A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Tierce]

Agree with Tierce, rabbit holes here and there aside.

Come tell me about those, bonnet lass.

[Tammy]

Agree with Tierce, rabbit holes here and there aside.

Come tell me about those, bonnet lass.

Part of it's residual day one that's silly.

Part of it is residual me worrying about a you/alchemist partnership based on me thinking you had the coin earlier but still tried to lynch him but him not exactly letting on that he gave the coin away, but you've said it was given to you day three during the exchange and given him the name even though elle says that she roleblocked you so how could you have given the name on that day <----- that little tiny part I don't think is exceedingly silly though.

[Eddard Stark]

Day 5, Vc 9

PrideandJoy (4) -

kanyeknowsbest, Nautilius, Tammy, Cephrir

Garruk Relentless (3) -

Messiah Complex, SafetyDance, Titus

Cephrir (1) -

PrideandJoy

The Alchemist (1) -

Benmage

Titus (5) -

AGar, The Alchemist, Goat on a Raft, elleheathen, Garuk Relentless

Not voting (5) -

Alfred Borden, ooba, Shadoweh, Tammy, Tierce

With 18 alive it takes 10 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 25th of Novemberat 10:00 EDT
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-11-25 10:00:00)
  

[Tierce]

Agree with Tierce, rabbit holes here and there aside.

Come tell me about those, bonnet lass.

Part of it's residual day one that's silly.

Part of it is residual me worrying about a you/alchemist partnership based on me thinking you had the coin earlier but still tried to lynch him but him not exactly letting on that he gave the coin away, but you've said it was given to you day three during the exchange and given him the name even though elle says that she roleblocked you so how could you have given the name on that day <----- that little tiny part I don't think is exceedingly silly though.

Let me explain that a bit.

elle didn't roleblock me. elle vanillized me, and I almost flew into a panic when she said she was a roleblocker, because that didn't make any sense (had I been targeted by yet

something else

on N1?). See the posts in which I talked about hoping it hadn't affected the coin. On D2 Daybreak, I got a PM saying I had lost my abilities, so it didn't occur to me it was a roleblocker--the natural assumption there is a vanillizer.

So I wasn't afraid of asking for the coin, because my assumption (which was, blissfully, correct) was vanillizer. I had my timeline wrong at the start, because I thought Syryana could only hand out the coin at Night. That was why I made up the bulletproof bit including

two Nights

, so we would have two Nights of fake protection and hopefully scum not coming after either of us. When I instead received the coin during D3, I realized that my timeline was wrong, but decided to milk it, in case someone showed too much knowledge of events or tried to block me that Night (since my action wasn't Night-roleblockable to begin with, given that I handed in the name on D3--but it might have been blocked by a perma-blocker, thus my coin-related freak out when elle claimed.

Syryana handed me the coin on D3, we played around with some theater to keep people distracted, I gave him the name, N3 had a kill attempt on someone who is not in the game.

How's that?


Want to talk about D1? Is it the Thor thing? I frankly still don't regret that lynch, though it's mostly because I think Thor can be toxic in a game and cannot scumhunt.

[Benmage]

vote prideandjoy

[Tammy]

Agree with Tierce, rabbit holes here and there aside.

Come tell me about those, bonnet lass.

Part of it's residual day one that's silly.

Part of it is residual me worrying about a you/alchemist partnership based on me thinking you had the coin earlier but still tried to lynch him but him not exactly letting on that he gave the coin away, but you've said it was given to you day three during the exchange and given him the name even though elle says that she roleblocked you so how could you have given the name on that day <----- that little tiny part I don't think is exceedingly silly though.

Let me explain that a bit.

elle didn't roleblock me. elle vanillized me, and I almost flew into a panic when she said she was a roleblocker, because that didn't make any sense (had I been targeted by yet

something else

on N1?). See the posts in which I talked about hoping it hadn't affected the coin. On D2 Daybreak, I got a PM saying I had lost my abilities, so it didn't occur to me it was a roleblocker--the natural assumption there is a vanillizer.

So I wasn't afraid of asking for the coin, because my assumption (which was, blissfully, correct) was vanillizer. I had my timeline wrong at the start, because I thought Syryana could only hand out the coin at Night. That was why I made up the bulletproof bit including

two Nights

, so we would have two Nights of fake protection and hopefully scum not coming after either of us. When I instead received the coin during D3, I realized that my timeline was wrong, but decided to milk it, in case someone showed too much knowledge of events or tried to block me that Night (since my action wasn't Night-roleblockable to begin with, given that I handed in the name on D3--but it might have been blocked by a perma-blocker, thus my coin-related freak out when elle claimed.

Syryana handed me the coin on D3, we played around with some theater to keep people distracted, I gave him the name, N3 had a kill attempt on someone who is not in the game.

How's that?


Want to talk about D1? Is it the Thor thing? I frankly still don't regret that lynch, though it's mostly because I think Thor can be toxic in a game and cannot scumhunt.

