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Post Post #2775 (ISO) » Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:35 am

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In post 2671, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:
In post 2630, Ghostly Penguin wrote:
In post 2608, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:Didn't you replace in yesterday? Why didn't you say something then?
Had little enough time to read the damn thread and had better things to do re: catching up as it was. You'll also noticed we didn't vote yesterday also, and I'm pretty damn on the move about placing a vote. Why didn't I answer this question earlier, you may also be asking? The fact we're on page 101 and I'm trying to get the energy to read the damn thread in full (I've made it up to 70ish + pages after we replaced in after this post) is the other reason.

Yeah, I may be lazy and unmotivated by Ghostlin standards, but I'll just not fuck with you here: I've been pretty busy mafia wise, and the game thread is pretty damn dry.
The plan was quoted pretty much every page after it was declared; I don't know how you missed it.
I don't cry misrep often, but this is what is fucking is.

I didn't
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the plan. I had other fucking better things to do than kvetch about a plan that was motivated at the time from a Town slot (and a slot I'm still reading as such). Whining about a plan I think is fucked up<Trying to catch up, scumhunt and give relevant reads.

Short version: I didn't whine about the plan because I had better fucking things to do. That and I wanted Penguin's opinion and I didn't get to synch with her about it until that night.

In post 2700, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 2637, Ghostly Penguin wrote:
In post 2636, ProHawk wrote:Oh, and you should check out this game if you are going to just claim a meta tell on me. Otherwise, I would love to hear why my "disengaged" play is scum-play.

NY: Rust

I had 77 posts in a game of almost 2k posts. Heck, you can check any NY or large game. So excuse me while I call your read BS.
Do you find this as an acceptable reason NOT to lynch you? God damn, I hate people who come up with the defense of 'I always lurk', (which is this defense's twin brother) and then smartly say 'now prove it's scum-play'.

Not being in the game can be scum play because it's play generally regardless of alignment, and some times is play that regardless of alignment, gets you to the endgame.
One of my neighbors says we need to lynch your ass because 19 posts in 13 days from you too points to a scum role. While I almost choked on the pot-calling-the-kettle-blackness of it all, there may be some validity here.

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Your neighbor is full of shit, bad and they should feel bad? The question itself is fucking loaded, but here goes:

1) It's not comparing two congruent things. I'm not walking in here and claiming that this is my play regardless of alignment, so 'nah nah nah'. I am disengaged somewhat with PA this game. That would be an excellent reason to lynch me if you were actually looking for reasons for it. I don't have a fucking defense to offer there. With Prohawk, the lurking is the defense. Not being engaged is being parlayed into "well, I always do this, why should I be lynched for it?" (That's a paraphrase, btw.)

Whenever your defense hinges on "well, I always fucking do this", that's not a Town trait. Nor is a town motivated reason. Towns often don't act for multiple reasons, boredom among them. But a lot more of the honest of them just come out and admit it. This is almost taunting you with it. "I always do this, so you don't have a reason to lynch me!" Bitch, please.

2) The argument itself is kinda asinine. You are literally using the fact that I'm making a post and a half a day as a reason for lynching me for not being active enough. And I've done the majority of them. Now, if you have substance problems, that's one thing, but that means I tend to the thread and listent to your reasons and how you think how incredibly bad I am for wanting Nero to eat rope because he's literally voting Muff on 'lol, scumslip'.

As my partner pointed out to me, Nero wasn't even Nero that game, but Smegol. And yet, he's using it as hard and fast evidence of Muffin forgetting for being scum. That's some pretty hot mafia yoga, kids. It reads like stretching to make a move, and lacks sincerity. You know, I no longer vote 'because, gut' votes. Why? Generally the person making them is fucking honest. They probably honestly dislike the person for reasons they can't vocalize. Nero's vote was more of a move to find reasons, which is not a Town tactic in motivation.

3) The final argument is that this is not the kindest of times for this little muitiheaded vehicle for the hydra that fucking could. I feel our participation and posts as a team are down all over the site. Maybe we deserve to be lynched mostly because no one punishes players that are performing poorly anymore-but I'm not just going to roll over and let that fucking happen.


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Post Post #2776 (ISO) » Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:38 am

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Ghost, you need to take another look at my defense because you are just plain wrong.
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Post Post #2777 (ISO) » Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:39 am

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In post 2758, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 2594, Ghostlin wrote:
In post 2553, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 2515, zMuffinMan wrote:which stuff?

i've played with nero a few times before (a couple years back) but it has nothing to do with why i think he's scum here.
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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=29987

Its rather ironic that in that game Monkeyscum got lynched for pretending to have not played with me and now Muffinscum is getting lynched for lying about not having played with me recently.
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Here's the reason: I don't necessarily remember my scum/town games, how I fucking played, etic. This is treated as a scum slip, which is just fucking terrible but not usually scummy, but Nero's using it for the lynchpin to attempt a lynch here. Consider, for a minute the sum total of actual scum hunting he's done this game--if his questions really were fucking serious, he could of come up with a case or something this game except: 'muffin lied because he said he wasn't in a game recently, but I found a game where he was..'

