Mini 1515: Touhou Imperishable Night (Game Over)

[borkjerfkin]

aw yeah

Votecount 1.55

[4] BROseidon (zMuffinMan, thenewearth, Morph the Cat, mastin2)
[4] thenewearth (Ghostly Penguin, Mac, BROseidon, pieguyn)
[1] Mac (waynegg)
[1] mastin2 (Psychlone)

[2] Not Voting (ArcAngel9, Varsoon)

With 12 alive, it is 7 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-11-17 01:30:00)

[thenewearth]

I'll do wayne and thezmon tomorrow and the following day

Today is just BRO's day.

[thenewearth]

DAT BORK

[pieguyn]

I'll do wayne and thezmon tomorrow and the following day

Today is just BRO's day.

no. do them now, or risk getting lynched :>

[Mac]

I'll do wayne and thezmon tomorrow and the following day

Today is just BRO's day.

what if we lynch you today?

[thenewearth]

Uhm

Why would I divide my attention?

And near deadline?

P-edit: @Mac: Then Lynch BRO tomorrow, Wayne the next day, and thez/arc after.

Now if you will excuse me.
The tea is getting cold

[pieguyn]

cause you might get lynched. I'd think you'd at least wanna share your final reads in case you get lynched

[thenewearth]

My latest reads

Are my final reads

Though

I could say

That mac can replace Thez/ArcAngel depending on what she does

[pieguyn]

wow really

so nothing that's happened since page 28 has changed any of your reads?

also why Mac?

[morph the cat]

Hey Mac! Look what I found.

From NY 165

481 DOMO busses BRO.

533 - orcinus townreads BRO hard. It was based on xenoblade meta, but orcinus couldn't say at the tiime. He thought BRO's play was nothing like his play in Xenoblade where orcinus was his scumbuddy. Orcinus retracted the town read because it was timing-based and he had the timing of a post down wrong. BRO was absent for about 4 days during all this and the heat had died down

[urlhttp://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=5056743#p5056743]post 1034[/post] BRO invites himself to my townbloc. Including this just because my townbloc was riddled with scum in that game.

Ok, so meh. BUT! THERE'S MORE!

Later in the game, my townread was frayed around the edges and I suggested BRO belonged in the scumpile.

orcinus invokes xenoblade meta to say BRO's town in post 3229.

I counter-argue

orcinus argues back And in the very next post, BRO makes an appearance, and says NOTHING about orcinus defending or me expressing concerns.

Next page is my updated reads list.

So, yeah. Maybe not smoking-gun definitive but that's an interesting parallel to this game.

[Mac]

yeah that's really interesting. i mean orcinus wasnt hard defending him like i am here but the similarities are there...

[Psychlone]

Mac's banter with Varsoon is awesome.

Also, Mac's latest catchup feels pretty good except for the rolefish on ffery/cabd.

yo this reasoning sucks

If it were some random player, I'd have no reason at all to call the vote on me suspicious. But when it's NACHO voting me? (Or, for that matter, Ghostlin not having me as a townread?) HELL YES. Voting me and having it be serious is a scumtell. A town-Nacho right now knows DAMN well and good that I'm town, here.

I don't scumread you as quickly and accurately as I used to. Twice I felt scum-mastin in the early game, didn't act on it, let scum-mastin coast. Don't you expect me to refine how I approach you after reading you wrong twice? I'm concerned with how you're handling your interactions with me so far today; in Walking Dead and Chain of Command, you ended up interacting with me more than you usually do to the point where it was excessive. Here, you're pretty much ignoring me and putting me in the "not worried about me yet pile" (perfectly okay), but you're clearly suspicious of us to some extent and not trying to push it at all. Why? Are you trying to fake paranoia of us and not going all the way in with it? Do you think reaching out to me wouldn't be effective? I expect you to seek some sort of reassurance in the early game if you're paranoia or at least get thoughts down on the table about things that I'm doing in case you die early.

The problem lies in how they're not assessing that and realizing it's just paranoia.

I get a lot of paranoid pings about your play from time to time, and usually, I shrug them off and say that I'm being paranoid. Usually when I see some things going wrong with your play I take a step back and give you some room because there are a lot of elements in your scumplay in your townplay so a couple of pings are very rarely anything definitive. This game, I acted on that paranoia instead of instantly dismissing it, and I'm extremely glad that I did.

Mastin, the more you ramble on about this shit the more I want to vote you just to make it stop.

It's not a case of the scum rambles, though.

I want to understand what Nacho is talking about, re having seen something like your OMGUS in another game.

So, Mastin read. Most of the things that I see from him are decent as far as him looking town goes; his dropping reads into the thread was good, his comments on the game state were good, his confidence in his own towniness was good. But I felt like most of his early game play was too focused on image maintenance as opposed to him scumhunting and looking town as a result of it; him going "whoops, I'm obvtown already" in his #14 felt good at first because it was very confident and a hard thing to sell as scum that early in the game with a straight face. His analysis at that point was seriously lacking, though, and I don't see what sort of things mastin did at that point to make him call himself obvtown; hence niggles. Him correcting me on his scum meta? Good at first because it's a ballsy thing to do, right? But why would he do it as town? If he's scumreading me for finding an excuse to townread him, I'd expect him to pursue that line/bring it up although I can see why he would focus on semantics.

...Six names, for 2-3 (depending on SSK) scum slots. Now, that's not to say I don't have reads on these players. I just feel like I need to explore each of them a bit.

This is a nice protown quote and all, but he doesn't actually end up exploring any of them for a very, very long time and soon loses pretty much all of his steam on the BROlynch he was so excited about earlier but doesn't explain why.

