Mini 1501: We're On A Boat! (END?! results inside)

[CrashTextDummie]

I know you're well-meaning, Garmr (you're cleared beyond reasonable doubt), but there's no point in speculating before all the cards are on the table.

This should all be pretty clear after Spyrex's and Yates' claims.

[Garmr]

Ok will wait.

[SpyreX]

Its about to get a little more confusing.

I'm the vig. I shot Empire, notscience and Grim.

Ill wait for Yates to continue on before I go through a few things that make 0 sense at the moment.

[Garmr]

wait spyrex arn't you the neighbor

[SpyreX]

Yes I am.

I never said I was JUST a neighbor.

[Garmr]

so we have like 3 confirmed towns I think we are in a good spot.

[Yates]

Interesting.

The reason I jumped all over Fferyllt is because *I'm* the Doc. I didn't want to announce first just in case I was wrong about Spy and he wanted to claim Doc. Low angle play but worth the shot, imo.

I never asked mod who CDB protected N1 [because it obviously didn't work] but I protected SpyreX upon replace in. What I said about why "Fferyllt" protected SpyreX is why *I* protected him. That was my way of calling my protection in case I was killed last night.

I protected CTD last night. I thought he was going to claim Cop today and was trying to throw scum off. Then I realized if *I* was thinking this, scum was probably thinking this.

I knew it was a risky gambit but I figured scum would have to try to kill the "doc" knowing I would be protected. Since I thought Fferyllt was an SK, I marked her as the doc. Her waking up alive this morning is - well - strange. Combine this with my fake Town read on fferyllt and this has me fairly convinced she's scum.

Additionally, I'm on board with Garmr's theory. It looks like a textbook scum trying to set up a mislynch play.

At this point I think we can confidently lynch Fferyllt. If the game isn't over at lynch, SpyreX is an SK so we can just knock him out tomorrow.

Vote: Fferyllt

[Garmr]

Well I think a fferrylt lynch is a great idea and with a doctor,Vig and inspector we pretty much won this game. Anyway If fferrylt is somehow town we lynch CTD there is no way we can lose.


VOTE: fferrylt

[Yates]

If SpyreX killed Grim, scum tried killing CTD last night and were blocked by me. So I think CTD is pretty much confirmed Town at this point.

[fferyllt]

Interesting.

The reason I jumped all over Fferyllt is because *I'm* the Doc. I didn't want to announce first just in case I was wrong about Spy and he wanted to claim Doc. Low angle play but worth the shot, imo.

I never asked mod who CDB protected N1 [because it obviously didn't work] but I protected SpyreX upon replace in. What I said about why "Fferyllt" protected SpyreX is why *I* protected him. That was my way of calling my protection in case I was killed last night.

I protected CTD last night. I thought he was going to claim Cop today and was trying to throw scum off. Then I realized if *I* was thinking this, scum was probably thinking this.

I knew it was a risky gambit but I figured scum would have to try to kill the "doc" knowing I would be protected. Since I thought Fferyllt was an SK, I marked her as the doc. Her waking up alive this morning is - well - strange. Combine this with my fake Town read on fferyllt and this has me fairly convinced she's scum.

Additionally, I'm on board with Garmr's theory. It looks like a textbook scum trying to set up a mislynch play.

At this point I think we can confidently lynch Fferyllt. If the game isn't over at lynch, SpyreX is an SK so we can just knock him out tomorrow.

Vote: Fferyllt

I'm town, and I don't think you can make a case for me being scum based on my play, because I wore my motivation on my sleeve this game, hoping to draw a night kill.

So, I want to think I was right about the CTD slot all along.

Spyrex' kills are in alignment with his stances during the game day, so I'm pretty ok with him being the Vig.

I want to vote you purely on the basis of our abilities clashing the way they do, but with Spyrex claiming three kills, there's a kill missing even if my bullet-proof was used up. The other problem with this theory is that I don't see how scum-you can get to a win given the number of players left, especially after my flip.

So, can we talk about where the final scum lies in this set-up? I'm baffled.

[fferyllt]

I guess it's possible scum skipped a kill to shore up the doc claim.

My flip is going to be a problem for you if that's the case, Yates.

[fferyllt]

So the only real concern about your claim is how you get to LYLO after my flip. Maybe my claim was a surprise but your gambit was already in place.

[fferyllt]

Well I think a fferrylt lynch is a great idea and with a doctor,Vig and inspector we pretty much won this game. Anyway If fferrylt is somehow town we lynch CTD there is no way we can lose.


VOTE: fferrylt

No, if I'm lynched, your lynch priority becomes Yates. Don't mess around with oddball corner cases after you see my flip.

[CrashTextDummie]

I have infinite bragging rights because I sent the mod a PM last night predicting all three PR claims (Peabody investigating NS and Plum, Spyrex killing Empire and NS, Yates protecting Spyrex) and I expect this PM to be posted in post-game.

