A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Tammy]

Okay. Jumping down rabbit hole aborted.

[Alfred Borden]

But I'm kind of confused why you want his opinion when he's not firmly in your bloc.

Because let's face it he's been owning me reads-wise and at this point I think I'm just being a big paranoid baby by not putting him there right this moment.

[Alfred Borden]

Okay. Jumping down rabbit hole aborted.

implying u aren't going to do this anyway.

Also, what do you think about the names on the list I put up?

[Tammy]

Okay. Jumping down rabbit hole aborted.

implying u aren't going to do this anyway.

Also, what do you think about the names on the list I put up?

:p

Well I can stop the oncoming spiral at least with that.

The names look good, but I'm near ready to pass out and I have something to do before that. So I will be able to get back to this tomorrow and talk to you then. I'll make time for it during breaks of lecture writing

[AGar]

ah. in that case what are your thoughts about the lack of kill n1 and n4?

N1 was explained as far as I've read.
N4 there was a kill as far as I'm aware. Unless Barristan wasn't a kill.

Titus' role to me just was like "Ok, give her a shot to use it and then barring weird, kill it with fire."

That was my understanding of why we aborted that lynch yesterday.

[Cephrir]

Trawling part 1.

Need to see more from Messiah. Entry post was complete and also completely unremarkable.
Ok, very next post responding to Cephrir is pretty good. ^5

My probably-just-confirmation-biased ass dislikes this.

I got precisely nothing of any use out of the last three pages.

Ooba is still the best vote.

He went pretty hard after ooba for a pretty long time then eventually grudgingly admits he's town without any progression on the read. It's not like we needed any more confirmation that ooba is town, but there we have it. I think he's probably just about reached my top 3 strongest townreads of all time.

I still don't like Zdenek. Amrun has moved into nullish territory, though that may be due to her being less of a presence in-thread.

I'm also growing more paranoid of Goat; I think I may be unintentionally giving them a pass because CDB is the Coolest Dude.

He gives a lot of throwaway lines to reminding us that he doesn't like Zdenek without ever giving reasons for this; this is the sort of potential awkward bussing thing I'm looking for.

I am fully willing to lynch benmage for Extreme Hubris.

Alchemist, can you shed any light on the circumstances surrounding your entrance to the game?

Chances of being scum with Benmage down. Chances of being scum with Alchemist up.

@quadz

who are your top 3 scum right now?

Ooba, Spyrex, Nautilius.

Could you do a quick bullet why for each?

Ooba - Was scummy D1 (see my ISO for case) and lurked his way out of a D2 wagon
Spyrex - Hammer on Amrun
Naut - Post about how he should try Extra Hard to be town (also discussed in my ISO in greater detail)

Naut is a weaker read than the other two.

I'll just use this as a placeholder for the entire attack on Nautilus. We have to wonder why quadz feels the need to do this. No one ever agrees or follows him on it, but he keeps attacking Nautilus for like five posts and it's pretty much his biggest contribution to the game. What's the point- just to look town? I'm confident enough in my townread on Nautilus to not be unnerved by this.

It's a nulltell but SpyreX could still totally be (and probably is) scum. I don't mind riding stupid hammer rage to kill a hard to lynch SpyreX-scum.

Wow this is awful. Can you explain HOW spyrex totally could be and probably still is scum? You haven't actually presented anything saying why you think Spy is scummy except "he wouldn't have hammered in such a boring way." (So far as I can see, if I'm missing something, please point it out.) Even your gigantic post is full of nothing but townreads, with a bit tacked at the end that says "I'd lynch these three dudes but I ain't tellin' you why."

That said, your gigantic set of posts was a decent start when taken out of the no-case-on-spyrex context, so I'm somewhat of two minds on it.

I'm thinking Zed might be a better lynch.

Why?

In other news,
Unvote: Spyrex
Vote: elleheathen

Why?

I support the SpyreX wagon but like my lonely vote on Nautilius better for now.

I thiiiiink I'm ok with the Zdenek wagon as well, but need to pay more attention to him to make sure I still think he's scum. He's fallen off the radar for me, but it's more because I haven't been paying as much attention to his posts that anything else.

I think this sends Zdenek and elle's stocks both down a little. Also, seeing how he handles the SpyreX wagon here- perhaps we can continue to expect this sort of awkward half bussing from him elsewhere, which is great because that's what I assume anyway!

To this extent? Where he fell completely off the map and produced literally zero content?

My current reads consist of SD Is Lying Scum.

Also I have some townreads. (My previous scumreads include dead scum-Spy, now-town Ooba, and now-null Nautilius).

Here we have the total backdown on ooba and Nautilus just for the record. I believe he was already in the 1v1 at this point though so we should take everything he says with a grain of salt. Well, more than usual anyway.

There are quite a lot of players with whom he had no or virtually no interaction, I think, or at least never expressed an opinion on- so those would be a good place to look too.

[Cephrir]

THe 2404 quote was supposed to go away, but re: 2767- I guess I can pretty easily make an argument in my head either way about this, so I guess you can actually disregard that too (it's referring to alchemist)

[The Alchemist]

VOTE: Titus

[elleheathen]

Still on vacation until tomorrow night but I'll be catching up as soon as I'm home.

Going to have to reread some of this because I'm still not sure what all I missed/wth happened with the whole Titus block thing? Catch up inc.