Hmm...a vanillizer makes more sense. Why I was about to jump down the rabbit hole before was because I thought the coin was a night /night deal. Since Syry commuted night one, he couldn't have possibly have given you the coin on night one, and I didn't get any indication in the neighborhood that he had given it during the day to make me think it was any different. So my wtf paranoia was that he gave you the coin on night two (because the next day you said he already gave it to you), but then you were pushing to lynch him on day three, which didn't make sense because you should have known who gave you the coin and wouldn't be wanting to lynch him if you did have the coin. It's why I really wanted to know what day you got the coin.

As far as Thor - I agree that he can be really toxic. I still do think that the reasoning to lynch him was terrible, and if it was policy then safetydance was just as toxic of an individual but there was the big ol meta push to save him when he wasn't even playing in order to lynch someone who was. They're both toxic, but I'll take someone who's putting in effort and is toxic over someone who isn't and is toxic any day.

[Tierce]

To be fair, at least SafetyDance isn't leading someone in a big ol' thread derailing distraction--I tried to keep you from going in that direction, and you did. Thor is prone to do that much more frequently. And I didn't have a Townread on Thor, so.

And yes, I was pushing Syryana D3. I can tell you that I got the coin after this post, so everything after that was theater between us.

[elleheathen]

Gotta have the luck to be able to do that, G.

Titus(1) or PnJ(2):

Original Roll String: 1d2 (STATIC)

1 2-Sided Dice: (2) = 2

Who are your actual scum reads? And why aren't you actually trying to figure out this game?

This rice roll reads to me as you trying to recreate that day one reaction of oh she's town cuz of this randomness.

Those

are

my actual scumreads. Kanye is another.

And yes, I definitely wanted to revisit not only that it was scum-quads who held the opinion that I was town for that dice roll but to bring back the day I actively pushed/lynched town-Thor. Definitely.

[Tammy]

Gotta have the luck to be able to do that, G.

Titus(1) or PnJ(2):

Original Roll String: 1d2 (STATIC)

1 2-Sided Dice: (2) = 2

Who are your actual scum reads? And why aren't you actually trying to figure out this game?

This rice roll reads to me as you trying to recreate that day one reaction of oh she's town cuz of this randomness.

Those

are

my actual scumreads. Kanye is another.

And yes, I definitely wanted to revisit not only that it was scum-quads who held the opinion that I was town for that dice roll but to bring back the day I actively pushed/lynched town-Thor. Definitely.

Cool and why?

Did you have it in your memory the entire game that scum-quadz town read you for the dice roll or did you have to go back and check real quick?

[Tammy]

To be fair, at least SafetyDance isn't leading someone in a big ol' thread derailing distraction--I tried to keep you from going in that direction, and you did. Thor is prone to do that much more frequently. And I didn't have a Townread on Thor, so.

And yes, I was pushing Syryana D3. I can tell you that I got the coin after this post, so everything after that was theater between us.

And that's where it's residual.

[elleheathen]

Cool and why?

Did you have it in your memory the entire game that scum-quadz town read you for the dice roll or did you have to go back and check real quick?

Nah, I have a terribad memory. I looked back earlier to find my previous roll when making post 4103 to double check that it was at Thor and I noticed it.

My kanye read is out there. My Titus read is mostly just a continuation on my Zdenek read from the previous day, where my vote stayed. Not really sure that the overnight/explanation changes that, hence my vote there. Part of me agrees that it'd be weird of scum to choose to no kill last night just to try and earn Titus some obvious town-cred so that maybe she could clear some of them, too - but then idk, why not if they weren't expecting a vig kill - especially when their kills are getting blocked by something.

PrideandJoy is mostly gut and their weird pushes on me feel like scum baiting to see who bites - in combination with a lot of others points on PnJ that I've read recently, like Cephrir's 4089 that I kind of just nod along/agree with.

There were better reasons at some point - but they got washed up in my week+ of awayness - and again, terribad memory. I keep telling myself I'll go back and re-read but yeah, never do.

So, who are your scumreads and

why

?

[ooba]

I'm back! Catching up.

[ooba]

- I think D3 established that SpyreX cannot be scumbuddies with Titus (Zed)
- AGar's reasoning on Titus seems to stem from a town mindset - I cant see scum going 1:1 so soon after Quadz tried it on D4
- Garruk's push on kanye and the three ability theory look like a paranoid townie mindset - not that difficult to fake though but leaning town

Which leaves TheAlch, elle and PnJ and all three of them have votes on town. I'd really like to vote TheAlchemist the most because
- there have been times, the other two, when I've felt town vibes from their post.
- PnJ's pushes and play seem more random than scum motivated; Also the quadz interaction - if it was bussing, was an awkward bus

Vote: TheAlchemist

[ooba]

I cant see scum going 1:1 so soon after Quadz tried it on D4

1:1 is wrong usage - "I cant see scum going - 'Hey, this happened on N3 - so X is most probably scum' so soon after Quadz tried it"

[Nautilius]

yo nacho
skype me why we're votingn chesskid

[Messiah Complex]

can someone please explain why batshit theory = town?

because fuck that

- Des

[Cephrir]

I find that really convoluted logic is often genuine. Particularly when related to scumhunting. Because scum would just come up with something less crazy, whereas townies often have to try to puzzle out why their gut feels the way it does.

