching mine makes it a 1v1 BEFORE you even consider this or that we're both telling the truth I don't know. Seriously, I can't follow the logic here:

Quadz is either lying or has been blocked. Why would I not consider both options?

Quadz Must Die

Lynch Dance with me today - I promise we can get Quadz tomorrow.

Quadz can be let off for another day since
- Titus has a way to verify ability (or)

Quadz can verify Titus

- He's claimed cop - who's claimed RB on N3 and that it's remarkably coincidental that SD tracked him that night (and there was what happened today). I actually like Quadz for two reasons after the claim
-- He's not being harping on the "we both can be town" like SD is as much; I would expect scum who's lynch has been aborted to push that line a bit more
-- He could have just claimed cop without putting himself in a weak 1vs1 with Quadz
So let's do it this way.

You're seriously suggesting that it's bad for one of the two people set up to consider the OTHER has a possibility of being town? Rofl.

Also Quadz has barely given any reads in this game let alone since making this "1v1". Unless you consider 3703 thoroughly enlightening.

What Kanye said is true, could have been jk'ed. No one has claimed one though unfortunately.

SD just will never be a reliable narrator due to his actions earlier in my eyes. That plus the fact I find it more likely than you of a scum rber, means I don't see this as a one v one.

Thanks for admitting to confirmation bias.

1) Unreliable narrator, ehich is close to a pl for me unless cleared.
2) Attempting to out my flavor to prevent cop/invest verification
3) General bad posting overal during my readthrough so far when he does post.

1) Wrong
2) Wrong
3) Kettle. Pot. Black.