NY 167: COMPLETELY NORMAL Mafia (GAME OVER)

[goodmorning]

so I'm on V/LA for a couple days

maybe this should go at the bottom of this post but guess what?

STILL LAZY

Votecount 1.52

caledfwitch [L-4] - MC Maraca, Sakura Hana, yessiree, Guyett, Cephrir

orcinus_theoriginal [L-6] - PeregrineV, likeabauss, Hermy

RadiantCowbells [L-7] - RadiantCowbells, orcinus_theoriginal

likeabauss [L-7] - Angry Frat BROs, JacobSavage

Guyett [L-8] - caledfwitch

Not Voting [4] - MVP, TheIrishPope, Toomai, sangres

With 17 alive, it takes

9

to lynch. The day will end in (expired on 2013-11-20 09:39:00)

[MC Maraca]

If Orc flips scum, I'm thinking TIP partner. His "claim now bro" looks like coaching a

scumbuddy

*not* to get derphammered, and then blowing Guyett's reaction-test looks like trying to make sure Orc doesn't have a shit reaction.

Orc's last few pages have been meh; I was expecting a lot more after he got back from V/LA.

Intent to hammer here.

...
Yessiree and Bauss coming out immediately to try to strongarm town into pushing the

mislynch

is scummy, ftr. Bauss's insistence on posting high-level conjecture about Rank's play, while not addressing Orc's play with substance, is scummy.

...

TIP's vote jump is awkward as fuck, and looks scummy, but it wouldn't work with yessiree/bauss's push for the lynch.

Sakura Hana looking super-town these past few pages.

A blunt transition from Intention to hammer a

scumread

to defending a perceived

mislynch

my townread on you is diminishing

I never called Orc a scumread, did I? I kept my read on Orc ambiguous intentionally to prevent a derphammer.

Also, I don't lynch un-CC'd PRs.

ambiguity does not come from town

did you not just play a game with nacho/mara hydra where we were ambiguous with our claim when we were ran up?

[MC Maraca]

what question did cabd not answer?

I've been trying to work with you all game bud, and I explained why I think AFB are town

and, you are trying to lynch an Un-cc'd PR like, the hell?

[Angry Frat BROs]

FratBros, you can keep screaming loudly at the top of your lungs, but I laid out a pretty substantial case against you and your response is pure suck. Just because I'm not continuing to drill at you doesn't mean you're right. You're now attempting to paint me as scum, without laying out any type of case on me. It's quite laughable really.

I substantiated both claims on Rank, with an in-depth analysis of him as a player and his play (based on 10 years of playing mafia with him.) You're asking me to substantiate a meta read that spans a volume of work you couldn't possibly read and understand in enough time to vote appropriately. There's an evolution of play, different archetypes he plays, deliberately different meta on different boards, calculated play refinements based on board play, and then there's a personal level of conversation and post game chats that provides far greater insight and depth on him than simply reading a game he played... you're asking like my meta read on Rank is something simple that I can point to a game or two and say "Here it is."

You're asking like you can only prove somebody is a murderer if they have murdered before.

You laid out a shitty case that was entirely misreps or shitty logic, which I've refuted multiple times. You can say "your responses suck" all you want, but the fact stands that your responses to my responses have consistently been you restating your original point, or you further misrepping what I've said. It's quite laughable, really.

Your definitions of "substantiated" and "in-depth" are shitty. All you've said are, "I know a lot, look at all this time we've spent together, sheep me," when I'm not going to do that over my own judgment. You've laid out the case in such a way that the only way for a person to agree with it is for them to be wiling to mindlessly sheep you. Given the way that you pushed me, I have no reason to believe that you'd represent Rank's game accurately if you can misrep his game to push through a mislynch.

[yessiree]

did you not just play a game with nacho/mara hydra where we were ambiguous with our claim when we were ran up?

there is a difference between being ambiguous about your own claim and being ambiguous about your choice on potential lynch target

[yessiree]

what question did cabd not answer?

I've been trying to work with you all game bud, and I explained why I think AFB are town

and, you are trying to lynch an Un-cc'd PR like, the hell?

who is this addressed to?

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Angry Frat Bros

This wagon could use some more support~

[Cephrir]

Also, I love how the majority of the Caled wagon is comprised of scummy people...
The Caled wagon:
(someone makes perfectly decent case; VOTE)
(I agree; VOTE)
(I agree too; VOTE)
(I also agree, join the wagon; VOTE)

Not liking this at all.

