Micro 256 ~ Bailey and Hunt's time is over. (Mafia Wins)

[shos]

Is there a reason youare consistently avoiding my questio? I asked you to link me to a single post. Shouldnt be that hard when you remember thr game by heart. I never said i read it, i said i read the final day, and couldnt find anything. Stop bullshitting and just SHOW ME that you are right if you truly think you are.

[bazinga]

we targeted caled too, just like we said we would. we targeted myko the night before. we were still sticking with the go with the person below you, since taking care of that slot would solve who was scum's nk and remove wifom. it was bulba. you didn't nk caled we did.

VOTE: feirei

daniel it is up to you but it should be obvious. we can make some salient points tho.

I guess you missed this post when you read the final day huh. :/

[shos]

That is plain wrong logic, lol. In a 1v1, one says they killed x, then the other says "no! *i* killed x!".

The proof lies in the post after the hammer. The hammerer did not know if he was right. He said 'sorry if im wrong'.

Meaning that, again, town won with luck. Scum wasnt even there to fight, lol.

[shos]

The only thing they knew was the uncced nurse which happens either way.. 1v1 after cc or 1v1 without cc..

[bazinga]

That is plain wrong logic, lol. In a 1v1, one says they killed x, then the other says "no! *i* killed x!".

The proof lies in the post after the hammer. The hammerer did not know if he was right. He said 'sorry if im wrong'.

Meaning that, again, town won with luck. Scum wasnt even there to fight, lol.

the logic is not wrong and trying to claim "that the proof lies in the post after the hammer" is disingenuous and slimy since brian was a newb and didn't know how to piece it together.

no way could feirei counterclaim after agreeing to go with the strat.

but hey, keep trying to push your scummy little agenda it makes my job easier.

you are not interested in seeing what works, you are only interested in confusing town and dividing it. you aren't trying to weave town together you are only interested in that things go your own way when confronted with a strat THAT WORKED. NOT ONCE BUT TWICE. the strat is a tool it is not gamebreaking or this set-up design would not even be allowed to be used.

you wanting to discard a really good tool cos of...whatever dumb reasons you come up with shows an agenda laced with the underpinings that your wc is not town.

[shos]

Of ciurse im scum, cuz my claims are bad because obviously i know allthe playwrs and who was a newb in which game. Are you serious?

OMG I WON THELOTTERY BY GUESSING 1,2,34,5,6,7 THAT MEANS I CAN GUESS IT AGAIN AND WIN YAY

You are the only one here, correct me if im wrong, who still supports your strategy. Think.

[shos]

Btw if i die tonight it is a nk, 100%

[bazinga]

Of ciurse im scum, cuz my claims are bad because obviously i know allthe playwrs and who was a newb in which game. Are you serious?

OMG I WON THELOTTERY BY GUESSING 1,2,34,5,6,7 THAT MEANS I CAN GUESS IT AGAIN AND WIN YAY

You are the only one here, correct me if im wrong, who still supports your strategy. Think.

^ flail

reads like scum flail to me.

and I think you are wrong.

eta: lol

[shos]

??????
Are you reading the game?

[Desperado]

Are you? TSO and Jacob agree with you. That's all I can recall.

[Desperado]

Looks to me like it's bazinga-desperado-penguin-squirrel-Arc, shos-tso-jacob, and rational off to the side doing whatever it is he's doing.

[RationalMadman]

can anyone give me a good reason to keep nurse hidden

[Squirrel Girl]

Since the only value of the nurse is being confirmable town, the only value in revealing the nurse Day 1 is to prevent the nurse being lynched.

[shos]

can anyone give me a good reason to keep nurse hidden

yes, the nurse is the only one who can become conftown. if we expose her scum will shoot her down.

[ArcAngel9]

Sorry guys, I have been sick since sunday so got behind with this game now!!
I read back from where i left..... Firstly..I am very pissed with RAT, His continous trolling. Its hurting game. If he is town... its just sad.

Okay, Go on... but keep it simple

I have to keep it simple, I'm a dummy.