[Eddard Stark]

Day 5, Vc 3

PrideandJoy (2) -

kanyeknowsbest, Cephrir

Garruk Relentless (2) -

Messiah Complex, SafetyDance

Cephrir (1) -

PrideandJoy

The Alchemist (1) -

Benmage

Titus (2) -

AGar, The Alchemist

Not voting (10) -

Alfred Borden, elleheathen, Garuk Relentless, Goat on a Raft, Nautilius, ooba, Shadoweh, Tammy, Tierce, Titus

With 18 alive it takes 10 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 25th of Novemberat 10:00 EDT
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-11-25 10:00:00)
  
• SafetyDance is V/la

[Eddard Stark]

Prodding Goat on a Raft, Nautilius and Titus

[Benmage]

ah. in that case what are your thoughts about the lack of kill n1 and n4?

N1 was explained as far as I've read.
N4 there was a kill as far as I'm aware. Unless Barristan wasn't a kill.

Titus' role to me just was like "Ok, give her a shot to use it and then barring weird, kill it with fire."

That was my understanding of why we aborted that lynch yesterday.

Shadoweh has made it pretty clear that the "global" block/selfdirect didn't affect his shenanigans. Furthermore he isn't voting Titus for his failure to deliver upon his statement. So wouldn't your inquiry begin with Shadow, and not Titus, who wouldn't know about said shenanigans.....

[Garruk Relentless]

So, um, what's up?

[Messiah Complex]

So, um, what's up?

You're scum and haven't responded to me calling out your total projection on Kanye re: Quadz' lynch.

- Des

[AGar]

ah. in that case what are your thoughts about the lack of kill n1 and n4?

N1 was explained as far as I've read.
N4 there was a kill as far as I'm aware. Unless Barristan wasn't a kill.

Titus' role to me just was like "Ok, give her a shot to use it and then barring weird, kill it with fire."

That was my understanding of why we aborted that lynch yesterday.

Shadoweh has made it pretty clear that the "global" block/selfdirect didn't affect his shenanigans. Furthermore he isn't voting Titus for his failure to deliver upon his statement. So wouldn't your inquiry begin with Shadow, and not Titus, who wouldn't know about said shenanigans.....

I'm voting Titus because I blocked Titus N3 and there was no kill N3 and no one else has claimed any other reason why there would be no kill N3.

You are dense.

[Shadoweh]

Can't believe people are having a go at Shadoweh for killing Katsuki. Not only are you applying hindsight and not offering an alternative opinion as to what you would have done, She said she would do it, where was the disagreement then? Shad, did you know it would go over the global roleblock? Can anyone confirm (by receiving the Titus investigation message or lack of action going through) that what Titus claimed actually happened? Have to wait for her to appear now.

Yes, I knew ahead of time that the 'redirecting' I was referring to being referenced to in my role pm was 'cannot be redirected or blocked'. At least two people have claimed the global rb thing happenbed though.

I don't really think global rb that stops all scum kills couldn't be a scum role though, it's been done before (I think Faraday even had the role) :V The roleblock on the kill is pretty good evidence.

[AGar]

Ok, I missed Shadoweh claiming the Kats death.


My vote remains unchanged.

[Garruk Relentless]

You're scum and haven't responded to me calling out your total projection on Kanye re: Quadz' lynch.

- Des

I'm mostly not interested in arguing with you because you've been deathtunneling me since day one and I just don't have it in my heart to care anymore. Literally anything I do you will construe as scum, so I'm just gonna wait for someone who isn't Tweedledesp or Tweedledance to interact with me. In any case, you won't lynch me today, I can ensure that.

[Cephrir]

You're scum and haven't responded to me calling out your total projection on Kanye re: Quadz' lynch.

- Des

I'm mostly not interested in arguing with you because you've been deathtunneling me since day one and I just don't have it in my heart to care anymore. Literally anything I do you will construe as scum, so I'm just gonna wait for someone who isn't Tweedledesp or Tweedledance to interact with me. In any case, you won't lynch me today, I can ensure that.

That awkward moment when this post is scummy.

[Garruk Relentless]

I was well aware of that fact when I wrote it, yes.

[Garruk Relentless]

It doesn't change the fact that Desperado will construe anything I say as scum ramblings, though.

[Garruk Relentless]

If you wanna chat though, Ceph, I wouldn't mind.

[Cephrir]

I'll probably get to you once I finish going through yesterday.

[PrideandJoy]

Can't believe people are having a go at Shadoweh for killing Katsuki. Not only are you applying hindsight and not offering an alternative opinion as to what you would have done, She said she would do it, where was the disagreement then? Shad, did you know it would go over the global roleblock? Can anyone confirm (by receiving the Titus investigation message or lack of action going through) that what Titus claimed actually happened? Have to wait for her to appear now.

Yes, I knew ahead of time that the 'redirecting' I was referring to being referenced to in my role pm was 'cannot be redirected or blocked'. At least two people have claimed the global rb thing happenbed though.

I don't really think global rb that stops all scum kills couldn't be a scum role though, it's been done before (I think Faraday even had the role) :V The roleblock on the kill is pretty good evidence.

I will note now and save for later the fact that our role is in complete opposition to your claimed one. I.e., the utility of ours is negated by yours. in the same way a role copier / role mimic clashes with a vanillizer. If there happens to be a third party SK-like faction, I would be suspecting you. however, it'd be too much if you were scum (and a scum-role kill modifier like that would have been used on someone other than Katsuki).

[Nautilius]

ummm
so we got prodded

and I lied about catching up
since I apparently have two papers due tomorrow I had no idea about

TIL