A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Alfred Borden]

How does Benmage have 236 posts??
I get that he's super cheeky but beyond that he's Just There.
He probably shouldn't be getting the E.

Elle should though.
That would be a pretty Excellent Spyrex Bus.
In addition to Excellent Claiming Planz.
In addition to being Previously and Otherwise Town.

If there's one person I've actually read enough times to be confident on it's her.

[Alfred Borden]

I've been town and roleblocked on the night of a nokill twice. One time it was an intentional nokill and the other it was a doc-protect.
I liked Zdenek.
Zdenek helped lynch Spyrex scum and unvoted at the last moment after lynch was pretty much decided and stuck himself on an alternative wagon which would be awfully anti-credit-seeking for a scum.
I like Titus.
Titus helped run up Quadz scum, though more as a chosen alternative to himself than as a chosen from birth to die so that's not as awesome of itself.
I am against a Titus lynch.

I am not against a P&J lynch.

Also, SD scum would require some significant gambits.
Also SD has been probtown or better since D1.

[kanyeknowsbest]

those are 2 good posts please keep making good posts alfred and restore my faith in u (if its not 2 l8 at least)

[Alfred Borden]

I did say I was going to try and recover my posting to good mode didn't I
I still have quite a bit of catching up to do.

[Cephrir]

Unlike Nat, I'm not actually afraid of anything at this point seeing as all the votes on us are bullshit.

MC-They've had it out for us the

entire game

. Literally, all they've done is tunnel on us for one reason or another. No surprise that their vote is still on us.

How is trying continuously to lynch you the whole game in any way bullshit? That's the opposite of bullshit.

[Titus]

So um. Could Titus not have fakeclaimed his role, and then scum were like "Lol we're not giving up our kill cya later bro" then just not voted him today amongst all the apathy?

No. You're forgetting the part about all cops getting my flavorclaim and all actions getting redirected to me. Every cop role would have to be scum which is purely asinine. Also, that would require Shadoweh to be scum with me since he's the one who claimed the kill. It's a very unfavorable move for a scum to make to claim a kill when there isn't supposed to be one.

[Tierce]

Titus: quick one-line reads on playerlist, please.

[Benmage]

How does Benmage have 236 posts??

Impressive huh?




SooooOoooo.... still twiddling, how fun. MoAR pnj votes?

[Titus]

Alfred Borden (Empire/Llamarble) - Lean Town, his latest posts have greatly improved.
AGar - Lean scum. He seems to not be clear as to what his motivations are. Most might put that as a null. I do not.
Benmage - Clear thought process with emotions that match up with the gamestate and player behavior. Town.
Cephrir - Town. Clear rational thought process. He asks intelligent questions.
elleheathen - Null. I go back and forth on this slot. The wagon on her during the early game was shitty. Her actions do not make sense to me, but I'm having difficulty determining whether or not that is because she is playing differently than I would or whether she is scum. Given the amount of scumreads I have, I'm content with letting elle's slot sort itself out for now.
Garruk Relentless (Natarisha/MafiaSSK) - Scum. His behavior is different than his own heads described it should be. I cannot determine the underlying rationale behind anything, which usually means a scum thought process. The timing of her "theory" is just bad as well. It's an attempt to force something terrible.
Goat on a Raft (Channeldelibird/AurorusVox) - Scum. He is far too quick to clear people as town in the early game and seems to be very passive.
kanyeknowsbest - Town, very similar to Cephir although with different playstyles. It took me awhile to get a beat on this slot as he doesn't seem to approach the game as I do.
Messiah Complex (Desperado/Formerfish) - Town. This looks like Desperado's town games. He's attentive to details and doesn't give into mindgames. I have read Desperado wrong in the past, so I cannot be 100% certain on this read.
Nautilius (Nacho/Ellibereth) - Misguided town. He's willing to discuss things rationally. I don't agree with him but he is willing to admit to the strong points and weak points in his arguments.
ooba - Town. I don't always agree with ooba but his motivations and actions are clear.
Prideandjoy(chesskid3/ActionDan) - Scum. That early game reeked of anyone but me type attitude.
SafetyDance - Slight scum. Logic says he's town given the interactions with Quadz but I just cannot shake the thought of this guy being scum. I'll probably let this sort itself out like Elle.
Shadoweh - Strong town lean. His actions make sense. I cannot see anyone claiming a kill when their should be no kill without them being town. We jived very well at the beginning.
Syrana/The Alchemist - Has a death tunnel on me. Cannot intelligently comment on anyone but me. This suggests a hidden agenda. Scum.
Tierce - Town leader. Willing to take risks and follows the game closely. Anyone throwing dirt on this slot is more likely to be scum.