It's flimsy. And considering Nero Cain's been around a bit, one would expect he'd try a tact that, oh, I don't fucking know, did something.

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He never made the argument that he forgot so why do you think he forgot?
Right. You actually can't refute the fucking argument so you cry chainsaw. I think he forgot because I don't keep track of every alignment of every game with every player I've been in, particularly if I'm trying to blot it from my memory banks.

But, please, go on trying to find lame reasons for believing what you do.
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Post Post #2778 (ISO) » Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:54 am

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Vote Count 3.15


With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Nero Cain (5): zMuffinMan, VoidedMafia, Lord Mhork, Harakiri, Ghostly Penguin
VoidedMafia (4): 1baldeagle1, uʍop ǝpısdn, ProHawk, Nero Cain
KingdomAces (3): Garuda, BBmolla, morph the cat
Seanald (2): pieguyn, PeregrineV
ProHawk (1): Lost Butterfly

Not Voting (3): Seanald, KingdomAces, Espeonage

Deadline for Day 3 is Tuesday, November 12th, at 3:00pm EST (site time).
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Post Post #2779 (ISO) » Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:45 pm

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Hey guys, let me recap and I'll probably make a post detailing my thoughts this evening.

I would appreciate a couple of recaps for me to get some perspective from. I will skim the thread though.
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Post Post #2780 (ISO) » Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:48 pm

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In post 2779, Espeonage wrote:Hey guys, let me recap and I'll probably make a post detailing my thoughts this evening.

I would appreciate a couple of recaps for me to get some perspective from. I will skim the thread though.
We mislynched a lurker noob day one, and nailed a scumfuck day two. Most discussion in day two was us nailing down a plan to win the mechanics for town. Now we're working on scumhunting.
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Post Post #2781 (ISO) » Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:31 pm

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Reading this thread is death.

To put my forebearers stuff into the light. I have no idea what either of them were doing and they both looked like they wanted to be heros and got mad that they couldn't.
I've started my reading on day three and have about 15 pages left of todays stuff to get through. So far, I'm unhappy about the eggs in the basket idea, but I like the random aspect of it. I feel that investigations of any kind are incredibly important for us as town if we are presenting a pool of people for scum to shoot and it's pretty given in a game as large as this that at least one scum is going to be seen as pretty damn town, so I'd be looking to keep the top townreads fluid-ish and making sure that any major money sending is offset by a transfer back between a member of the top towns to another. (Like if three people happen to send the same person money and thy had quite a bit to send.)

The biggest issue with trying to break the game is that there WILL always be the factor that both scum teams have the drop on town. Knowing more leaves alot in the open. Letting tracker slip is a HUGE loss, which should probably be punished as subversion of information roles is entirely scum at this point.

More later.
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Post Post #2782 (ISO) » Fri Nov 08, 2013 3:22 pm

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Morph, did your read of Voided change?
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Post Post #2783 (ISO) » Fri Nov 08, 2013 3:34 pm

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I don't think my read of Voided will ever change. I've widened my focus a little.
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Post Post #2784 (ISO) » Fri Nov 08, 2013 3:38 pm

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Ghostlin why do you seem so upset this game
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Post Post #2785 (ISO) » Fri Nov 08, 2013 3:45 pm

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In post 2756, morph the cat wrote:
In post 2710, KingdomAces wrote:PV, I just remembered that you were in MattP's Large Normal as well, so you should know that I'm completely useless even when I am caught up to the game.

Anyway, reading Nero now.
In post 2711, KingdomAces wrote:D1 Nero spent the entire time calling Hana scum for sheeping Nacho. I agree that she shouldn't have been doing that but it was pointed out several times by several people that it was completely null, yet he continued to press it. The other points (contradicting themselves, saying that Eagle is good enough to fake a townslip as scum.) were just as weak, since self-contradiction is only an indication that someone isn't sure of something, and... I just don't understand how the latter is scummy at all. D2, the entire day for him was arguing that Mhork didn't make him appear. Honestly, that entire thing was ridiculous, as well as completely null and I don't know why anyone let it continue as long as it did.

