Mini 1516: Mafia in Space (Game Over)

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Day 1, Votecount 5

Street Hassle

(2) havingfitz, Squirrel Girl

Kid A

(0)

TvK

(0)

My Milked Eek

(0)

T S O

(0)

Banksys Flareon

(2) Street Hassle, Orestes

ICEninja

(1)

Garmr

(1) Banksys Flareon

Squirrel Girl (Nutsy...)

(1) T S O

Orestes

(3) TvK, Kid A, Garmr

Quadraxis

(0)

Herself

(1) ICEninja

havingfitz

(1) Herself

Not Voting (2)

- My Milked Eek, Quadraxis

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is on November 23rd at 7:30 AM PST or in (expired on 2013-11-23 07:30:00)

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V/LA:
Quadraxis until Nov 13th
havingfitz until Tuesday

[ICEninja]

Fitz' first two posts were both vote worthy. Why is it laughable, because I didn't explain why it was scummy at the time? Because that's pretty silly in itself.

Considering how his first post pretty much contained as much content as can be reasonably expected that early in the game and the second post, well OK it was pretty much useless and fluff but I don't see scum motivation in asking what to call someone. So yes, I call you saying your page 1 vote was serious laughable.

That being said, we're on page 8 now and he's provided shit for content so far so I can totally understand why your vote is on him now. I just can't wrap my head around that vote being serious when it was placed.

I think you and SG are both town and I am trying to nip it in the bud now so we can focus on catching scum together. You in?

So you'd like to help me find your scum buddies? Fine by me.

Why do you get the take you have, and, in addition, what do you think of my take?

I've hydra'd before with someone where we just needed to trust each other to post before discussing things in detail. I interpreted what Street said as this head doesn't have the authority to go in to detail about the specifics of the vote but agrees with the vote anyway.

I see where you're coming from, though. I'm really hung up on a town tell from the slot so I have super town-confirmation bias. I'll reread everything tomorrow from that slot pretending to ignore the town tell to see if there's anything really damning, but don't expect my vote to land on Street any time soon.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

My Milked Eek has been prodded.

[TvK]

Ok, let's go through what I missed.

I very much liked the conversation between SG and Street on page 5-6, however, I didn't approve of SG's conclusion, Street's reasoning seems legit to me.

@ Street: I want to work with Kid A, Garmr, SG, and Ice today. Do any of them miss the cut for you two?

Hmm, Kid A? Don't see how he should be in this group. Unless you played with him before...

I still like Garmr's way of posting, same with the Des head of Herself. Very good content in his posts.

I can't really read ICE at this moment. Especially his last couple of posts where he really focuses on Herself. But still, none of his points could maybe convince me to thinking Herself is scummy.

[TvK]

Oh, yeah, and I'm still waiting for Orestes' next post

[Garmr]

I saw you fitz posting in the other thread pokes pokes.

[havingfitz]

I saw you fitz posting in the other thread pokes pokes.

I'm catching up in all my games today. Did you need me to announce it for you beyond the fact my v/LA was over today?

[havingfitz]

And on that note....UNVOTE:

[Garmr]

@fitz Yes yes I did. We need some fresh views and your are a view of interest to others. Personally I don't see anything in rvs as to serious and I don't get the town or scum reads on you. So your input will be much appreciated. "Whispers there's cake as a reward for all test subjects" In a robotic voice.

[My Milked Eek]

Hi,

I'm not lurking or flaking or not showing up, I notified the mod that I'm at a conference (ends in 3 days) and that my access is limited. I can post, but it's annoying (tablet) to type and as you might now, wifi is always dodgy on these sort of things. So my posting will depend on whether the talks I'm following are interesting or not. Or if I'm not too tired when I'm home.

For now: until later.

[Herself]

I can be okay with that milk thing lynched

[Orestes]

I'm exhausted and going to bed; will read and write etc tomorrow morning.

[havingfitz]

Catch up thoughts:

@ICE...Post's 13's "absolutely game changing" proclamation of something that should be apparent to anyone who reads the OP seems a bit over dramatic and ""helpful"".  Then it's compounded with the watch our voting timelines and taking a poll of timezones.  bleh.

@Street...what about desp/Herself is "looking pretty town?"

@Street...who is the town you told Mollie/Herself that you found?

@Banksys...why do you want people (or at least Street Hassle) keeping their town reads to themselves?  Was your issue with the way Street gave out her opinion or for something else?

Like ICE's Post 38.