My real problem here is that JacobSavage is the only player I sincerely want to lynch. So I'm hopping on wagons on my null reads to prevent the lynches of my townreads and/or the claimed cop.

town is pretty softcore and indecisive; lacks centralized voice, lacks a leading force

We have a centralized voice, it just sucks.

Why do you not like the Caled wagon?

Because the guy that started it and a few people on it are scumreads for me.

Ok so which few of these (Sak, Yessiree and myself) are scumreads?

Like for real bauss, not everyone who disagrees with you can be scum.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Hermy

Why am I scum

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Everyone

Why is Sakura not scum

[yessiree]

Also, I love how the majority of the Caled wagon is comprised of scummy people...
The Caled wagon:
(someone makes perfectly decent case; VOTE)
(I agree; VOTE)
(I agree too; VOTE)
(I also agree, join the wagon; VOTE)

Not liking this at all.

My real problem here is that JacobSavage is the only player I sincerely want to lynch. So I'm hopping on wagons on my null reads to prevent the lynches of my townreads and/or the claimed cop.

why quote only 1954? no comment for 1952 or 1953? the three posts act as one entity

town is pretty softcore and indecisive; lacks centralized voice, lacks a leading force

We have a centralized voice, it just sucks.

I'm not aware of the existence of this. what is it?

Why do you not like the Caled wagon?

Because the guy that started it and a few people on it are scumreads for me.

Ok so which few of these (Sak, Yessiree and myself) are scumreads?

Like for real bauss, not everyone who disagrees with you can be scum.

are you implying you see bauss as town, because that's the underlying assumption I see

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Also MVP mia

[Cephrir]

I do think bauss is town still, even though he appears to be smashing my townread on him with a hammer. He also is trying to be the central voice, but again, sucks.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

It's not uncommon for scum to claim town PR when they are ran up. You cannot be certain orc's claim is genuine.

This claim also injects the element of WIFOM into our judgement, as I don't see the authenticity of it.

If you want to convince people otherwise, you'd have to show that his play is in line with being a town cop.

k

You haven't shown how my play was in line with being scum all fucking game. I mean, you people don't even bother. My wagon started maybe 4 days ago. I asked for a case yesterday. I have gotten jackshit. Nothing. Not even quotes. There is nothing on me.

Like, how I even got driven up to L-1 baffles me incredibly.

And no fucking shit you can't be certain my claim is genuine, you can't be certain of anything in this game. What we do is we try to make lynches that maximize utility to town. The reason why PRs aren't kept at L-1 (hi TIP) is because town stands to lose more than if it were a VT claim and scum often tries to take the opportunity to hammer them (hi TIP)

Good lord this

cannot

be news to you

It's simple, really. I trust Bauss's ability to read his brother correctly. That's the entire case on you, and that's enough for a lynch. Guilty until proven innocent.

How do I prove myself innocent against a case that does not exist

Are you missing the whole point where bauss is clearly pulling something out of his ass because he will give no meta example

What town motivation is there for the above

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Hermy's ISO shows awful trajectory on his read on me

First he calls me town

Then he sheeps bauss out of nowhere saying that bauss will go next if he is wrong

And now he's championing my Lynch incredibly hard

[yessiree]

Do you still not realize that the case has always existed, Orc?

when someone says he can read his brother, I trust that, because I don't see any reason not to.

and when Bauss says Rank would not replace out as town on d1, I take it for granted.

[yessiree]

How do I prove myself innocent against a case that does not exist

well, as I see it, by your flip. if you were to flip town you can tell bauss to "STFU you can't read ur bro for shit"

[orcinus_theoriginal]

How do I prove myself innocent against a case that does not exist

well, as I see it, by your flip. if you were to flip town you can tell bauss to "STFU you can't read ur bro for shit"

i was going to talk to you some more but this post tells me that that would be an exercise in futility

[yessiree]

doesn't look like your lynch is happening today though, so I'm willing to work with you

Sak gets labelled as town after the exchange with TIP because it's first time I felt I can understand something coming out of her

the lurkers are making this way harder than it should

[orcinus_theoriginal]

what should we do wiht the lurkers

[RadiantCowbells]

Orcinus could in fact be scum.

I'd still rather do Frat Br0s.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Orcinus could in fact be scum.

going to need more than this

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Sak gets labelled as town after the exchange with TIP because it's first time I felt I can understand something coming out of her

sakura is the more sane out of her and tip

TIP.

I mean this is not saying much my friend

[RadiantCowbells]

I never give more than that.

If I were to try to explain why I feel that way, no one would understand it.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I need to choose better games to wnter