Basically the point is this. Bazinga is annoyed because in a previous game she caught scum because scum didn't understand the setup. We know this because she voted TSO for not knowing the setup and called him on it. The odd thing is, she was voting Rational for the same reason, but never actually said any of this backstory about him. Also, if she has an issue with scum not knowing the setup, why shift to one over the other? She justifies this by saying that Rational may just be trolling...this ignores that TSO has openly stated he was trolling. All of this says, to me, that she is probably lying about multiple of these points and is changing her story as she goes - therefore it's coming from an unhonest place and she is scummy for it. I would also add that her clarification took a while to come out, when I first asked her why she was more aggressive on TSO than Rat her response was 'well, I think they're both scummy' rather than any actual clarification about why one was better than the other. In fact, she's still a little squirrly about why TSO is better - I think it's all a house of lies and would like to lynch her for it.

I understand your point but I still dont see how you manage to compare TSO with Rat. Though TSO openly said that he is just trolling for reaction test or whatsoever reason, in reality he isn't it but RAT has been intentionally trolling all over the game. You may be logically correct about Bazinga reasonings but its her choice, but how does it will make them scummy? do you have any other strong reasons? apart from this case?

i actually claim vigilante doctor! =D

Now you're not a naive doctor? What the hell is wrong with you. if you're a doctor you know that your role PM don't say which doctor you're.

It's the pointy finger guy and arcanagel for suuuuuuuure

Explain How?

It's the pointy finger guy and arcanagel for suuuuuuuure

reasons?

They are coasting and just pausing as if to think 'who can I vote that will be least angry with me for doing so' rather than scumhunting.

Again reasons? What scumhunting you did so far?

bazinga, isn't the point that if everyone follows the plan, all town player's targets will be known? Anyone town who dies, we know who they targeted; anyone who dies, we can work on figuring out why depending on other flips.

Wait, I am bit confused. Are you talking about the same plan of what Bazinga said? Or Is this a different plan.?


Bazinga, I understand that you have experience playing this game before but please explain me how it will work around for you as it did in past games?

You mentioned that in your last game, Scum did reaction testing and stuff just like TSO but Is it relative enough to say that "TSO" is scum?
It is just a possibility. And also Scum didn't submit night kill in one of those two games... that became plus point to town to win that game..
My point is that...your experience on this is an additional score but expect it work around easily unless there is an evidence to prove your case.

And on the other note, I dont know why there was so much against Shaos ideas... I feel his efforts to see through various methods are bit town.
I dont feel why would scum would just waste his time to explain all that just to earn some town cred.

Shaos, You explained your case multiple times, its kind of jumbled. can you put out your case again in a simple format.
Bazinga, do you have a plan to execute? Lynch or no-lynch? what about night 1 actions? any thoughts?
Jacob, You need to say more.. I can hardly see anything to get a read on you
RAT, Pelase dont open your mouth. You might get lynched today. You can thank yourself for all that trolling you did.
Despo, What would you be up for? lynch or no-lynch? Shaos ideas or Bazinga ideas? what do you think we should about night1 actions? who do you think is scum?
TSO, Stop reaction testing, do you think Jacob is scum? what do you think of RAT?
alien, Is your case similar to bazinga or differet, if so. please explain
Squirel, if that Bazinga or RAT, who else you think is scum? and whats your thoughts on n1 actions.

[ArcAngel9]

AND I am against nurse coming out..unless if Nurse getting lynched at anypoint.
Nurse stays hidden.. Period!!

RAT, stop asking for nurse to come out.

[Squirrel Girl]

I understand your point but I still dont see how you manage to compare TSO with Rat. Though TSO openly said that he is just trolling for reaction test or whatsoever reason, in reality he isn't it but RAT has been intentionally trolling all over the game. You may be logically correct about Bazinga reasonings but its her choice, but how does it will make them scummy? do you have any other strong reasons? apart from this case?

No, ignoring my case I have no case. I sort of feel like I answered all your other semi-questions already, I don't even understand what the point of asking them again is. I thnk I've shown why I disagree with the way Bazinga sorted them and why i think it is scum minded.

Squirel, if that Bazinga or RAT, who else you think is scum? and whats your thoughts on n1 actions.

