A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?


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Post Post #4250 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:19 am

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In post 4247, Nautilius wrote:Lack of other options.
thought so.

But there are other options if you look for them. It isn't particularly hard to at least see more than one. Yet I sense a reluctance from you. Are you tired? Off your game? what's the matter?
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Post Post #4251 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:27 am

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Stronger evidence, i.e. nothing.

Keep flailing, though.
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Post Post #4252 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:31 am

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you never said it was "nothing". You just gave the old "Pffhaw" and left it like that.
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Post Post #4253 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:34 am

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In post 4250, PrideandJoy wrote:
In post 4247, Nautilius wrote:Lack of other options.
thought so.

But there are other options if you look for them. It isn't particularly hard to at least see more than one. Yet I sense a reluctance from you. Are you tired? Off your game? what's the matter?
I can see Titus as a better option, probably.
Goat continues to be scum.

Otherwise what better options do you see? Benmage is town due to meta, Cephrir couldn't be anymore town if he tried, and I don't understand where anyone's suspicion on elleheathen even came from.
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Post Post #4254 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:35 am

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In post 4246, elleheathen wrote:2) Ability that lets me break rules because:
To what extent is this restricted?
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Post Post #4255 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:45 am

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Nacho: What about Garruk?

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Post Post #4256 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:47 am

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In post 4232, Tammy wrote:
In post 4215, Messiah Complex wrote:can someone please explain why batshit theory = town?

because fuck that

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Cephrir already said about how a convoluted theory sounds town, but they've already made clear they're not getting lynched today. Therefore, they're a bad person to push today anyway.
They have implied that they can't be lynched today. While also claiming double-hated status.

I don't give a fuck tbh. I'll stop pushing them as soon as Faraday says I can't anymore

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Post Post #4257 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:02 am

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•Alfred Borden (Empire/Llamarble) - posts 3 paragraph reads at a time but they all feel somewhat irrevelant
•Andrius AGar - claimed roleblocker to Titus N3 (kinda forgot If they did anything before that) probably town now
•Benmage - have not seen this slot do anything town; content to laugh at us D1-D2 (D3?) and then vote D4. progression is scummy in and of itself
•Cephrir - content to be snarky instead of giving a damn
•elleheathen - sucks
•Garuk Relentless (Natarisha/MafiaSSK) - vouched for by Tierce and soft claimed, probably town
•Goat on a Raft (Channeldelibird/AurorusVox) - "there are 6 non-town!" is a shitty town role as it was presented like their entire raison d'etre of existing in this game was to impart that sacred knowledge upon us
•kanyeknowsbest - prolly town.
•Messiah Complex (Desperado/Formerfish) - eh.
•Nautilius (Nacho/Ellibereth) - eh. don't want to lynch
•ooba - changed my mind. more likely town
•Prideandjoy(chesskid3/ActionDan)
•SafetyDance - town
•Shadoweh - town or 3rd party. not worth lynching anytime soon
•The Alchemist - eh. Don't want to lynch
•Tammy - eh. reading back less eh. more townish, don't want to lynch
•Tierce - town vouched by Garruck.
•Zdenek Titus - compliments our role. Also he didn't screw up the one-shots or they'd be clamoring for his death. no not want to lynch even though Agar blocked them on a night of no-kill.
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Post Post #4258 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:07 am

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why is goat scum naut?
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Post Post #4259 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:07 am

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Vote: Titus
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Post Post #4260 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:08 am

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In post 4258, PrideandJoy wrote:why is goat scum naut?
both players are chronic lurkers as scum
cdb is not a chronic lurker as town
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Post Post #4261 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:09 am

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and their ISO has been the worst ISO left alive for the entire game
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Post Post #4262 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:10 am

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In post 2468, Goat on a Raft wrote:
In post 2467, StupendousMan wrote:Goat, what do you think of Shadoweh?
This head really struggles to read Shadoweh. At the moment she's filed under "ehhhhh ... wait until more people die to figure this one out".

In other news,
Unvote: Spyrex
Vote: elleheathen
this is one of the worst things ever
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Post Post #4263 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:23 am

