NY 167: COMPLETELY NORMAL Mafia (GAME OVER)

[orcinus_theoriginal]

JS, caled, RC.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

also bauss and sakura

[sangres]

I think Guyett reading me off one game doesn't work that well. Just so you guys know, Lucid Dreamers is my only scum game so far and my scumbuddy basically carried me through the whole thing.

I don't think I have an established play style yet, but just because I haven't posted a lot doesn't necessarily mean a scum read. IRL man.

I think Guyett reading me off one game doesn't work that well. Just so you guys know, Lucid Dreamers is my only scum game so far and my scumbuddy basically carried me through the whole thing.

I don't think I have an established play style yet, but just because I haven't posted a lot doesn't necessarily mean a scum read. IRL man.

In light of my wall of text, which I probably should have put under a spoiler:

VOTE: Guyett

He is acting way too laid-back to be town. I've played with him in one game where he was town and he was always skittish and panicky – I'm not seeing this here.

It's going to take a lot to move my vote from him, Guyett you are going down.

PEDIT: Have you played any town games with this new meta?

I didn't like that caled went from talking about how Guyett couldn't read him from one game to reading Guyett from one game himself. The conviction is good, but the tunneling is oddly transparent in a way that almost seems mechanical. I think that my original suspicions on him was from the way that he treated a claimed cop in hoppingom a wagon but then I remember how he was mislynched as a one shot bulletproof while looking like vt the whole way down and I think that he might just not be cognizant of how claims affect the game.

[sangres]

This might be the clincher - why?

[sangres]

And where are your town reads?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Nobody has been willing to interact with me much so I am lost on my town reads. Maybe cephrir is the closest.

I find your hydra suspect because you are scumreading me and you dont normally reach out to me when you are doing that. I dont' know how much of our personal friendship plays into that though.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

JS, caled, RC.

JS lurking meta
caled same as cabd's reasoning
RC is policy

also bauss and sakura

you should know why

[sangres]

You have a policy scumread on RC? Jacob tends to lurk as either alignment, but not a bad scumread. Caled has an iso other than that single statement.

[sangres]

Peregrine has a poor looking ISO aside from promises of bulletproof vests.

[likeabauss]

Sangres, I feel like you're trying to talk yourself out of voting for Orcinus. All the indications you've alluded to suggest he's scum based on your experience? Nacho trusts my Rank meta and if my previous assumption is correct your gut read on Orcinus says scum... so what gives?

I just don't get this board sometimes. People will flash wagon a noob who didn't do anything scummy, but won't hang a well known veteran who is basically screaming "I'm scum."

[orcinus_theoriginal]

You have a policy scumread on RC? Jacob tends to lurk as either alignment, but not a bad scumread. Caled has an iso other than that single statement.

My RC stance is my stance on lurker in BSG

I disliked caled's reads list in 1404 and I dislike MVP for supporting it (probably because MVP was listed under town).

CALED'S SUPER AMAZING (BUT ALSO SILLY) READS LIST

(yay content!)

:

town or

town

• MVP - Your direct posts are a big town tell for me (thumbs up coming soon)
  the fuck does this mean
  
  sangres - Confidence is a big town read for me, as more confident players usually take up leader roles
  this is just wrong
  
  Toomai - Also quite confident, which is reassuring.
  more of wrong
  
  
  AFB
  - I don't actually see how these guys are particularly scum-ish, but I want to see more level-headed posts from BRO-head, because arguing on the Internet doesn't help. A case on this guy would be great
  ...so why are they town? also lol at arguing on the internet
  
  
  JS
  - I liked that one reads post apart from what I felt was interpreting Guyett incorrectly.
  the fuck?

null

• Cephrir - save the sarcasm for later, you have time to think your posts through
  Yeah this isn't a serious attempt to actually read people
  
  Hermy - still looking for that reads list you mentioned in post 843
  PV - post 1395 sounds townish but I have a feeling that you'll be giving someone a twist package during the night instead >__>
  ????
  