@Street...could you elaborate on your Banksys scum read? (Same question to Orestes)

Like Garmr's Post 49.

The squirrel schtick is getting old.

@Herself...why is presenting one's self as a maleable "town?" player a good thing?  Do you know SQ is town?  Could she be scum that just doesn't want to commit and would rather sail safely under the radar by letting other's do the work?  Especially if that work is focused towards a mislynch?  And if she is in fact town...what if she is wrong about the "more forceful personality" that she decides is ton and follows along blindly on a scum driven wagon?  [I would also point out at further review that is doesn't appear as if SG is actually following anyone (let alone forceful town reads of hers) unless that describes ICE....who she has also voted for a time].

@ICE...I like to think I give content when I am not v/LA and I have something to contribute.  Neither of which has been the situation up to this point.

@mollie/herself...sorry to "underwhelm," especially in comparison to your contribution up to this point.  As for Sakura's(??) name alternative post.  I thought it was amusing but I didn't feel the need to comment on it.  She answered my page one question...bravo.

wrt desp/herself's Post's 130,...I agree with the comments on Orestes and Empire but the non RVS comment on me could use some explaining (which I see is discussed later).

I find the over analysis and suspicion regarding to first to posts to be amusing and a significant reach. 

#6...as I was not aware Street was a fferly+Empire hydra..seeing a quote of a post (that did not exist) by a player not even in the game was confusing...as I pointed out.  And as we were on the subject of hydras and I only recognized 2-3 players...the "Are there any hydras" was a legitimate question that iirc I ask on occasion.  So post 1 over analysis on me seems ridiculous and malicious.

#9...I was curious as to the reason for SG's facepalm at the fact there was a mollie/desperado hydra.  Anything brought up in this game is subject to discussion so my curiousity as to SG's reaction was genuine.  It was not to undermine anyone.  As has not subsequently been the result of the question....except back on me.  Ridiculous again.

@Herself...why are you talking about policy lynches?  Is it your goal to achieve one?  On lurkers?  And if so...which one?  The ~one who claimed v/LA or the ones who haven't posted at all?  Please explain.  And what was the point of providing an intro to one of my games?  It seems like you are making a lot of effort out of very little content. 

For that matter...Street...can you explain what your link to our first game indicated to you? 

Bullshit  VOTE: Herself  Call it growing suspicions as I've read through capped by the policy lynch crap and over analysis.  I was leaning towards Herself anyway but feel free in include a dash of OMGUS.

More bullshit...encouraging votes on my because my v/LA is over (at 12:13 AM?)  WTF?  My v/LA wasn't a pumpkin waiting for the stoke of midnight.  Some people are asleep at 0013 on a Monday night. 

More bullshit yet again...SG is absolutely right that you are trying to bully her into putting a baseless vote on someone who has been v/LA and had, despite your watching of the clock, not returned.  And for you to bring up the fact you characterized SG as maleable to strong personalities earlier (a point which I already showed was not evident in this game) in some hopes that she would roll over and go...Oh yeah...I am maleable so I'll do what you say" is absurd.

Mod....

doesn't Quadraxis need a prod as well?

Par for the course for Herself.

Annnnd last but not least....I was looking forward to Orestes' "next post" from Sunday night with the promise of their Banksys case...but sadly that will continue to have to wait.

Players I suspect atm: Herself, Orestes, the non-posters.

Players I'm leaning town on atm: Garmr, SG, ICE....Kid A

Everyone else null/TBD.  The most significant of those being Street who I kept going back and forth on as I read. 

That's me caught up.  For those of you who use post counts to scum hunt I will say this.  I do 95% of my posting over the phone (so typically light on content...barring the occasional wall exchange and catch up post) and weekend posting is out of the ordinary for me.  C'est la vie.

[Squirrel Girl]

....Kid A

Is the Kid A part an amusing joke, or are you serious? Because if you're serious I really need to bottle whatever it is he does and save it for whenever I'm scum.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Mod....doesn't Quadraxis need a prod as well?

Quadraxis is on V/LA.

[havingfitz]

....Kid A

Is the Kid A part an amusing joke, or are you serious? Because if you're serious I really need to bottle whatever it is he does and save it for whenever I'm scum.

Well...I didn't realize they only had 3 posts but yeah. I'm leaning town on them. As I read through the game, whenever I came to a Kid A post I either found myself having thought the same things or they made sense. So yeah...early read is a town read.

