Micro 252: There Is No Doctor - END

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

The Purple Rose.

[sangres]

It's a Nacho/Ffery hybrid. I doubt catching them as scum would be easy.

Not really. Nacho's not been around all that much. We crossed paths for a little while this weekend.

[Lastsurvivor]

As for me, it's mostly a bunch of people not listening to what I'm saying. It's not a wagon you want to be on. Trust me on this.

I listen to what you say. The problem is that you rarely address my actual concerns. Whenever I bring up a point on you, you defend it with something that's not related. E.g., when you responded to my 714 with 716. I wasn't asking why you thought Pittown, or why you were suddenly voting her. I was asking why she dropped off your radar so suddenly, and why you didn't have a strong reaction to Pit's post.

And when you do actually respond to what I'm saying, you say things like this (in response to me saying you've been townreading TiP the whole game):

I no longer have any strong scumreads. Deadline is approaching. I'm compromising. Deal with it.

Which don't alleviate my concerns at all, frankly, because I don't understand the mindset.

[Lastsurvivor]

My play is going to be spotty for the rest of the night, since I have a lot of work to do (have been doing it all day...) H/o, I want to see someone lynched before I go to bed, so I'll be watching and might change my vote.

[Bulbazak]

Don't you think it is much more likely he would buddy you or say he was hesitant to lynch you based on past mistakes?

Given that he's had a hard-on for me recently, no. I think he would know such buddying would be noticed by me.

Nacho also knows that lynching an active player like you would take a lot of effort and burn his towncred even if he gets the lynch. Why wouldn't he take the many easy lynches that he could have over the course of this game? Why make the game more difficult for scum?

He also knows how my mislynch doesn't tend to draw ire on the scum who pushed it. He could use this knowledge to his advantage.

Going after you (Bulbazak) doesn't seem like the sort of thing they would do.

I wouldn't exactly say they've been actively pushing me.

Also, ffery doesn't push mislynches as scum. She hangs back and lets the town lead lynches on each other.

Isn't that what they've been doing? Most of the pushing on my wagon has been done by LS. Heck, Ffery's posts really had nothing to do with why I was scum.

P-edit: LS, it's not my job to make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside. It's my job to find scum. I responded to your questions to the best of my ability. It's not my fault that I don't think exactly like you do.

[Lastsurvivor]

P-edit: LS, it's not my job to make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside. It's my job to find scum. I responded to your questions to the best of my ability. It's not my fault that I don't think exactly like you do.

Just responding to your "Nobody listens to me!" claim.

[sangres]

It's mainly because of the things they aren't saying. For example, Ffery's meta diving is all well and good, if she had been putting more effort into it. The only games she looked up were games that she had already played with me, ergo, she knew what she would find and didn't have to do much. I would have been more impressed if she looked outside that box. She also should have recognized the similarities between this game and Newbie 1429, where I had also ended up a bit aimless. Yet, she keeps quiet about it. Same thing with Nacho.

Actually, I did the meta reads after Nacho put our vote on you, and it was based on F-16's ISO analysis of you in this game, and Nacho asking me to see what I could dig up. And, I think I noted that Newbie 1429 was a really troubling game because I was null/scum reading you from my first readthrough as a replacement, and I pushed you pretty hard about your not having strong stances by the midpoint of that game.

You're right that I intentionally stuck with games we've played, and it was for a couple of reasons. I trust experiential meta more than I do cold meta. During NY165 I read every completed game you had on site trying to refine my read. Now I have that game to review (among others). And it's a cautionary tale in a dozen different ways. The reads list where I had you in the scumpile? I had 3 scum in my townpile. Much of that was the result of doing meta dives on cold meta and comparing notes with scum-Cabd.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

refresh sangres please - was bulb scum in newbie 1429?

[sangres]

refresh sangres please - was bulb scum in newbie 1429?

He was town.

If I hadn't been NKed I would have pushed for either bulba's or Nacho's lynch on day 2 probably. Most likely bulba's. I had a marginally null-town read on Nacho.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

but you're voting him here despite having the same feelings?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

also, can i just say... i dont know where the whole "no lynch is evilbadmojohorribledeath" thing came from. in my eyes, one more day to deliberate and one less mislynch is better, not worse.

[Bulbazak]

A lynch gives us information via a flip that we can work with to find scum. No lynch gives us nothing.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

So, ffery you said that you didn't initially sync up but it has been two weeks since the game started. What are you thinking right now about all the players? Can you update me on your thoughts?

[sangres]

but you're voting him here despite having the same feelings?

We don't have a single completed game where I personally read him correctly. I think I'm getting better but the evidence is pretty thin and Newbie 1429 was a step in the wrong direction. I'm depending on Nacho to read him and hoping to learn something about

how

Nacho reads him.

[Bulbazak]

I'm depending on Nacho to read him and hoping to learn something about

how

Nacho reads him.

Given that Nacho has repeatedly been reading me wrong for awhile, this probably isn't advisable.

[sangres]

So, ffery you said that you didn't initially sync up but it has been two weeks since the game started. What are you thinking right now about all the players? Can you update me on your thoughts?

Yeah we talked a little on Saturday, mostly about my meta results.

Town - Pitoli, F-16 lastsurvivor, ETL
Null - TiP (Nacho has him as very stale town, I think), TPR
Scum - T-Bone (inherited from ChaosOmega but I haven't seen anything that screams town since the replace-out), bulba

[EspeciallyTheLies]

sangres you see bulbazak and tbone as scum together?

[sangres]

sangres you see bulbazak and tbone as scum together?

I can see it, though if so, his play is somewhat unorthodox/against site meta. The other possibility is a scum in my null pile.

[sangres]

F-16 are you rethinking?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

F-16 are you rethinking?

Rethinking what?

[sangres]

You unvoted.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Okay, I'll
UNVOTE:
for a while to talk

F16 are you high right now? Serious question.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Okay, I'll
UNVOTE:
for a while to talk

F16 are you high right now? Serious question.

Why?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I don't want TIP to hammer him - accidentally or otherwise until I finish hashing out everything I want.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

ok but seriously. i forget who you were voting for before. either way you should vote tbone.

p-edit: really you were voting for bulb? that's poop.