I have come out in favor of the target up plan, and said so many times. In addition to Bazinga and Rational I also find TSO scummy, but less so because of the way Bazinga pushed on him. I will admit most of my reads are in relation to Bazinga, but I have listed three scumreads that stand alone as cases and would be pretty good with lynching any of them. I'd much rather lynch Bazinga than anyone, but people seem really against that idea, so Rational makes the next best choice.

[shos]

you are asking me for a case.? you mean on RM? or for reasons for my night plan.?

[Malakittens]

1.09

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch

Voting:

*bazinga -
*T S O - JacobSavage [1]
*Desperado - ArcAngel9 [1]
*ArcAngel9 -
*penguin_alien -
*Squirrel Girl -
*shos - RationalMadman, bazinga [2]
*JacobSavage - T S O [1]
*RationalMadman - penguin_alien, shos, Squirrel Girl, Desperado [4] [L-1]

Not Voting:

[0]

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2013-11-21 16:22:00)

[Desperado]

Despo, What would you be up for? lynch or no-lynch? Shaos ideas or Bazinga ideas? what do you think we should about night1 actions? who do you think is scum?

Lynch, Bazinga's, target the person above you, TSO and Shos.

You?

[RationalMadman]

if nurse outs and all doc go on nurse every night we can work stuff out.

[Squirrel Girl]

Why do you think that will be better for sorting stuff out than everyone targeting the player above them? It means Mafia can't kill the nurse, but it also means they can kill anyone else. That will give us one confirmed town, and two allowed mislynches with no other information besides who the Mafia kills. It doesn't sound inherently bad, but it also doesn't sound like a pecan pie either as far as plans go.

[Desperado]

Rat, no one wants to do what you want to do, and you don't have the charisma or cache to change their minds. There are two other plans that have been put forward, do you have any thoughts on those?

[T S O]

I refuse to respond to mollie's case on me.

"He scumslipped."
"I was reaction testing, you moron!"
"idk if scumslip but post-slip play deserves a hammer"

That's actually it

PEdit: Desp I don't get how you can't read me, god knows you have the experience.

[shos]

if we all protect one person, weak doc and doc will protect against quack and CPR(either CPR protects the quack kill or he kills and others protect his kill) and naive does nothing so basically...if we all target one person, nothing happens, except a 1 in 3 chance that we protect that person from the mafia. But..the target's role will not be used too or something...so if the target is mafia or nurse, nothing happens and scum can kill anyone they want, and if the target is town doc, scum can kill anyone, and target might or might not die.

how the hell can this help us work stuff out. seriously. and how on earth will revealing nurse help. goddamn, RM, if you're town, either replace out or just...don't post. I hereby allow you to lurk and sheep me whatever I do.

~~~

I want someone who supports the 'all target the one above' that can give me a single scenario in which town can learn something from this.

my analysis of your offer is this.
weak doc may or may not die.
naive doc is nothing.
doc is nothing.
quack will kill.
CPR will kill.
mafia will kill.

as I analysed earlier, 3.25 deaths, of which 1.25 is surely town. add that to a mislynch and we have a chance to lose immediately after N1.
if weak doc dies(25%) that means that CPR and quack now will have even LESS chance to hit scum. the chances were 25% to hit ONE scum each earlier, so chances for both to miss is 9/16 or 62.5%; if the weak doc dies it becomes 49/64 to both miss which is 76%.

you know what, let's do it this way. suppose that we get lucky, and weak doc does not die, and we hit one scum(no point in speculating about two dead scum lol). the odds for that to happen are slim - 75%*37.5% which is 28%~ - but let's assume it happened. alright then! we have 4 dead people - mafia's target, CPR/wuack target, dead scum, and mislynch(assuming that we don't get SUUUPER lucky). so we have 5 people alive; 3 docs are dead. we have a living nurse which is confirmable(assuming she lives).

great! 5 alive, 1 scum, 1 conftown. what we do? we did not gain ANY information at all; and this, lads, is the second-to-best-case-scenario for town: I made all assumtions pro-town except the one where we don't autowin after N1(this assumption, btw, is right in 55/56 of the cases, or, 98.2%), and still town got to a scenario where it has no knowledge of anything.

compared to your strategy, it is preferable to play this game as mountainous - where nobody uses any powers; that way we have better chances of winning..


so no. we're not doing that.