Mini 1515: Touhou Imperishable Night (Game Over)

[borkjerfkin]

i rule

Votecount 1.57

[6] BROseidon (zMuffinMan, thenewearth, mastin2, Psychlone, Varsoon, waynegg)
[4] thenewearth (Ghostly Penguin, Mac, BROseidon, pieguyn)

[2] Not Voting (ArcAngel9, Morph the Cat)

With 12 alive, it is 7 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-11-17 01:30:00)

[morph the cat]

It's not so much about ability to read specific players as it has been misreading players I have played with before, both scumreading town and townreading scum, and doing so with a ton of confidence. Death's Diner is a good example of that. So is NY165. Not all my games have gone that badly, but my play is more tentative right now while I figure out how much I trust my ability to develop reads.

I have never felt all that confident of reading Mastin. But, he's put a lot of himself into this game, and I was leaning town. Nacho's read when he got back to the thread shook me a little because I feel like he's better at reading Mastin than I am. That's when I went off and did some digging in our prior games, and decided I still think Mastin is town. And that made me more unsure about Nacho. His posts from last night, explaining what that push was about were reassuring.

I wanted more data from Mac. I got it. I was able to firm up that read.

For me, Ghostlin's quantity of content has been just barely enough to solidify a read. I usually get a pretty strong sense of being on the same page with him about stuff when he's town. It took a while for that to happen, but it was mostly due to lack of interaction, I think.

[Ghostly Penguin]

It's time for "Shit Mastin Says That's Giving Me Fits."

I thought about GP. I'm not sure on it. But I do think Ghostlin's town.

This is giving me fits. Why? Because it shows a palatable backing off of a position he was riding (namely, 'GP is scum') to a hedgy, almost unqualifiable statement 'Ghostlin is Town'. The reason why I say this is it doesn't walk off any shit he says about my partner. No, PA can be scum all she likes, but I, at least, am Town.

Imagine the party we're having in the QT over this one, kids. This is why Mastin's giving me fits alignment speaking. I think he could very well be playing much tighter than in the last game where he was scummy McScummerton and if we're going to catch him, then it'll be on nuance like this.

[BROseidon]

Fuck this shit I'm claiming:

I'm a 1-shot flavor cop you bitches.

[pieguyn]

huh

flavor cop is a weak enough role and so I don't get why it'd be 1-shot to make it even more weak @A@

given the only 1-shot role so far has been a dayvig aka me (relatively strong role), and we already have a flipped VT. not sure here

[morph the cat]

Why would there be a town flavor cop in a game where claiming your flavor is a bad idea?

[Ghostly Penguin]

huh

flavor cop is a weak enough role and so I don't get why it'd be 1-shot to make it even more weak @A@

given the only 1-shot role so far has been a dayvig aka me (relatively strong role), and we already have a flipped VT. not sure here

It's plausible in a near-mountainous. Flavor Cop isn't that much worse than Cop and in the right game, it's arguably better.

I will hammer much closer to deadline, but only to prevent mislynch and I won't be thrilled about it.

[Ghostly Penguin]

Why would there be a town flavor cop in a game where claiming your flavor is a bad idea?

Something like the last Wheel of Time game I played one of the scums had a role that if someone could guess the right person behind an alias, they would get an extra kill. It was shitty for Town. I could link that game for you, if you'd like.

[waynegg]

Because ">>>Important: There are eyes and ears everywhere. Flavor Claim at your own risk in this game.<<<"

A Flavor Cop makes sense. But, they're everywhere so it doesn't make BRO not scum.

[morph the cat]

huh

flavor cop is a weak enough role and so I don't get why it'd be 1-shot to make it even more weak @A@

given the only 1-shot role so far has been a dayvig aka me (relatively strong role), and we already have a flipped VT. not sure here

It's plausible in a near-mountainous. Flavor Cop isn't that much worse than Cop and in the right game, it's arguably better.

I will hammer much closer to deadline, but only to prevent mislynch and I won't be thrilled about it.

This game is near-mountainous? How so? We have claims of a 1 shot dayvig (and the kill to back it up), a 2-target per night doc, a cop that activates on night 2, and now a flavor cop claim.

[morph the cat]

Why would there be a town flavor cop in a game where claiming your flavor is a bad idea?

Something like the last Wheel of Time game I played one of the scums had a role that if someone could guess the right person behind an alias, they would get an extra kill. It was shitty for Town. I could link that game for you, if you'd like.