Doing D3 later. From the first two days though, it seemed like all he ever did was pressure people for doing things that were wrong, even though they weren't actually scummy. That's the easiest way to fake content as scum, and the fact that he hasn't really done all that much else on those days makes me lean scum on him. I'll finish this tomorrow.
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What's the problem with the second quote? Although professing a scum read on the largest wagon is convenient in her shoes, the actual points she's making are perfectly valid.
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Post Post #2786 (ISO) » Fri Nov 08, 2013 3:59 pm

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In post 2785, Lost Butterfly wrote:What's the problem with the second quote? Although professing a scum read on the largest wagon is convenient in her shoes, the actual points she's making are perfectly valid.
Pretty much everything about that post made me itch. I got a massive gut ping when I read it. I slept on it, reread it and broke out in hives again.
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Post Post #2787 (ISO) » Fri Nov 08, 2013 4:02 pm

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Are you silently hoping we lynch Kingdom instead of Voided?
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Post Post #2788 (ISO) » Fri Nov 08, 2013 4:08 pm

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In post 2787, ProHawk wrote:Are you silently hoping we lynch Kingdom instead of Voided?
I think he's going to get lynched, and maybe it happens today. I think I may very well wind up with my vote back on him because he's like a scumminess singularity in my universe.

I wish I could talk to Syr directly about why he thinks Voided is town.

We've got 5 scum left if I'm remembering the set-up right. Poking around a bit today seems like a good use of the time that Wage Freeze bought us. The activity in the thread as picked up again. I'm utilizing it.
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Post Post #2789 (ISO) » Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:18 pm

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In post 2690, Nero Cain wrote:Ah yes. Another line from the mislynch Nero playbook. Do you know that I'm accused of overreacting like every game? Sean, town or scum, is correct that I get this kind of flak every game. Considering that you do have experience with me as scum (you were my mod) I'm rather surprised that you'd "scum read" me. How is my play the same as your game?
...I was? I don't really recall, sorry. I do recall you were in the Nightless game, I just don't remember you being scum.

Anyways, I don't really put much into meta and deal with things in the game as they happen, unless I feel the meta argument is compelling enough to be worth listening to, or I trust the arguer's usage of meta enough.

However, as meta as that may be, that doesn't excuse what you did.
In post 2690, Nero Cain wrote:ok. So who, if anyone, tried to detrail the DP wagon?
That, I don't know yet. That hasn't been my highest priority of late.
In post 2690, Nero Cain wrote:Muffin called me scum for having a bad case on Hara. I told him hey wait a second "You guys mislynched, how was that a strong argument?" and then backtracked and said that it's that I was still pushing said case. What you just posted makes it sound like you don't consider a weak case to be scummy.
No, I don't consider all weak cases to be scummy (though I will still contend that the Hermy case is at least as not as bad as you or anyone else is making it out to be). I'm sorry if you have a problem with that.

Muffin's backtracking to that does look suspect, if I'm recalling things correctly, though.
In post 2691, ProHawk wrote:The definition of lurking is critical because you said I was lurking (hint: I am not lurking). Therefore you failing to define such a term only goes to show that you cannot support your argument.
First, no, I don't recall saying you were lurking. I do recall saying that the ratio of posts about yourself to the posts about other people/topics was low, though.

Though...now that I think on it, I do think I recall mentioning how little you seem to have been posting. Are you suggesting that perhaps I'm skewing your activity because of how many posts and pages pop up every day?

(also, since it seems it's actually relevant now, lurking to me is either not posting on a frequent enough basis (aka you're just skimming ahead of being prodded by about 5 hours or less), or if you do post at least a day before being up for a prod you don't really post much of substance. Usually a combination of those two things.)
In post 2691, ProHawk wrote:If you even count posts where there is a combination of content about other people included with my own... there are a total of 26 posts of my 95 total posts that are about me. If you look only at day three content... there are 9 posts out of 30. Not even half of my posts have been about myself. If you had actually been reading my posts, you would have realized that I have not only been talking about Seanald.
That list was...lovely, and I give you an A for effort, but I wasn't referring to what you did D2 or D1, as that has no relation to what your posts have been about recently. And by recently, I mean within the last week or so.

And before you try to accuse me of shifting things, be aware that the very quote you have at B. actually SAYS "This page". Not D2; not D1; not the entire game; not even the beginning of D3 (in complete fairness to you I don't think you actually were here at the start of D3, though I could be wrong). If anything, you're grasping at straws here.

Btw, you are aware that I had a townread on you, right?
In post 2697, PeregrineV wrote:It's almost like salting a wound, but if this is the case, why did you ADVERTISE it and then BID on it?
Pretty good question. The amount of bidding stupidity is getting ridiculous now.
In post 2701, Nero Cain wrote:Do you think Gost is fake raging ala Kuribo?
The amount of almost unnecessary swearing in the first few Ghostlin posts definitely makes me feel like there's some element of faking to it. I asked him about why he's swearing so much but I didn't get a response back.
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Post Post #2790 (ISO) » Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:31 pm