I think that mac's push on me and a lot of his long-winded posts are a bit too forceful/making tons of appeals, even flimsy ones. I'm used to town Mac having a lot less venom.

Scum-Mac has even less venom.

but lack of content from gif is scaring me.

GiF has things going on and didn't learn about until recently. He'll be back in a week or so, so you'll have to deal with me in the meantime.

Ugh that game gives both heads PTSD.

HA

I'm hitting skim mode because reads are pretty decently developed at this point but

[Psychlone]

Vote: BROseidon

TOWN BLOCK:
{morph, mastin2, Mac, pieguyn, Varsoon, (waynegg who is probably town because claim but still)}

I'm willing to give AA9 a fuckload of room since we're pretty much immortal based on the number of PR claims outed at the moment and I'm guessing she'll be caught up by Day 3 or so.

[BROseidon]

bro is that seriously all youve fucking got THIS close to deadline?

I posted that from class and just got back from a 10 hour expedition to a nearby college for a lecture. Trying to do more in-depth work now.

[4] thenewearth (Ghostly Penguin, Mac, BROseidon, pieguyn)

I mean...this just...doesn't look like a town-driven wagon at all.

The towniest name there is pie. :/

The towniest name in there is the conf-town.

Wait...

How the fuck does that support your point?

Also you're still scum.

If he thinks I'm town, then he knows that sometimes my reads take on a life of their own after I flip town, for good or ill.

Did you miss the part where I mentioned that I'm pretty sure I caught what your crumb was, and that the only reason I'm not conf-towning you is because I know Cabd is a gambit-ey player? Also, I know your reads can take a life of their own, but I've had less time than I'd have liked recently to convince you that I'm town.

morph, what do you make of bro just ignoring the fact that im hard defending him right now? strange, or normal?

I didn't have time to talk about it in my catchup, and I wanted you/morph to have a decent conversation without me poking around.

Did he ignore being defended in Xenogears? In Death's Diner he actually appealed to Syr/Me (Rift) when he was getting scumread by the rest of the Dethy and it spilled over into the rest of the game on day 1. He was in there making his own defense to parallel what we did on his behalf.

Death's Diner is a horrible baseline because I was trying to slip information to Syry through the rest of the game, because I knew I could get away with that shit if I could get the Dethy thread to listen to logic.

It's hard to find anything else with the treasure trove of fluff which is is ISO.

Says the guy with the interaction with a single player who's posted shit arguments all game. Wait...

@ffery, why didn't you look at a town-baseline that didn't have weird circumstantial shit to see how I respond to other people defending me?

yo this reasoning sucks

I gave a high-level statement that I didn't expound upon. Why the fuck are you calling it "reasoning?"

Nacho your trajectory on your mastin read is literally garbage.

[BROseidon]

Also I like how we let the Thez slot lurk out to replacement, and nobody bothers to pressure AA9 from the onset, despite her being impossible to read without pressure.

Good shit bros.

[morph the cat]

@ffery, why didn't you look at a town-baseline that didn't have weird circumstantial shit to see how I respond to other people defending me?

Because due to hellacious time constraints I'm mostly focusing on games I know for meta right now. If I know the game, then I know who defended you and when. If you want to suggest some games and names, that would be great, but massive unfocused meta searches are not happening this week.

[BROseidon]

Looking through my games, I realized how long it's been since I've had a decent completed one.

Xenogears is the most recent. I can't think of many examples of people defending me in that game. Nick day 1 a bit and Nacho day 2, maybe?

Death's Diner is my next most recent towngame. Shitty baseline for reasons already stated.

Here is my next most recent game. Day 1 is the only one worth looking at. I don't remember anyone going after me substantially in this game.

Rach's game is the one before that. This game probably has stuff for you to work with. Also, you were in it

I'll let you look and see what you find.

[morph the cat]

I totally forgot about rach's game. I don't remember anyone defending you but it's a relatively short read if it comes to that.

[BROseidon]

I think scum-gm may have defended me day 1?

[Psychlone]

Did you miss the part where I mentioned that I'm pretty sure I caught what your crumb was, and that the only reason I'm not conf-towning you is because I know Cabd is a gambit-ey player?

What's the benefit as scum with the claim?

Nacho your trajectory on your mastin read is literally garbage.

Is literally great, actually. Why don't you like it?

[morph the cat]

Or she was attacking me. It was a strange interaction.

[BROseidon]

lacking, though, and I don't see what sort of things mastin did at that point to make him call himself obvtown; hence niggles. Him correcting me on his scum meta? Good at first because it's a ballsy thing to do, right? But why would he do it as town? If he's scumreading me for finding an excuse to townread him, I'd expect him to pursue that line/bring it up although I can see why he would focus on semantics.

...Six names, for 2-3 (depending on SSK) scum slots. Now, that's not to say I don't have reads on these players. I just feel like I need to explore each of them a bit.

This is a nice protown quote and all, but he doesn't actually end up exploring any of them for a very, very long time and soon loses pretty much all of his steam on the BROlynch he was so excited about earlier but doesn't explain why.

This makes it look like you should be scumreading mastin.

[BROseidon]

Or she was attacking me. It was a strange interaction.

I don't remember it that well :/

[waynegg]

@wayne:

can you explain your vote on Varsoon plz? as soon as I saw it I thought you had a certain thing in mind, but I haven't seen said certain thing yet.

Can I or will I? Yes, I can.

[pieguyn]

@wayne:

can you explain your vote on Varsoon plz? as soon as I saw it I thought you had a certain thing in mind, but I haven't seen said certain thing yet.

Can I or will I? Yes, I can.

>_<
explain it plz