A Memory of Light. Cabd and I were both in that game. I was half of Selkies.

And yeah, I remember that mechanic. And that's my point. Who is more likely to benefit from learning a player's flavor given the warning in Bork's wall?

[pieguyn]

wayne why aren't you more skeptical of a flavor cop claim? considering you're a "vanilla on N1 cop from N2 on" 0.0

[Ghostly Penguin]

Really shitty for Town because I capped myself in the face with it. (I was a dreamwalker, the role affected dreamwalkers. Dreamwalkers were a combination non consective commuter/neighborizer under the alias of Aes Sedai. (Blue Sister, Red Sister, Green Sister) It was a fucking awesome role! I got to play with it one night.)

So let's say there's a Touhou character that wears a lot of pink, and scum could kill someone additional if, say, they could link up a lot of pink to a character name and a player slot. I don't know how flavors-que that would be, but there's an example.

[waynegg]

wayne why aren't you more skeptical of a flavor cop claim? considering you're a "vanilla on N1 cop from N2 on" 0.0

Sounds like a scum role. Like role cop. For a flavor intensive game.

[morph the cat]

Really shitty for Town because I capped myself in the face with it. (I was a dreamwalker, the role affected dreamwalkers. Dreamwalkers were a combination non consective commuter/neighborizer under the alias of Aes Sedai. (Blue Sister, Red Sister, Green Sister) It was a fucking awesome role! I got to play with it one night.)

So let's say there's a Touhou character that wears a lot of pink, and scum could kill someone additional if, say, they could link up a lot of pink to a character name and a player slot. I don't know how flavors-que that would be, but there's an example.

Are you saying that Flavor Cop doesn't sound like a town role given what we know of the set up?

[pieguyn]

vote: waynegg

vote: waynegg

vote: waynegg

vote: waynegg

vote: waynegg

[Ghostly Penguin]

huh

flavor cop is a weak enough role and so I don't get why it'd be 1-shot to make it even more weak @A@

given the only 1-shot role so far has been a dayvig aka me (relatively strong role), and we already have a flipped VT. not sure here

It's plausible in a near-mountainous. Flavor Cop isn't that much worse than Cop and in the right game, it's arguably better.

I will hammer much closer to deadline, but only to prevent mislynch and I won't be thrilled about it.

This game is near-mountainous? How so? We have claims of a 1 shot dayvig (and the kill to back it up), a 2-target per night doc, a cop that activates on night 2, and now a flavor cop claim.

I'm not saying it -is- one, I'm saying it's -plausible- in one. Also,

if

you believe V's role claim,

BRO

's makes a whole lot more sense.

If you were going to include Super Doctor, you don't want to have Town play Follow-the-Cop. The best way to do this is for your investigative role to have limited payoff so it dissuades it. Also, 1-shot Cop isn't that far fetched from Xenogears where there was a Cop role that lost it's power after 2 Innocents. (Another Bork game.)

The shitty thing about this is BRO is pretty fucking clever and unless he's been asleep the last fucking Day, he could figure out that that'd be a pretty safe role claim.

[morph the cat]

wayne why aren't you more skeptical of a flavor cop claim? considering you're a "vanilla on N1 cop from N2 on" 0.0

Read post 1758 again. pay attention to the double negative.

[pieguyn]

I don't give a shit what he said

here's why

Cabd. I'm night 2 on watcher. Now are you?

claims watcher

wayne why aren't you more skeptical of a flavor cop claim? considering you're a "vanilla on N1 cop from N2 on" 0.0

Sounds like a scum role. Like role cop. For a flavor intensive game.

doesn't say he's not a cop

what the hell

[morph the cat]

Wayne?

[waynegg]

wayne why aren't you more skeptical of a flavor cop claim? considering you're a "vanilla on N1 cop from N2 on" 0.0

Read post 1758 again. pay attention to the double negative.

What? I was writing a story . Let me give you my cell so I can be Johnny on the spot. You've never seen me double negative before, huh? And BRO's claim doesn't do anything for me.

[zMuffinMan]

Why would there be a town flavor cop in a game where claiming your flavor is a bad idea?

[pieguyn]

uh
holy wow

[pieguyn]

why haven't we speedlynched wayne yet

[waynegg]

But I'm townie, and it seems you all want this. Moving with the herd... Wake me when something not boring happens.

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