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In post 4252, PrideandJoy wrote:you never said it was "nothing". You just gave the old "Pffhaw" and left it like that.
You just said you were "now voting for stronger evidence". As far as I can tell this evidence boils down to "SafetyDance is already a townJOAT", which a) is stupid and b) she just disproved.
In post 4257, PrideandJoy wrote:•Alfred Borden (Empire/Llamarble) - posts 3 paragraph reads at a time but they all feel somewhat irrevelant
•Andrius AGar - claimed roleblocker to Titus N3 (kinda forgot If they did anything before that) probably town now
•Benmage - have not seen this slot do anything town; content to laugh at us D1-D2 (D3?) and then vote D4. progression is scummy in and of itself
•Cephrir - content to be snarky instead of giving a damn
•elleheathen - sucks
•Garuk Relentless (Natarisha/MafiaSSK) - vouched for by Tierce and soft claimed, probably town
•Goat on a Raft (Channeldelibird/AurorusVox) - "there are 6 non-town!" is a shitty town role as it was presented like their entire raison d'etre of existing in this game was to impart that sacred knowledge upon us
•kanyeknowsbest - prolly town.
•Messiah Complex (Desperado/Formerfish) - eh.
•Nautilius (Nacho/Ellibereth) - eh. don't want to lynch
•ooba - changed my mind. more likely town
•Prideandjoy(chesskid3/ActionDan)
•SafetyDance - town
•Shadoweh - town or 3rd party. not worth lynching anytime soon
•The Alchemist - eh. Don't want to lynch
•Tammy - eh. reading back less eh. more townish, don't want to lynch
•Tierce - town vouched by Garruck.
•Zdenek Titus - compliments our role. Also he didn't screw up the one-shots or they'd be clamoring for his death. no not want to lynch even though Agar blocked them on a night of no-kill.
Excuse me? I'm scumhunting, not to mention doing significantly more than half the playerlist. The is plainly you trying to justify your OMGUS retroactively.

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Post Post #4264 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:36 am

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In post 4263, Cephrir wrote:I'm scumhunting
not in your last ~25 posts you aren't. What 'scum hunting' is there in voting us and calling every post concerning Quadz a bus. And garruk the guy who Tierce has a role-related reason to believe is town. I'd say your efforts are better translated as tunnel for shit reasons.
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Post Post #4265 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:43 am

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In post 4264, PrideandJoy wrote:
In post 4263, Cephrir wrote:I'm scumhunting
not in your last ~25 posts you aren't. What 'scum hunting' is there in voting us and calling every post concerning Quadz a bus. And garruk the guy who Tierce has a role-related reason to believe is town. I'd say your efforts are better translated as tunnel for shit reasons.
There are plenty of posts concerning quadz in this thread that I didn't bring up. I don't care about role-related reasons someone else has, when I have them I'll take them into account, and in the interim I'll keep on keeping on. Even if it was true that I haven't been scumhunting in 25 posts (which it isn't), who cares when I probably average >5 posts in this thread per day. This is a transparently shit reason for voting me.
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Post Post #4266 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:44 am

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you think averaging > 5 posts per day makes you town?
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Post Post #4267 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:46 am

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No, I think it makes it irrelevant if I haven't scumhunted for a few posts, given that I make a high number of posts. Which is what I just said.

Are you already resorting to flagrant misreps?
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Post Post #4268 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:47 am

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In post 4263, Cephrir wrote:Naut switching back mystifies me.
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Post Post #4269 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:19 am

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In post 4242, ActionDan wrote: We already have a town JOAT in safety dance.
Really?

Jesus christ.

You're just...

Not even trying here?

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Post Post #4270 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:33 am

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Unofficial Vote count wrote:
PrideandJoy (7) -
kanyeknowsbest, Tammy, Cephrir, Benmage, The Alchemist, elleheathen, AGar
Garruk Relentless (3) -
Messiah Complex, SafetyDance, Titus
Titus (3) -
Goat on a Raft, Garuk Relentless, Nautilius
The Alchemist (1) -
ooba
Cephrir (1) -
PrideandJoy

Not voting (5) -
Alfred Borden, Shadoweh, Tammy, Tierce

With 18 alive it takes 10 votes to lynch
PnJ is flailing yes - but this is town flailing, not scum flailing ... I'll be happy if I'm proved wrong but I just don't feel it.

Also, the entire game state just doesn't feel like one big scum team anymore - far too many town reads and unless all rest Chaos scum are in {elle, TheAlch, PnJ, AGar, GR} (and even that seems unlikely given voting patterns) - I just can't see it. Let me take a look at VCs again.
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Post Post #4271 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:38 am

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In post 4248, Nautilius wrote:
In post 4075, kanyeknowsbest wrote:the amount scum have to willingly give up for titus to be scum
talk to me about this
scum lynch, no kill, possible scum lynch -> purposefully giving up their nightkill. that sequence of events leading up to them throwing away a nightkill is pretty far fetched imo. the biggest problem is that they are throwing away a nightkill to ~maaaybe~ save titus. why do that when he could fakeclaim something else, still maybe save himself, and keep their nightkill? you have to remember that weve been harping all game that role came before alignment and people have been treating even confirmable claims w. some trepidation (ie safedtydanzo), so theres zero guarantee that throwing away their nk saves titus.
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Post Post #4272 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:51 am

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I can see Titus claiming his actual role because it looks so protown without coordination with scumpartners. If that happens, I don't think they would make a kill since not using her power dooms her.
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Post Post #4273 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:51 am

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Like I see the reasons why it's horribly inoptimal but I can see the replacement making a mistake.
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Post Post #4274 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 9:01 am

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Naut, your theory violates Occam's Razor and assumes what you describe as horribly inoptimal play. When scum go off the reservation, the usual play is to bus and then keep the nightkill right?

Besides, how would my ability serve any useful function to scum? The mod did roles, then alignments.

ooba, why is PnJ's flailing town flailing as opposed to scum flailing. His early game read really scummy to me.
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