Mini 1515: Touhou Imperishable Night (Game Over)

[mastin2]

Helpful Mastin-meta hint:

If my posts seem rock-solid and logical, but feel faked, I'm scum.
If my posts look like they're flawed and full of holes, but FEEL really legitimate, I'm town.

[pieguyn]

that'd be fine, but last time I tried that it turned out the person in question was just doing a good job of emulating her town meta T_T

[mastin2]

Now that I've stolen bork's page top, some details.

also @mastin: I'm actually really curious where you got the idea that I'm a semi-competent player. it makes me feel warm and fuzzy :3

Just general feeling I got, I guess. When I see you playing in a game, I think, "this person's good." Not great, but good--and recognizing that goodness, I also follow through with the thought, "And is probably only going to get better". I dunno. I don't have anything that'd tell me you're good or not-good. It's just the vibe that I got, that you're that decently-competent player who's going to increasingly become competent as they gain experience.

I guess I'll have more details for ya after a game or two with ya, and if you ask me again then, then I could potentially give you feedback on how to take it to that next level, but for now, I just have that gut feeling about you and your potential. Dunno why, but I do think it's true.

the thing is I'm saying you set up this dichotomy (personal reads vs. no personal reads) and then no matter which side I choose you say it's scummy. if you say one side is scummy and the other one wouldn't have been, it doesn't make sense to go saying "owait now the other side is also scummy".

Like I said. Kinda calling it as I'm seeing it. I don't even remember my posts well enough to honestly know what you're talking about for sure, pie. I don't doubt that there's a contradiction, but since I flat-out don't even remember it, that's about as much as I can say.

I read this as "I can't answer this question so I'll call him town and hopefully he'll stop questioning me" 0.0
I'm really not sure if I'm actually legitimately seeing all this or if it's just paranoia

Well, you are seeing it, though not quite that. I can't answer the question, I am calling you town, and I find the questions towards me a little bit distracting, but I don't mind them. Helps me get a firmer grasp of things overall, I'd say.

[mastin2]

that'd be fine, but last time I tried that it turned out the person in question was just doing a good job of emulating her town meta T_T

Fair 'nuff. In fact, it's more than fair enough; it's exceptionally fair.

'Cause another part about Mastin meta is...there is no real true Mastin meta. I vary my play each game, adapting it to the playerlist regardless of my alignment, though the reasons of course differ. (As town, to best work with the others. As scum, to best manipulate them.) So it's fully possible that a scum-me is managing to convincingly-fake that town-tone, that legitimacy. Especially since I typically do things legitimately even as scum a fair bit. (For instance, legitimate roleclaims. There may be a one-little-lie in said roleclaim, but a scum-me's favorite tactic is to use that almost-truth roleclaim for massive towncred.)

But for what it's worth, I'm town. This game would be easier if I were scum ('specially given how much practice I've gotten this year ), but I'm town, soyeah, we'll have to figure this out, hash things about, and lynch scum.

[morph the cat]

Mastin, I'm kinda surprised. I figured you'd be interested in getting potentially last will and testament stuff from us just in case that shot was real.

I'll be back in about an hour. I think Cabd will be around to discuss our music preferences for last rites and stuff.

[mastin2]

Mastin, I'm kinda surprised. I figured you'd be interested in getting potentially last will and testament stuff from us just in case that shot was real.

Didn't you give them already?

[morph the cat]

And you don't want to engage us on them/reason them out.... why, exactly?

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 1.10

[5] MafiaSSK (zMuffinMan, BROseidon, Psychlone, thezmon221, Morph the Cat)
[2] BROseidon (thenewearth, mastin2)
[2] pieguyn (Varsoon, Mac)
[1] Morph the Cat (waynegg)
[1] thenewearth (pieguyn)

[2] Not Voting (MafiaSSK, Ghostly Penguin)

With 13 alive, it is 7 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-11-14 13:00:00)

[morph the cat]

Lol. Ok then.

[morph the cat]

Hey piiiiiiiiiie, you got some splaining to do.

[pieguyn]

hi bork <3

that shot was fake as fuck. I am a 1-shot vigilante but I must submit my kill via PM. I asked bork if I could fake my shot in thread (didn't want to break another rule ) and he said yes.