[Garmr]

Your flip I presume is scum but I wonder if you have a role FFerylt. Were you rolecop or Just vanilla scum. Maybe you were a tracker.

[fferyllt]

I have infinite bragging rights because I sent the mod a PM last night predicting all three PR claims (Peabody investigating NS and Plum, Spyrex killing Empire and NS, Yates protecting Spyrex) and I expect this PM to be posted in post-game.

Are you assuming that I'm lying or that both Yates and I are town?

Because being convinced Yates is town is kind of important to me. If he's town, I don't want to turn this into a 1v1. I want to figure out where the 3rd scum actually is.

[fferyllt]

Your flip I presume is scum but I wonder if you have a role FFerylt. Were you rolecop or Just vanilla scum. Maybe you were a tracker.

You presume wrong. I'm absolutely confident that my play from my first post onward is in line with my role. And my role is BP Town. I'm a fairly transparent player as town most of the time anyway. TI went so far as to be sure that a doctor wasn't off the table in scum calculations yesterday if they had already targeted me, when as VT I would have let the assumption that I was doc lie and hope to soak up the night kill.

[Yates]

I want to figure out where the 3rd scum actually is.

Well... it's you, silly. Your BP doesn't make sense from a balance perspective. Also, why would you be 1-shot while the rest of us are standard unlimited roles?

I don't think scum - down by 2 - is in a position to no kill. Last night, scum had to try for the doc [to prevent another no kill], the cop [to preserve anonymity] or - less optimally - the vig/sk for any prayer at a win. Of course, you already know this.

[Yates]

I went so far as to be sure that a doctor wasn't off the table in scum calculations yesterday if they had already targeted me, when as VT I would have let the assumption that I was doc lie and hope to soak up the night kill.

Then why wouldn't you do the same as a 1-shot BP? This also does not add up. Your job as BP is to draw a NK. Your play flies in the face of this. Why *NOT* let scum think you are the doc? Heck, why not just CLAIM doc?

You are caught scum. Your claim is quite obviously fake. And your play yesterday - especially late in the day - is enough to incriminate you.

[Garmr]

This game is in the bag anyway there's no way for town to lose just lynch her.

[fferyllt]

I want to figure out where the 3rd scum actually is.

Well... it's you, silly. Your BP doesn't make sense from a balance perspective. Also, why would you be 1-shot while the rest of us are standard unlimited roles?

An unlimited BP would be a crazy role for town, especially if you are Doc. It sort of makes sense balance-wise due to Spyrex being multi-shot.

I don't think scum - down by 2 - is in a position to no kill. Last night, scum had to try for the doc [to prevent another no kill], the cop [to preserve anonymity] or - less optimally - the vig/sk for any prayer at a win. Of course, you already know this.

I know that's standard strategy.

When I'm scum, I don't always do the expected. And I seriously doubt you do. I don't forget the Rage game where your scum team won by having one of you claim scum in thread at LYLO and lead the lynch on SK-me.

Try again. If you're town, consider the possibility that I'm what I say I am and think about where the final scum is. At the very least it gives me a chance to think about the game and possibly come up with something that will be useful for town tomorrow.

[fferyllt]

I went so far as to be sure that a doctor wasn't off the table in scum calculations yesterday if they had already targeted me, when as VT I would have let the assumption that I was doc lie and hope to soak up the night kill.

Then why wouldn't you do the same as a 1-shot BP? This also does not add up. Your job as BP is to draw a NK. Your play flies in the face of this. Why *NOT* let scum think you are the doc? Heck, why not just CLAIM doc?

You are caught scum. Your claim is quite obviously fake. And your play yesterday - especially late in the day - is enough to incriminate you.

BECAUSE MISSING KILLS.

If I have been targeted, then I CAN'T be doc in their calculations. Scum would know that if they targeted me.

[Garmr]

I went so far as to be sure that a doctor wasn't off the table in scum calculations yesterday if they had already targeted me, when as VT I would have let the assumption that I was doc lie and hope to soak up the night kill.

Then why wouldn't you do the same as a 1-shot BP? This also does not add up. Your job as BP is to draw a NK. Your play flies in the face of this. Why *NOT* let scum think you are the doc? Heck, why not just CLAIM doc?

You are caught scum. Your claim is quite obviously fake. And your play yesterday - especially late in the day - is enough to incriminate you.

BECAUSE MISSING KILLS.

If I have been targeted, then I CAN'T be doc in their calculations. Scum would know that if they targeted me.

You could of targeted the same player it's that simple.

[fferyllt]

I'm really serious here. I'm almost certain to be lynched. I don't want to be screaming for your head on a pike tomorrow if you're town. I've been on the receiving end of that as town, and it was crippling the next game day.

So show some town flexibility and indulge me in the thought experiment.

[Garmr]

Town has won fferylt what don't you understand if your town why are you worried.