[Tierce]

Tierce - Town leader. Willing to take risks and follows the game closely. Anyone throwing dirt on this slot is more likely to be scum.

Can you explain this read in light of what you've read and your notes?

[Titus]

Yes. During the early game, the dynamics of the group were being settled. However, after I came in, there seemed to be a general consensus with you being town. That combined with your NK and what I have seen suggests that scum likely shot you because they could not get you lynched. If you look at the major lynch trains, I wouldn't be surprised if you were a part of most of them. It seems to me, although I cannot prove this point, that some might be sheeping you because they view you as town without thinking things through. Also, you seem to be very vocal about what the group should do and what is best for the group. Again, that is someone who is taking a leadership role. Vocal town (but not leaders) tend to be more focused on individuals rather than the cohesiveness and reactions of the group.

[Tierce]

That still does not explain the Town to scum shift that happens on your notes.

[Titus]

Ok, I must have misunderstood your question. My notes were taken in a reactionary fashion as I was reading the posts. If something in particular stood out as scummy, I said so in my notes. However, I know now that the read at the time would likely have been wrong unless the scums deliberately NKed at the start of the game.

[Titus]

Ok, I skimmed through my notes. The only place I think I mention you near scum read was meant about GnR. GnR has no valid reasons for his town reads at the time. I was SCUMREADING GnR in that way.

[Tierce]

Who the heck is GnR, anyway?

Goat on a Raft, or Garruk Relentless?

[Titus]

GR = Garruk, GnR = Goat

[Eddard Stark]

Day 5, Vc 11

PrideandJoy (8) -

kanyeknowsbest, Tammy, Cephrir, Benmage, The Alchemist, elleheathen, AGar, Goat on a Raft

Garruk Relentless (4) -

Messiah Complex, SafetyDance, Titus, ooba

Titus (3) -

Goat on a Raft, Garuk Relentless, Nautilius

Cephrir (1) -

PrideandJoy

Not voting (3) -

Alfred Borden, Shadoweh, Tierce

With 18 alive it takes 10 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 25th of Novemberat 10:00 EDT
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-11-25 10:00:00)
  

[Tammy]

See invisible! I can't even make it on a reads list which has every other player on it.

[Tammy]

Also, the entire game state just doesn't feel like one big scum team anymore - far too many town reads and unless all rest Chaos scum are in {elle, TheAlch, PnJ, AGar, GR} (and even that seems unlikely given voting patterns) - I just can't see it. Let me take a look at VCs again.

I agree with this sentiment, but with the lack of kills I don't see it being multiball.

I suppose there could be some third party types though?

[Tierce]

Thanks, Titus. That makes a bit more sense.


And for what it is worth, if scum

did

shoot me N1 (we'll never know since, y'know, I can't check my BP ability's state), Garruk Relentless are really solidly Town due to something else that happened that Night.

[Tammy]

Okay I just went and looked at my role pm, Elle's getting her role confused makes sense with her experience level.

[PrideandJoy]

Day 5, Vc 11

PrideandJoy (8) -

kanyeknowsbest, Tammy, Cephrir, Benmage, The Alchemist, elleheathen, AGar, Goat on a Raft

Garruk Relentless (4) -

Messiah Complex, SafetyDance, Titus, ooba

Titus (3) -

Goat on a Raft, Garuk Relentless, Nautilius

Cephrir (1) -

PrideandJoy

Not voting (3) -

Alfred Borden, Shadoweh, Tierce

With 18 alive it takes 10 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 25th of Novemberat 10:00 EDT
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-11-25 10:00:00)
  

I like this VC.

It tells me that one of Alfred/MC are the one scum off the wagon waiting for Titus + Garruck to do the dirty work for them. I'm going to lean on Alfred being that scum.

Rest of scum are no doubt on the wagon.

We will be reminding you guys of this tomorrow. So don't think you'll get away with scratching your heads and going back to speculating about titus.

[Titus]

Tierce, is this something you're deliberately being cryptic about or is that something you think I'm missing? GR's my biggest scumread right now.

Tammy, please don't do that to me.

[Titus]

PnJ, I don't get what you are getting at. To me, it just sounds like you're avoiding any semblance of a major wagon and vote parking someone who is unlikely to be lynched to avoid actually putting together a decent case. If you think that I am town and presumably GR is town by your comments, then you should be putting a lot more effort into pushing Cephrir.

[Tierce]

Tierce, is this something you're deliberately being cryptic about or is that something you think I'm missing? GR's my biggest scumread right now.

It's deliberate. They are really unlikely to be scum.