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In post 2715, ProHawk wrote:I would normally attribute it to a change for survival, which in and of itself can come from both sides of the isle. But in this case its definitely got a scummy lean considering the rest of the content.
You mean in the difference between him kinda rudely retorting to mhork vs. him being more passive-aggressive (or something) toward you?
In post 2724, Seanald wrote:? I said ask me something. Your doing nothing to help your self further determine my alignment even though that's what you said your voting me for
That is asking your something. People shouldn't have to conform to your expectations of questions just to get an answer from you on things.

also, why are you suggesting to use Coroner to confirm mhork?
In post 2726, Seanald wrote:Lol ok? Loaded question you already know your answer, or you joined my wagon cuz it was easy and you didn't think I'd say much.
Anyway Numerous reasons, lack of time due to work schedule, other times didn't want to, and other times was busy with another game.
This has a very similar feel to how Nero reacted to Mhork back on D2 to me with the almost immediate jump to the worst-case scenario with the question. It's even weirder considering he still actually answers it like his initial reaction doesn't matter.
In post 2731, pieguyn wrote:also I'm fairly certain Voided is the one that's mafia anyway
Well, you're wrong.
In post 2735, Seanald wrote:one word pieguy, CONTRIVED. everything you've said this page is contrived.
Lol. Grasping at straws much.

Vote: Seanald

In post 2736, Harakiri wrote:I'm just going to take a page from thor's book here and say that we should drive Voided to L-1 and get a claim we can analyse before proceeding further, we already got wage freeze on so... he cant make us lose money by delaying any claim anyway.
What exactly are you wanting me to claim? I've already claimed everything I did each night the following day.
In post 2746, pieguyn wrote:if you believed this, then you would have explained it when you originally said my posting was contrived. in its current state, this post serves no purpose but to scumpaint me.

the fact that you waited for morph to say this, and then threw this on there, makes me think you're scum squirming, rather than actually having a reason to suspect me.
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Post Post #2791 (ISO) » Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:47 pm

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In post 2753, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:Do people still seriously think he's lying about contacting Pyro?
I'm just a little confused as to how that's going to confirm Mhork considering he'd have to be, yknow, dead.
In post 2754, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:*quotes*
Wrong ability, UD.
In post 2759, PeregrineV wrote:*smileys*
Am I missing something while looking at the obvious? Or are we playing "match the motivations"?
In post 2769, Lord Mhork wrote:She doesn't like how this game makes transparency important and how he could be judged for his neighbor actions, and yet is being ignored. It bothers her.
I think most of us are operating under the assumption that it isn't the best idea to give out 3 possibly free targets to scum (correct me if I'm wrong). It feels like it's too past the time to out the Neighborizers, though I guess I wouldn't be opposed if that's what it boils down to.
In post 2773, morph the cat wrote:Syr has Voided as strong town, but I don't understand what Tammy's read is.
It's "to be sorted"
In post 2774, Nero Cain wrote:Here it sounds like you were plenty aware where your vote was.
They were a day apart, but both posts have the same message whether I forgot what I said or not (which I did).
In post 2788, morph the cat wrote:I think he's going to get lynched, and maybe it happens today. I think I may very well wind up with my vote back on him because he's like a scumminess singularity in my universe.
I really do not see why Aces needs to be lynched now or in the near future.

Ghostlin's recent posting makes me feel kinda slightly better about the hydra, but I'm still touchy-feely on them.
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Post Post #2792 (ISO) » Fri Nov 08, 2013 6:01 pm

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VOTE: voided
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Post Post #2793 (ISO) » Fri Nov 08, 2013 6:16 pm

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In post 2791, Voidedmafia wrote:I really do not see why Aces needs to be lynched now or in the near future.
I was talking about you.
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Post Post #2794 (ISO) » Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:12 pm

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Busy weekend, will have to catch up on Sunday.
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Post Post #2795 (ISO) » Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:31 pm

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In post 2792, Seanald wrote:VOTE: voided
lol.
In post 2793, morph the cat wrote:I was talking about you.
Well then you're being stupid.
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Post Post #2796 (ISO) » Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:58 pm

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Post Post #2797 (ISO) » Sat Nov 09, 2013 12:12 am

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Post Post #2798 (ISO) » Sat Nov 09, 2013 12:15 am

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In post 2378, Lord Mhork wrote:Tammy has her own criticisms to the plan. She thinks that even weak town reads should not be throwing their money at the Big Six. Rather we should force scum reads to feel money to the Big Six. She says this mitigates the damage more of scum being in the town bloc. She also thinks there should be a designation of who goes for what.

Also she would like to repeat for pie's sake that she feels the 'let's verify Mhork' thing was super fake. Also she thinks pie is a moron for seriously thinking that confirmed town would try to gambit to get me town cred.

Baldeagle, she wants you to repost how much you sent her.

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Post Post #2799 (ISO) » Sat Nov 09, 2013 12:28 am

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That said, MuffinzMan needs rope too.
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