NY 167: COMPLETELY NORMAL Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Cephrir]

You know who else wasn't on the orc and AFB wagons you quoted? caledfwitch.

DERP

[Cephrir]

I'm not gonna lie, I almost want to lynch bauss for the blatant narrative manipulation at this point. It's just reaching astronomically absurd levels.

[likeabauss]

Sangres only on 2. You're only on 3. Two of them are different vote counts for the same wagon, sorry if that wasn't clear.

Why would you vote to lynch other than your scummiest/scummier read? Mind boggling to me.

The wagon analysis was just demonstrating that all three of my scumreads have been on pretty much every other wagon, except for their scumpadres wagon. (Conveniently, you too as noted. Read below.)

I'm only slight scum on you and discounting my read because of our dynamic (I don't have conviction in my read on you at this point.) Its natural to lean scum on somebody who discredits you, and attacks your arguments, so I'm not putting much stock in my read on you as a result. I hope to develop a better read as the game goes on.

Caled wasn't on any of the other wagons either. She's pretty much parked her vote on her scum read. That's a dramatically different behavior than voting for everybody else but Orcinus and FratBros. Are you just being dense, or is your disdain for me clouding your judgment?

[Cephrir]

Even though I'm coming around to orc possibly being scum I have not been successfully convinced that lynching a possible cop D1 is intelligent It could be a gamethrow too easily.

It astonishes me that you can't see any reason your arguments might be unconvincing =/

[PeregrineV]

CALED'S SUPER AMAZING (BUT ALSO SILLY) READS LIST

(yay content!)

:

town or

town

• MVP - Your direct posts are a big town tell for me (thumbs up coming soon)
  sangres - Confidence is a big town read for me, as more confident players usually take up leader roles
  Toomai - Also quite confident, which is reassuring.
  
  AFB
  - I don't actually see how these guys are particularly scum-ish, but I want to see more level-headed posts from BRO-head, because arguing on the Internet doesn't help. A case on this guy would be great
  
  JS
  - I liked that one reads post apart from what I felt was interpreting Guyett incorrectly.

null

• Cephrir - save the sarcasm for later, you have time to think your posts through
  Hermy - still looking for that reads list you mentioned in post 843
  PV - post 1395 sounds townish but I have a feeling that you'll be giving someone a twist package during the night instead >__>
  Sakura Hana - why would you change your meta this game?? wouldn't acting town give you a better chance
  TIP - Surprised your post count has been so low for someone who everyone argues about.

scum or

scum

• Guyett - I've seen how he reacts to a wagon as town, and this isn't it. He's acting way too chill to be town.
  yessiree - how is it so easy to catch scum?? is JS shit posting the only reason you voted for him?? "your opinion doesn't matter"??????
  
  likeabauss
  - Your posts are good but your reliance on the support of other people is suspicious. Make a good case, and others will follow.
  
  orcinus
  - *votes* 3 posts later *shifts vote* ???? put some thought into what ur doing
  
  RC
  - obvious town my ass

hrrrrrrrrrk idek

• MC Maraca - you two are like a tipping seesaw to me, idek whats going on!!!

Reads list. Whether you agree with it or not, it's content and there's substance. Oh look, Guyett and Orc are both scum-reads.

In light of my wall of text, which I probably should have put under a spoiler:

VOTE: Guyett

He is acting way too laid-back to be town. I've played with him in one game where he was town and he was always skittish and panicky – I'm not seeing this here.

It's going to take a lot to move my vote from him, Guyett you are going down.

PEDIT: Have you played any town games with this new meta?

Oh look! A vote on Guyett! A scum-read!

The italics mean they are LEAN-faction. (im dead)

likeabauss is too reliant on the support of other players; like I said, if you make a convincing case people will follow. Therefore he is kind of scummy.

Guyett is my top scum read though; he is actually a lot more laid-back as scum from what I've noticed, probably because he knows he has people to back him up. As the game goes on he might get progressively more nervous as scum dies, but right now no. Confidence is usually a sign of townish players, but not him.

Also Cephrir it wasn't just a little sarcasm; there was basically sass in every post. I sick-burned some kid six times in one hour IRL and decided that, like your sarcasm, it was a bit much.

More content!

I don't really believe in orc's claim, but it seems like an easy wagon so I'm also hesitant to vote for him.

A wagon on a scum-read. Already voting a scum-read. The second scum-read is stronger than the first. What's the issue?

I don't really believe in orc's claim, but it seems like an easy wagon so I'm also hesitant to vote for him.

Let me fix that for you:

I want to cast doubt on this claim in case the lynch swings that way, but I'm worried I might get heat for actually attacking him. I'll just post here and test the waters to see how town swings.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: caled

If you've actually learned anything useful you will know that input from various sources is needed, so here's another viewpoint:

Orc sounds kind of scummy but as said before I am absolutely convinced that Guyett is scum and I'm not moving my vote anytime soon.

My meta will reveal that I only vote when absolutely convinced of someone's guilt, and rarely move said vote.

Did nobody check the logic in Cabd's post? Did nobody go to check whether or not Caled's voting pattern is consistent with her meta?

These were the posts I remember reading last, and they gave me a townread on the slot stronger than 1805+1814.

You got anything else?

[sangres]

Speaking of caled

@Sangres:

I want to know the exact reason why you guys think caled is scum.

It's a much weaker read for me, bordering on null. Especially given the way she's stuck to her current vote. It reminds me of her town game in Newbie 1429 and the other newbie game I meta'd for that one. But, there's a lack. She's not reiterating or building on her conviction that Guyett is scum.

I'd rather lynch JS today. It's not going to happen.