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Sorry mod...missed that point.

[Squirrel Girl]

You think ICE is town, 1/3 of Kid A's posts are attacks on ICE. Are you just really happy about the Orestes attack? And if you are, why not vote Orestes?

[ICEninja]

Finally some fresh perspective in this thread that happens to be mostly correct FMPOV.

I'm definitely in agreement with Herself trying to influence people (most notably McNustsy Sexytail, though to a lesser extent the other people on her "list" that she wants to find scum with) to .

I find this amusing:

You think ICE is town, 1/3 of Kid A's posts are attacks on ICE.

That "attack" was an RVS vote with a wink in it. You realize that, right?

Granted, I'm of the same camp wondering how the hell this guy is getting free town reads. I'm actually starting to develop a scum read on him as I can really only see scum buddies giving this guy a free pass so easily.

[Squirrel Girl]

That "attack" was an RVS vote with a wink in it. You realize that, right?

I realize Fitz has town read him and I'm asking him about that read and why it happened.

[ICEninja]

Street's posts, even ignoring any confirmation bias, still feel on the town side to me.

I am very much looking forward to Orestes's next post, I'm trying to reserve judgement on him for some more content.

Even though a couple things have bugged me, I'm having a really hard time seeing SG as scum right now.

I haven't really had anything allay my suspicions of Banksys yet. My case there is strong for so early in the game but I'm starting to feel like it's getting dated. I'm looking forward to more content here.

I'm having a hard time seeing the Garmr love. I'm not scum reading him, per se, but I feel like people are letting him off easy.

I am not at all comfortable with the number of town reads I have this game. Either the game is going to be way too easy or a couple players are really pulling the wool over my eyes. Considering how my last game went I'm inclined to believe it is the second. That or scum are hiding in V/LAs, which just doesn't feel fair.

PEDIT: Believe me I'm just as confused about the town read as you. I was just pointing out how badly out of context you brought that "attack".

[Squirrel Girl]

PEDIT: Believe me I'm just as confused about the town read as you. I was just pointing out how badly out of context you brought that "attack".

I would say I brought it up, and then declared it was unlikely to be part of his read on Kid A. You can think it was more RVS than attack and that I was drinking too many Amaretto shots when I called it an attack, but the end result still gels with what I said - that it was unlikely to be part of an actual read. And, if it is part of his read, I'm sure Fitz can let me know that.

[ICEninja]

That makes more sense. Understood.

[Street Hassle]

@Street...what about desp/Herself is "looking pretty town?"

Desp's first three posts, in particular 15 paralleled my thoughts about the posts he was responding to. And, his overall vibe was curious and analytical, which I associate with town-Desp. His vote on you also felt right. If I had been playing solo, I would have been sorely tempted to srs vote you when I saw your first two posts, though you would probably have gotten a pass because I proceed with caution when I think someone voting me looks scummy, even in RVS.

@Street...who is the town you told Mollie/Herself that you found?

My 32 answered this question. So did Empire's 43. Your question has a perfunctory vibe. If you were weighing our posts as carefully as you say, you should have noticed this.

@Street...could you elaborate on your Banksys scum read? (Same question to Orestes)

Empire's 62 will have to do for now.

#6...as I was not aware Street was a fferly+Empire hydra..seeing a quote of a post (that did not exist) by a player not even in the game was confusing...as I pointed out. And as we were on the subject of hydras and I only recognized 2-3 players...the "Are there any hydras" was a legitimate question that iirc I ask on occasion. So post 1 over analysis on me seems ridiculous and malicious.

Noted. I didn't notice that F16 had deleted my hydra slip post so quickly.

For that matter...Street...can you explain what your link to our first game indicated to you?

 

That you seem more tense and jumpy in your first posts of this game than in that one. It's a small point, though.

[havingfitz]

You think ICE is town, 1/3 of Kid A's posts are attacks on ICE. Are you just really happy about the Orestes attack? And if you are, why not vote Orestes?

At the time he made his first post comment on ICE I was of the same mindset. As my catch up indicates iirc. 5-7 pages later and I feel better about ICE. And I haven't said I was real happy about anything. I'm just saying I found myself thinking among the same lines as Kid A.

As for Orestes...I'm not voting him because he's not my main suspect.

[Squirrel Girl]

Could you walk me through what you liked about his Orestes push? Looking back I identified a belief that it was a really weak attack (and found issue with Orestes for agreeing with it) so I'm curious what you liked about the push he did.