Mini 1515: Touhou Imperishable Night (Game Over)

[Mac]

lolbork

[mastin2]

(And, yes, I know. I'm not showing conviction in my BRO scumread and even offered an out, so you can construe it as being me preparing for his townflip and justifying it in advance. I KNOW. Doesn't change how I feel about HIS posting, okay? )

[BROseidon]

AND YOU'VE JUST DONE THE "LOOK AT ME ADMIT TO THIS OPENLY SCUMMY THING I'M DOING SO I LOOK LESS SCUMMY" THING. AGAIN.

HOLY FUCK CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN WHY WE HAVEN'T LYNCHED THIS.

EXPLAIN TO ME.

[morph the cat]

But I'm saying I'm town anyway. I'm not using the meta as part of that defense, though. I'm town. Blatantly obviously town. Seriously, SERIOUSLY town this game. I couldn't be more town if I tried. I don't say that often. Hell, I don't think I've ever said it as scum. But I'm not town for meta. I'm town because I'm town. Meta comes into the picture purely on the offensive front.

Holy fuck if you repeat this shit again I'm going to park my vote on you, call it policy, and let ffery handle the day to day operations until you're dead or we're dead.

[morph the cat]

do you disagree, cabd?

He doesn't disagree. Just didn't have as strong opinion as I did.

Though that said, morph's probably town. (The real concern is on Psychlone and GP.)

this is true. i'm worried by the lack of presence from both in the thread.

I'm feeling a little better. I'm hydraing with Nacho in some other games and I know it's hellish trying to synch since his laptop was stolen.

can you expand? im trying to think but it's not coming too me about RW.

I didn't play that game but it has to do with rebalancing the numbers after a one shot day vig plus lynch on day 1 in this game paralleling something with a similar balance effect in the RW game.

thezmon's reaction was weird. pie is claiming compulsive d1 dayvig and he's still trying to throw dirt on it. meeeh

It was, but do scum stick their neck out like that to throw suspicion and discredit on a potential town PR? If pieguyn hadn't already wigged out about our vote and indicated he's be proving himself before day end maybe it would have looked less genuine. maybe.

good to see you did re-evauluate the game to fake your reads, scum

Nah, I haven't re-evaluated the game yet,

you just made a really big post and voted for me

.

Is a big post and a vote on you scummy?

i want to be snarky but that's ffery's job.

I have to feel snarky to be snarky.

to be fair, i don't think this style is alignment-indicative. i recall having the same issue with the way he caught up in xenogears D2 (the post he wrote during N1).

the thing i don't like about BRO's posts is the amount of nothing in his posts prior to just recently. the series of post-responses he was producing earlier in the game had very little game-relevant content and he said he was busy "finding scum" but never actually looked to be trying to find any scum. also the way he sheeped me onto both the wayne and mafiassk wagons irked me.

Yeah this sums it up pretty well.

Since apparently nobody wants to lynch Thez anymore.

See my question to Mac above.

Do you have a scumpile? Want to talk about it?

Kinda. Not solid yet though, given the time we spent on this game.
Not yet.

Soon, please

[mastin2]

Your threats don't scare me, scum

You know, I'll be honest. I get the vibe from BROseidon that he's trying to paint our fight as townVtown. By which, I mean...not that he's town. Not that he "thinks" I'm town. That he's scum, pushing me as 'scum', in the hopes that he'll be written off as town at only the slight cost of me being similarly written off. (Especially since said cost could, in theory, come after my mislynch, and people reading our fight would go, "meh, looks TvT to me".)

Comments like this SCREAM that to me. That he's scum-trying-to-fake-tunneling-town.

To elaborate on this a bit. Nacho if he's town should be able to understand it when I...*shudder*...can't believe I'm doing this, but it's the only example that comes to mind...bring up Walking Dead. As scum, against AD, I used this tactic because it's a decent offensive technique, and because it's also a good defensive technique. I was using it more defensively than offensively, but still, it has a great variety of uses, and is surprisingly-handy. It's also something that can signify cornered scum, which BRO also kinda gives off the vibes of. He's a competent player, but that doesn't mean he's immune to being caught as scum.

Another example that comes to mind is my last newbie game where I was scum. (Forget the number, but it's notable players include JasonWazza and uctriton00. And enomis. And Lucky2u. And RadiantCowbells. I don't remember the other players or the moderator, but I'm sure you can find it.) I used this exact same tactic against uctriton, and it almost worked, too!

AND YOU'VE JUST DONE THE "LOOK AT ME ADMIT TO THIS OPENLY SCUMMY THING I'M DOING SO I LOOK LESS SCUMMY" THING. AGAIN.

Yes. Blatantly. My response now is the same as my response then. I'm not going to lie about things. The truth is what it is, and double-standard be damned, I feel the way I do about that stuff.

...Though...speaking of which...in a way? You're doing the same thing. If the stuff that I'm pointing out about you is scummy (despite me having done it), you're admitting that it was scummy of you to have done it if you think it's scummy coming from me.

HOLY FUCK CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN WHY WE HAVEN'T LYNCHED THIS.
EXPLAIN TO ME.

Because the town's not

stupid

enough to fall for your strongarm tactics. Which is exactly what you're employing here. You're hoping they'll plow through my mislynch and not bat an eye on the scum on the wagon.

Holy fuck if you repeat this shit again I'm going to park my vote on you, call it policy, and let ffery handle the day to day operations until you're dead or we're dead.

