Micro 252: There Is No Doctor - END

[T-Bone]

@pitoli - Sangres, LS, TPR, and F-16 has all said at one point or another they'd lynch me, or consider me scum, yadayada. Votes aren't absolute, intent is also there.

@F-16 - Because it would be crass of me to jump to Bulba just because he's voting me. TPR is also my strongest townread and I liked this vote more (over Bulba) when I made it 10 hours ago. I mean I've stated my preference, and then went from there. My progression to Pitoli was based on A) the original issue of his investigation tell thing B) His lack of a satisfactory catch-up to me C) following my strongest townread's read.

@Sangres, looks correct to me. Also we have 3 hours ish.

[Lastsurvivor]

I can't believe you're actually letting ETL derail two lynches. We're 100% ending the day in no lynch now...

> Complaining about impending NL
> Is on a minority wagon

T.T

Also Bulb's switch to T-B makes me uncomfortable (TBF, everything he does makes me a little uncomfortable), if only because it looks like he's setting up bulb vs pit part 2 for tomorrow.

Which is why I'm rescinding on my "I'd lynch T-bone" promise.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Interesting.

Tbone scum reads pitoli but is fine engaging her and responding. Yet when I blow holes through his "case" he refuses to respond.

This is scum at it's finest. Why respond to something that could get you in trouble when you can pretend to be on some high horse and refuse.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

LS! That's bulb! That's literally bulb. When he's scum, you'll be very warm and fuzzy. The very fact that he is making you uncomfortable tells me he is town.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I know you feel you don't want to OMGUS but I think that even from an outsider's perspective, Bulbazak's vote for you is scummy. That's the straw that finally made me vote against him. He is being strategic with his votes.

Deadline is approaching. There are only two votes on Pitoli, and let's think about this: 4 more people aren't going to vote ETL in the next 4 hours. I am not voting Pitoli and likely neither will Sangres, or LS.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

LS! That's bulb! That's literally bulb. When he's scum, you'll be very warm and fuzzy. The very fact that he is making you uncomfortable tells me he is town.

ETL, this really doesn't make sense to apply it universally. Perhaps there was a game where he fooled you as scum and a game where he mislynched you as town. Doesn't mean that you do what is counter-intuitive all the time if you don't actually know what it was that made you read him scum or town.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I know exactly what it was that made me read him different ways. He's not scum here.

TBone is. Fucking lynch him.

[pitoli]

@Sangres:

Tiny misgivings about Bulb... like thinking back to when I felt we had similar thought processes mid-day, particularly regarding F16

T-Bone isn't entirely bad either bc the case on ETL didn't feel genuine, town always has to be wary of last minute wagons though because so much bs scumhunting goes on in the last 24 hours and I understand that

[pitoli]

p-edit: I don't like that Bulb metric at all, ETL.

[T-Bone]

@LS...I'm the leading wagon actually with Bulba.

@ETL I'm engaging Pitoli because he's not jumping up and down screaming "mommy mommy Bone is scum no questions asked". Also he has some town play in his ISO to redeem himself, you really don't. You want to argue with me. Do I even have to quote the recent post where you say "Bone you pussy argue with me and derail this discussion" (sic) Pitoli wants to have a discussion. That's the difference between you and him, and why you've become a person I can't have a discussion with.

@F-16. Nope I got it. I gave ETL a chance, I gave pitoli a chance, I'm giving Bulba a chance. I'm not going anywhere for the next hour, I can wait for him to come back.

@Pitoli, so what made you change your vote? All I saw in thread was ETL jumping up and down about you changing your vote and you saying "ok'. What have I done in the last 12 hours or so since you voted Bulba that changed your mind? Or what about my read on ETL makes you feel like it's coming from a scum perspective?

[Lastsurvivor]

@LS...I'm the leading wagon actually with Bulba.

I'm aware!