[PeregrineV]

She's not fence-sitting in favor of anything. She's massively cogdissing it up.

If it were newbtown being paranoid, I'd expect a full back-off to see how better players deal with it/to be safe. I'm a fairly experienced player, and I still don't like lynching un-CC'd PRs, even neg-utility ones.

Considering MVPs strong townread and defense of scum-caledwitch, which of the following is true, IYO:

1) Scum-Caled has totally fooled town-MVP (and me) into thinking they are town.
2) Scum-Caled is being protected by scum-MVP.
3) Town-Caled is being correctly read by town-MVP.
4) Town-Caled is being (buddied, whiteknighted) by scum-MVP.

[PeregrineV]

I actually think orc is more likely scum than caled at this point but I'm still not lynching him.

Some background on this conclusion please.

[PeregrineV]

you have balls to lynch and uncounterclaimed cop

good on you

I see your cop claim, and I get it.

Unvote.

I kind of want to understand this appeal to mafia theory that we shouldn't lynch you because you haven't been counterclaimed.

[Angry Frat BROs]

I don't really believe in orc's claim, but it seems like an easy wagon so I'm also hesitant to vote for him.

MVP, that's not a full back-off. That's a fencesit.

[Angry Frat BROs]

I'm not gonna lie, I almost want to lynch bauss for the blatant narrative manipulation at this point. It's just reaching astronomically absurd levels.

You/me/orc/JS.

We only need 5 more.

[Angry Frat BROs]

She's not fence-sitting in favor of anything. She's massively cogdissing it up.

If it were newbtown being paranoid, I'd expect a full back-off to see how better players deal with it/to be safe. I'm a fairly experienced player, and I still don't like lynching un-CC'd PRs, even neg-utility ones.

Considering MVPs strong townread and defense of scum-caledwitch, which of the following is true, IYO:

1) Scum-Caled has totally fooled town-MVP (and me) into thinking they are town.
2) Scum-Caled is being protected by scum-MVP.
3) Town-Caled is being correctly read by town-MVP.
4) Town-Caled is being (buddied, whiteknighted) by scum-MVP.

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[sangres]

I'm not gonna lie, I almost want to lynch bauss for the

blatant narrative manipulation

at this point. It's just reaching astronomically absurd levels.

He does this as town. When we last played, it wasn't the only thing about his play that worried me, but it did factor in to my incorrect scum-read.

Where I called him on narrative spinning

[goodmorning]

this game can only get better

Votecount 1.61

caledfwitch [L-2] - MC Maraca, Cephrir, sangres, orcinus_theoriginal, Angry Frat BROs, Sakura Hana, Toomai

orcinus_theoriginal [L-3] - likeabauss, Hermy, RadiantCowbells, MVP, yessiree, Guyett

likeabauss [L-8] - JacobSavage

Guyett [L-8] - caledfwitch

Not Voting [2] - TheIrishPope, PeregrineV

With 17 alive, it takes

9

to lynch. The day will end in (expired on 2013-11-20 09:39:00)

[PeregrineV]

Let's follow the witch.

Vote: Guyett

@Orc-

Your lack of strong obv-towning as you approach impending death to make up for crappy play does not really fall in line with the cop role and town wincon.

Why is that?

[Cephrir]

Let's follow the witch.

Vote: Guyett

@Orc-

Your lack of strong obv-towning as you approach impending death to make up for crappy play does not really fall in line with the cop role and town wincon.

Why is that?

It also doesn't fall in line with him being orc.

I'm not gonna lie, I almost want to lynch bauss for the

blatant narrative manipulation

at this point. It's just reaching astronomically absurd levels.

He does this as town. When we last played, it wasn't the only thing about his play that worried me, but it did factor in to my incorrect scum-read.

Where I called him on narrative spinning

K. That's really annoying, but K.

She's not fence-sitting in favor of anything. She's massively cogdissing it up.

If it were newbtown being paranoid, I'd expect a full back-off to see how better players deal with it/to be safe. I'm a fairly experienced player, and I still don't like lynching un-CC'd PRs, even neg-utility ones.

Considering MVPs strong townread and defense of scum-caledwitch, which of the following is true, IYO:

1) Scum-Caled has totally fooled town-MVP (and me) into thinking they are town.
2) Scum-Caled is being protected by scum-MVP.
3) Town-Caled is being correctly read by town-MVP.
4) Town-Caled is being (buddied, whiteknighted) by scum-MVP.

Surely you are aware this scenario applies to any time two players disagree on a read.

[Cephrir]

Let's follow the witch.

Vote: Guyett

@Orc-

Your lack of strong obv-towning as you approach impending death to make up for crappy play does not really fall in line with the cop role and town wincon.

Why is that?

If you are going to try a flashwagon you should really choose a better target.

[RadiantCowbells]

Scum so brazen this game.

[likeabauss]

On Orcinus... its because he's scum. Why can't we just pull together and lynch him? There's enough of a case on his play alone, by experienced familiar players.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

On Orcinus... its because he's scum. Why can't we just pull together and lynch him? There's enough of a case on his play alone, by experienced familiar players.

who

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Let's follow the witch.

Vote: Guyett

@Orc-

Your lack of strong obv-towning as you approach impending death to make up for crappy play does not really fall in line with the cop role and town wincon.

Why is that?

VOTE: Orcinus

VOTE: Orci

VOTE: orc

Unvote
Vote: Orc

I don't really feel motivated, and I

don't know why.

[sangres]

That's no excuse, Orc.

[sangres]

Aka me considering lynching you as a claimed cop on d1 is an absolutely terrible, no good, very bad thing.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

do you have actual accusations

that you can spell out and that i can reply to

[sangres]

You have no reads, for one.