I'm about to fall asleep any second now so that extra fluffy post I made right before the new page was cause I was trying to get bork to pagetop so that way I could end this without any second thoughts and fkin sleep @_@

MafiaSSK's very first post after I made that shot leans obvscum (sad that he got shot without really being pissed off about it). the rest of it leans town but it could be because he realized the shot might be fake = = kind of conflicted on the read I got from him.

[pieguyn]

and yeah, I still have to use my shot on D1 or else I lose it. the only fake part was shooting in thread

[morph the cat]

and yeah, I still have to use my shot on D1 or else I lose it. the only fake part was shooting in thread

You shouldn't have said this part.

[morph the cat]

MafiaSSK's very first post after I made that shot leans obvscum (sad that he got shot without really being pissed off about it). the rest of it leans town but it could be because he realized the shot might be fake = = kind of conflicted on the read I got from him.

He sounded just like caught scum, compare to generic in Red Wedding Mafia (it's in completed theme games or on my (cabd's) wiki) after he thought he had been hammered.

[thezmon221]

Fair enough. I do suppose lynching a lurker is a totally useful and totally informative lynch.

Useful in that someone who's not even trying to play will not affect the rest of our gameplays in future times, and informative in that we have a wagon to analyze.

So I agree with you.

How are you feeling about TNE's recent posts?

I didn’t read the PbP, firstly.

Regarding Post 886, however, her case does have a strikingly decent amount of merit. By that post alone, I would say she’s town. However, overall she’s more null-town due to earlier posts.

and yeah, I still have to use my shot on D1 or else I lose it. the only fake part was shooting in thread

Why the fuck haven't you used it yet, then? Sounds like wayne's right and it was a scum gambit imho.

[pieguyn]

hey that's exactly what I was thinking about his first post after the shot

okay so I wanna shoot him for real now. thoughts?

@thezmon: were you even reading his posts

[thezmon221]

Disregard that last part. Missed the last paragraph of Post 985.

[morph the cat]

Sounds like wayne's right and it was a scum gambit imho.

You think scumpie makes a dayvig gambit, gets SSK to claim, and then thinks he can walk away without getting lynched into the fucking ground when no dayvig shot goes off and day one ends?

[morph the cat]

okay so I wanna shoot him for real now. thoughts?

Ffery's out getting her eyes fixed or something like that, so it's just cabd here, but yeah, I didn't like that reaction. This is important though:

Does your vigshot end the day, or continue it?

[thezmon221]

EBWODP:

Yeah, I read it. And it sounds to me like he's content being useless and lurky. If you don't have a real strong read, I'd go ahead and shoot him since he doesn't sound like he wants to change his game.

Sounds like wayne's right and it was a scum gambit imho.

You think scumpie makes a dayvig gambit, gets SSK to claim, and then thinks he can walk away without getting lynched into the fucking ground when no dayvig shot goes off and day one ends?

It's not out of the question.

Why would town-anybody make such a gambit if not for reals?

[pieguyn]

let me ask bork

[pieguyn]

no it doesn't end day

should I shoot now then or should I wait for other people to say stuff

[pieguyn]

Why would town-anybody make such a gambit if not for reals?

hint: it's a reaction test

look at how we're all talking about his reaction :>

[morph the cat]

Wait, but we'll use it with enough time to finish out the day. Something about the setup just clicked to me, actually. Nacho should know what I mean when I say that borkie is using the same trick andy did in red wedding regarding odds and evens.

[morph the cat]

EBWODP:

Yeah, I read it. And it sounds to me like he's content being useless and lurky. If you don't have a real strong read, I'd go ahead and shoot him since he doesn't sound like he wants to change his game.

Sounds like wayne's right and it was a scum gambit imho.

You think scumpie makes a dayvig gambit, gets SSK to claim, and then thinks he can walk away without getting lynched into the fucking ground when no dayvig shot goes off and day one ends?

It's not out of the question.

Why would town-anybody make such a gambit if not for reals?

I find this amusing because I fucking love gambits and reaction tests as both alignments. See: paradox prime, AMOL, achievement unlocked, xenogears....