[pitoli]

@F-16 - Because it would be crass of me to jump to Bulba just because he's voting me. TPR is also my strongest townread and I liked this vote more (over Bulba) when I made it 10 hours ago. I mean I've stated my preference, and then went from there. My progression to Pitoli was based on A) the original issue of his investigation tell thing B) His lack of a satisfactory catch-up to me C) following my strongest townread's read.

You didn't state any suspicion on me despite the original investigation issue while I had a mini-VLA... in fact you stated that you had a hard time seeing me as scum.

This slide to me is either a convenient scumpush or a conciliatory vote. Don't try to paint it as anything different.

[sangres]

@Sangres:

Tiny misgivings about Bulb... like thinking back to when I felt we had similar thought processes mid-day, particularly regarding F16

T-Bone isn't entirely bad either bc the case on ETL didn't feel genuine, town always has to be wary of last minute wagons though because so much bs scumhunting goes on in the last 24 hours and I understand that

Yeah, I've had flashes where Bulba has made a lot of sense.

I don't think that means he's town. :/

[EspeciallyTheLies]

You did NOT give me a chance. I responded to your case IN FULL and you refused, FLAT OUT REFUSED to engage me about it. I am getting angry now and yes I think you are being a scared scum. I have REPEATEDLY tried to get you to talk and you refuse.

[pitoli]

@Pitoli, so what made you change your vote? All I saw in thread was ETL jumping up and down about you changing your vote and you saying "ok'. What have I done in the last 12 hours or so since you voted Bulba that changed your mind? Or what about my read on ETL makes you feel like it's coming from a scum perspective?

Nothing changed in particular. The fact that I said this though:

I can do {Bulbazak, T-Bone} today but I'm crashing now.

should give you an idea that I was comfortable voting you even before these past 12 hours.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

btw yall I am going to bed because I have to get up and go to work in 5 hours.

I'm NOT moving my vote

because I am sure that Tbone is scum, I have given exact and verifiable reasons, and I will not vote town reads.

So do whatever the fuck you want. If you want a lynch with me on it, it's TBone.

[Lastsurvivor]

LS! That's bulb! That's literally bulb. When he's scum, you'll be very warm and fuzzy. The very fact that he is making you uncomfortable tells me he is town.

I've never played with Bulb, unfortunately. And I don't have much time to do meta diving. :/

That said, I usually know when I've caught scum. Just like you know you've caught T-B, I know I've caught Bulb.

[Bulbazak]

Bulbazak, you didn't respond to my question.

No I didn't. And I don't plan on doing so anytime soon.

I have laid out my case for ETL as to why he is scum. ETL's case is COMPLETE OMGUS, because he is scum. If we're going to make a last minute switch it should be onto him if anything. What have I done to earn your vote Bulba? You're letting ETL whine and AtE his way into a mislynch. What have I done to earn your vote over Pitoli? Or your vote over TIP? I'm not asking what ETL has done to get this vote, what have I done?

Wow. You're actually right, ETL...

But he still insists on hiding behind "no clear leads today"

I haven't said that in awhile.

It was like he knew a PR claim from Pitoli means that he would be lynched.

That's not it at all. It just means I want to be a little cautious. Now put your fishing pole away.

I'm not going to switch to Bulba, I want him to justify his 11th hour change of heart.

ETL is town, I'm not sure about you, and I'm giving Pitoli room for reasons.

if only because it looks like he's setting up bulb vs pit part 2 for tomorrow.

Not interested in a part 2. If she's town, I want to leave her to her own devices for awhile.

[TheIrishPope]

Who do I vote

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Vote for Bulbazak.

[TheIrishPope]

VOTE: bulbazak

[Lastsurvivor]

Not interested in a part 2. If she's town, I want to leave her to her own devices for awhile.

If your Pit lynch hadn't flipped like three times in the past couple days I might trust you on that one.

Pit, T-B. Are either of you willing to switch to Bulb?

If not I'm switching to T-B and going to bed.