Tough. It's the truth. No arrogance. No ego. Nothing. Dead serious, I've never been more town in ANY of my recent games than I am right here, right now. Period. I'll point it out all I want to, because it's the truth. Simple. as. that. So go ahead and vote me for being annoying. But I'm not scum. End of discussion.

[morph the cat]

Wake me up when shit starts making sense, ffery.

VOTE: mastin

[BROseidon]

...Though...speaking of which...in a way? You're doing the same thing. If the stuff that I'm pointing out about you is scummy (despite me having done it), you're admitting that it was scummy of you to have done it if you think it's scummy coming from me.

Where the fuck have I admitted that anything I've done is scummy.

[mastin2]

-I point out scummy thing you've done.
-I admit said scummy thing, I've also done.
-You say I'm admitting to doing scummy thing.
-Thus, you're admitting said scummy thing is scummy.
-Thus, you are admitting to doing said scummy thing.

[BROseidon]

Is this about the self-meta.

Because there's a word I bolded in what you did that doesn't apply to me.

Is reading hard for you, or are you scum? I'm thinking the latter.

[morph the cat]

Your threats don't scare me, scum

You know, I'll be honest. I get the vibe from BROseidon that he's trying to paint our fight as townVtown. By which, I mean...not that he's town. Not that he "thinks" I'm town. That he's scum, pushing me as 'scum', in the hopes that he'll be written off as town at only the slight cost of me being similarly written off. (Especially since said cost could, in theory, come after my mislynch, and people reading our fight would go, "meh, looks TvT to me".)

Comments like this SCREAM that to me. That he's scum-trying-to-fake-tunneling-town.

To elaborate on this a bit. Nacho if he's town should be able to understand it when I...*shudder*...can't believe I'm doing this, but it's the only example that comes to mind...bring up Walking Dead. As scum, against AD, I used this tactic because it's a decent offensive technique, and because it's also a good defensive technique. I was using it more defensively than offensively, but still, it has a great variety of uses, and is surprisingly-handy. It's also something that can signify cornered scum, which BRO also kinda gives off the vibes of. He's a competent player, but that doesn't mean he's immune to being caught as scum.

Another example that comes to mind is my last newbie game where I was scum. (Forget the number, but it's notable players include JasonWazza and uctriton00. And enomis. And Lucky2u. And RadiantCowbells. I don't remember the other players or the moderator, but I'm sure you can find it.) I used this exact same tactic against uctriton, and it almost worked, too!

I've been rereading our games. I feel like I have enough experiential meta now to make some sort of sense out of this.

I had a scum vibe about you pretty early in the WD game, but Nacho talked me out of it for a day or 2. Then we both wanted to lynch you.

I reread Buzzword Bingo and the Chosen game, too. Haven't gotten to day 1-2 of xenogears yet.

There are things you're doing in this game that set off alarms, but not the same stuff that set off alarms in the two games we've played where you were scum. But, I do think there are at least some parallels to the buzzword game, at least in terms of the challenges scum should face. The problem for scum in that game was the web of mutual town reads that sprang up in the first 10 or so pages. It didn't leave room to hide and it didn't leave room for many mislynches.

I feel like this game should ALMOST be that way given the player list, but instead firming up town reads has been a pain in the butt.

I have a tenuous town read on NachoGiF. Very tenuous.

I want to understand what Nacho is talking about, re having seen something like your OMGUS in another game.

[morph the cat]

UNVOTE

VOTE: Varsoon

[waynegg]

Mastin is actually defending. Instead of going mute. Just saying...

[morph the cat]

Mastin is actually defending. Instead of going mute. Just saying...

Have you seen him go mute as scum?

[waynegg]

Nope.

[morph the cat]

He goes mute as town, then?

I've never seen this in any games I've played with him of any alignment.

[morph the cat]

Actually, I think I kinda take that back. During Buzzword Bingo he talked about going quiet as town when waiting for data on a player to materialize or a read to solidify. But, that was in a specific context and not related to defending himself from lynch votes.

He was scum in that game, but I think he was being honest about going into observation mode as town sometimes.

[waynegg]

He disappeared in Xenogears when he had pressure and came back only after the initial push on him died. If he'd been lynched it would be a better comparison, but he didn't really defend himself.

[thenewearth]

k

VOTE: TNE Hey guys he claimed scum, we should lynch him ^_^

really?

Jokes are hard, let's go shopping.

VOTE: mastin

Since apparently nobody wants to lynch Thez anymore.

Again with the sheeping...?

Seriously

Gaise. Are you townreading this guy JUST because of Xenogears mafia?

[BROseidon]

Hey asshat, want me to point out all of the places where I've called mastin scum?

Dat. Misrep.

[BROseidon]

Like, I've been calling mastin scum for far longer than I've been voting him.

(in b4 I have to point out that I'm allowed to have multiple scumreads because scum are going to push the "BUT YOU WEREN'T VOTING HIM" angle)

[thenewearth]

And yet again, if you thought that mastin was scum

Why were you voting thez?

[thenewearth]

I'LL STOP IF YOU STOP

[thenewearth]

BECAUSE THAT IS JUST AS SCUMMY AS A SCUMMY CAN GET

[waynegg]

I'm All for blindly eliminating derp so there're no distractions if a viable scumspect doesn't surface. I like thez, Mastin, psych, morph in that order.

Thez I've said plenty
Mastin because I think this is his scum game
Psych because if Mastin's town, then yeah
Morph because they're the kind of players to recover if anything I hit on was legit