I don't think Garruk's theory really qualifies, though.

[Messiah Complex]

I find that really convoluted logic is often genuine. Particularly when related to scumhunting. Because scum would just come up with something less crazy, whereas townies often have to try to puzzle out why their gut feels the way it does.

I don't think Garruk's theory really qualifies, though.

That's my point. It's hardly even a theory, it's just a guess based off of incomplete information. And when you consider that they chose now, as the 7th vote on the Titus wagon, to whip out their supr sekrit gamebreaking theory stinks too.

- Des

[SafetyDance]

- I think D3 established that SpyreX cannot be scumbuddies with Titus (Zed)
- AGar's reasoning on Titus seems to stem from a town mindset - I cant see scum going 1:1 so soon after Quadz tried it on D4
- Garruk's push on kanye and the three ability theory look like a paranoid townie mindset - not that difficult to fake though but leaning town

Which leaves TheAlch, elle and PnJ and all three of them have votes on town. I'd really like to vote TheAlchemist the most because
- there have been times, the other two, when I've felt town vibes from their post.
- PnJ's pushes and play seem more random than scum motivated; Also the quadz interaction - if it was bussing, was an awkward bus

Vote: TheAlchemist

Isn't the whole point to be looking for in a bus, "awkward bussing"? If it was a perfect bus it would be like what Naut did.

Garruk's theory was completely fake and rightly shot down, and push on Kanye was ridiculous. so no, not from a town mindset. Looks more like someone coming out of the blocks with a lynch target.

Actually ooba, you spoke of coincidences before, irt the last two scum we've had flip, what do you think of Shadoweh softclaiming having a shadow?



So we have two less roleblockers now, since Elle's an actual vanillizer. Two one-shots and one x-shot. One global rber, one active ability rber and one f..knows rber. Up against a possible doc and a possible flavor cop. With a shitload of extras on both side

[Titus]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/184733391/SCA ... 4rqxfr78jl

Those are my notes so far. I'll try to finish the rest over the weekend. If you have any questions, feel free to ask as my handwriting is a bit hard to read at points (not due to quality of scan but due to my own writing. Generally {text} are my thoughts.

[SafetyDance]

Going back over some posts...

You mean besides me bleeding fucking town since page one? No, I don't have an idea.

Katsuki was a bad VIG kill. I wish I was around to try to talk some sense into that,

not that it would have mattered I'm like invisible thins game.

Just checking in. Get back to this tomorrow or next day, busy.

These two things are not unrelated. But it does seem to be the mindset of the day (apathy). Which is interesting considering the last two flips.

VOTE: Titus.

I kinda feel like, given how much softclaiming is going on this game,

if someone really thought they had a reason for the N3 kill to not show up they might have said so by now

. Based just on inthread posting I think P&J and Garruk are still scummier, but this is fine.

I don't get how you can come to this conclusion at this time of posting. Agar had already posted about this before Day4 ended and when he came in today.

@SD, the notes were written prior to my work explosion. The ten pages cover until about page 30 or so.

Full claims benefit scums. I felt compelled to claim but yet

scum found a way around what I did.

If I could have claimed near lylo, scums would have had an impossible time.

So you're calling Shadoweh scum now? Do you even bother to read the thread? Fuck this notes business, just give us proof you're actually reading.

And full claiming helps because it gives us information, not misinformation, less headaches dealing with softclaiming, people are tied to a story NOW, not one they can shape later on at lylo and it then lets us get away with it all, like worry about not lynch this pr or that one, and focus on actual scum hunting.

Pedit - rofl, that's a rather relevant ninja

[Titus]

4120, I hadn't read it was Shadoweh who killed or had acted. It makes sense if his ability is linked to mine. I'm not absolute on Shadoweh being town. Yet, I cannot shake how in sync we were during my reads.

Naut has verified my ability went off as described. If you're pushing me as scum, Naut should also be required to be scum.

[SafetyDance]

But you were already into the days play and responding to people. Selective reading?

It doesn't make sense if his ability is linked, only if it can get through (or before) yours.

If you bothered to look at a VC once in a while you'd see there's a lot more than just I saying your scum and if you bothered to read the thread you'd see there was more than just Naut confirming your ability worked.

[Titus]

Yeah, I had been away for 5+ days due to an emergency So I hadn't read at some points. I didn't know how that happened but I figured I didn't have the time to catch up.

If his ability only works when I triggered mine, they are linked.

Yeah, there's a lot of stuff here. I'm not denying that. Yet, you too are selectively reading and deflecting. The game doesn't center on me.

[kanyeknowsbest]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/184733391/SCA ... 4rqxfr78jl

Those are my notes so far. I'll try to finish the rest over the weekend. If you have any questions, feel free to ask as my handwriting is a bit hard to read at points (not due to quality of scan but due to my own writing. Generally {text} are my thoughts.

literally no one is going to read that shit summarize anything you feel is important mb