PEDIT: nvm thank you TIP

[T-Bone]

I tried to demonstrate my progression to that vote. You were hardly my first choice. We had a choice between you and Bulba, and out of the two of you, voting you seemed like the better choice. I am well aware that you said things that I liked, but you've also done things that I haven't liked. I keep a mental +/- score in my head. I didn't like the thing you did where you asked for an investigation. I liked the way you played early on, questioning things and generally saying things that resonated with me. I didn't like how you came back from v/la, you lost that playstyle that resonated with me in the first place.

Yes you did say that, but Bulba had more support while I just had ETL.

@no ETL, what you say to me doesn't matter. What you continue to do and how you continue to play DOES matter. I didn't want you refuting my case, which you did, I wanted you to address my concerns, which you really didn't. Your counter to my case was about discrediting my read, not refuting it.

Edit: Also, intent to hammer. #917. How is ETL "right"? You didn't say what he was "right" about.

[T-Bone]

@LS oh now I get what you meant by #901. I thought you were saying that I was complaining about being the minority wagon. (yes random but my page just jumped to that post for some reason)

[EspeciallyTheLies]

HI SCUMBONE. HERE IS THE CASE YOU MADE WITH MY RESPONSES. WHERE I NOT ONLY INCLUDED THE QUOTES YOU SO KINDLY OMITTED, BUT I INCLUDED THE CONTEXT YOU ATTEMPTED TO TWIST, AND I SHOWED EXACTLY HOW YOU DID SO. THIS IS ME, BLOWING HOLES, THROUGH YOUR BULLSHIT CASE.

Spoiler:

I took the liberty of linking your responses to the quotes, which you neglected to do for reference. Or you purposely chose to omit them so the context is lost. It's one or the other.

Okay, I would like everyone to keep something in mind. While the whole game has lasted over a week for the rest of you, the entire game has just happened for me in the last day, so everything is fresh in my mind.

But seriously ETL is my strongest scumread.

Vote: ETL

. I wasn't joking when I asked him why he's scum. Why is he scum T-Bone? Well I'm glad you asked. I find ETL's to drop some pretty scum motivated posting. I'll point some out and explain the behind the scenes stuff I see going on.

TiP was pretty clearly looking for stupid scum. There are better ways to get better reactions for better information but I see this as a town tell.

Why pitoli or F-16? I see nothing exceptional on this page.

he's looking for a buddy in TIP. It's scummy to me when a player tries to explain someone else's actions. That's how scum can go "look at me contributing!". I don't like players who go 'look at me contributing!'

"It's scummy to try to explain someone else's actions"? So, giving my impression of what occurred... is scummy. Right.

I'm a daycop. I scanned Pitoli and got a guilty.

You realize that if we lynch her and she flips town, you're dead, right?

"Oh let me set up a lynch all coy like'.

Please read the post I was responding to, and my response. Consider that I believed the possibility of a daycop. Consider that I took the post at face value, and attempted to get him to own his "claim" or discard it. What I see here is a blatant stretching of what was going on in the thread to suit your own ends. If I was trying to set up a lynch on Pitoli, don't you think I'd have been trying a little harder than this?

[quote="TB]

It's nice having an IC in this game. Though I kind of feel like it was just a cruel joke by BBmolla in a game called "There Is No Doctor". -.-

He wants to plant some doubt about the Innocent Child. That's good, scum want that doubt in the air.

I think you'd have to be an idiot to believe that I'm attempting to cast doubt on

A FUCKING MOD-CONFIRMED SLOT.

TIP whatcha doin TIP? Your ISO is full of shit. Like actual shit. It's dripping down the screen. You need to come here and clean this up right away.

Fucking nonsense and nothing posts. Horrific.

VOTE: TiP

No progression into changing his read from F-16 to TIP. It just suddenly happens, and he rages too, because a lot of players do that on this site (me included) so it seems innocent enough right? This is the post that originally set me off in my first read, and I immediately posted in the thread after finishing that page. RE: my first post. Other than trying to justify TIP earlier in the game his posts have been devoid of anyone really but F-16 to this point.

Uh.... are you like... on drugs? Please look at TIP's ISO from game start to this point, post 104. Do I have to spell out what is fucking IN THE THREAD? TIP was being a trolltard and I wanted to push him. This is also barely page 4. What exactly were you expecting... a full reads list with defined explanations, quotes and cases?

Wow. Look at that cop out. He has asked you to justify your suspicion and you shoot back with that?

VOTE: TPR

Don't like this, because the post he is reacting to from TPR is the most townie thing anyone has said this game.

I obviously didn't think so. (But that's scummy right? Pushing people you think are scum?)

More nonsense from TiP.

Anyway... do you know how often people "catch" scum on D1? In RVS no less? Except not really because they weren't lynched. You don't catch scum until they are lynched.

P-edit: TiP is a trolly troll. Why you feed him, Bulb?

Hate hate hate this. "people don't often catch scum on Day 1....(so why bother amiright?)"

Please quote me where I ever said, or even implied, that there's no reason to try on D1?
And, again you neglected to keep the context. I was replying to Bulbazak's post, where he claimed to have "caught" scum on D1. My stating that scum aren't caught until they are lynched is scummy, though, according to you.

What are y'all talking about
It's not even page 10
Chill

I've caught scum on page 1.

What?

They got away in the end, but I still caught them.

I don't like arguments against pitoli.

i dont want to lynch sangres or bbulbd. or tpr.

f16 bothers me. BUGS ME SO MUCH. there is definitely something fucking off about him.

i got nothin on chaso. tip is also confusing. like bulb but on the opposit spectram.

actually fuck it. f16 is going to bother mefor the rest of the game if he lasts through it. ehll if i last through it. i'm probably dying tonight which sucks.

VOTE: f16

Hate this too. F-16 was town when it suited his agenda. Now F-16 is scum again. That's not an evolving read, that's a read of convenience.

You really are an idiot. I've been saying for I don't know how long that something is fucking off with F16 and I want to get to the fucking bottom of it. Not to mention the fact that I was catching up with the thread at the time of this post AND I WAS FUCKING DRUNK. For fucks sake.

I'm gonna sheep TPR today. She is the only one I'm certain could not be scum.

Because of the playerlist I have reasons for everyone to possibly be scum. Through all the massive walls I cant figure out who is scummier. She is the least scummy so she must be town.

Similar thing. Now TPR is town because again, it suits some agenda. That's not an evolving read. Calling the playerlist scum for wall posting...again, that's not reads that are fluid and evolving...it's as if ETL isn't keeping track of his own reads, and instead the reads he is posting look fake because of it.

"When it suits some agenda" lol... and what agenda is that, please? Also, where did I fucking say that everyone on the playerlist was scum because they post walls? Hint: I didn't. What did say was that clogging up the thread with massive wall responses back and forth made it difficult to read. I named 3 specific individuals: Sangres, F16, and Bulbazak. I stated that it was scummy. Scummy. Not that the entire playerlist is scum. That those three were doing a scummy thing. I already explained my thinking on TPR. Several times.

LS do you catch a lot of scum in your history as a townie?

'Let me attack the credibility of a town-confirmed player'. Sorry, LastSurvivor's reads are the most important and trump everyone else's right now.

LMAO. NOW I KNOW YOU'RE FULL OF SHIT. That's an attack? wow. It was an honest question. It wasn't a comment on his skills or a criticism. If it was, it would have been a statement, and not a fucking question. And guess what - no, his reads are not the most important nor do they trump anyone's because whether he's confirmed or not, his ability to find scum is not confirmed. No one's is. When I see evidence to that fact I will sheep that person if I am not confident enough in my own skills compared to theirs.

Um yeah, that's ETL in short. Any questions?

Um yeah, you can fuck off with your case full of misreps and omissions and deliberate manipulations of context.

VOTE: TBag[/quote]