  Sakura Hana - why would you change your meta this game?? wouldn't acting town give you a better chance
  TIP - Surprised your post count has been so low for someone who everyone argues about.

scum or

scum

• Guyett - I've seen how he reacts to a wagon as town, and this isn't it. He's acting way too chill to be town.
  yessiree - how is it so easy to catch scum?? is JS shit posting the only reason you voted for him?? "your opinion doesn't matter"??????
  
  likeabauss
  - Your posts are good but your reliance on the support of other people is suspicious. Make a good case, and others will follow.
  There are reasons bauss is scum but this is not one of them
  
  
  orcinus
  - *votes* 3 posts later *shifts vote* ???? put some thought into what ur doing
  there are reasons i seem scum but this is not one of them
  
  
  RC
  - obvious town my ass

hrrrrrrrrrk idek

• MC Maraca - you two are like a tipping seesaw to me, idek whats going on!!!
  This level of thinking tho

zero analysis.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Peregrine has a poor looking ISO aside from promises of bulletproof vests.

...

shh

[Cephrir]

Sangres, I feel like you're trying to talk yourself out of voting for Orcinus. All the indications you've alluded to suggest he's scum based on your experience? Nacho trusts my Rank meta and if my previous assumption is correct your gut read on Orcinus says scum... so what gives?

I just don't get this board sometimes. People will flash wagon a noob who didn't do anything scummy, but won't hang a well known veteran who is basically screaming "I'm scum."

<------true statements

this statement---->

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Reads list. Whether you agree with it or not, it's content and there's substance. Oh look, Guyett and Orc are both scum-reads.

Yeah no.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Sangres, I feel like you're trying to talk yourself out of voting for Orcinus. All the indications you've alluded to suggest he's scum based on your experience? Nacho trusts my Rank meta and if my previous assumption is correct your gut read on Orcinus says scum... so what gives?

I just don't get this board sometimes. People will flash wagon a noob who didn't do anything scummy, but won't hang a well known veteran who is basically screaming "I'm scum."

<------true statements

this statement---->

hi

it seems like you have been sitting back and dishing out your read-switches on me without an actual effort to ascertain that read

[sangres]

Sangres, I feel like you're trying to talk yourself out of voting for Orcinus. All the indications you've alluded to suggest he's scum based on your experience? Nacho trusts my Rank meta and if my previous assumption is correct your gut read on Orcinus says scum... so what gives?

I just don't get this board sometimes. People will flash wagon a noob who didn't do anything scummy, but won't hang a well known veteran who is basically screaming "I'm scum."

As it stands, I'm going to vote orcinus before I leave. But I don't want him to go down quietly because "no one will interact with him".

[sangres]

You realize that I RVS voted Guyett because he was online at the time and apparently there were votes on him, and unvoted immediately after i saw the buildup to his L-2?

Just making sure

Why are you RVS voting on page 29?

Guess, because it couldn't possibly because I replaced in and wanted some real-time interaction.

I don't really know where you disengaged from this mode and stepped into "analyze things, play the game" mode.

[sangres]

Nobody has been willing to interact with me much so I am lost on my town reads. Maybe cephrir is the closest.

I find your hydra suspect because you are scumreading me and you dont normally reach out to me when you are doing that. I dont' know how much of our personal friendship plays into that though.

I didn't reach out when I was scumreading you in the Chosen micro. It was a mistake. :/

[Cephrir]

Sangres, I feel like you're trying to talk yourself out of voting for Orcinus. All the indications you've alluded to suggest he's scum based on your experience? Nacho trusts my Rank meta and if my previous assumption is correct your gut read on Orcinus says scum... so what gives?

I just don't get this board sometimes. People will flash wagon a noob who didn't do anything scummy, but won't hang a well known veteran who is basically screaming "I'm scum."

<------true statements

this statement---->

hi

it seems like you have been sitting back and dishing out your read-switches on me without an actual effort to ascertain that read

I think you missed the align right part of this post but the point remains, yes, I'm quite uncertain about you but don't feel the need to deal with it immediately because I don't plan on lynching you today and it's looking like you may get lynched whether I like it or not, so not really worth the effort yet

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Sangres, I feel like you're trying to talk yourself out of voting for Orcinus. All the indications you've alluded to suggest he's scum based on your experience? Nacho trusts my Rank meta and if my previous assumption is correct your gut read on Orcinus says scum... so what gives?

I just don't get this board sometimes. People will flash wagon a noob who didn't do anything scummy, but won't hang a well known veteran who is basically screaming "I'm scum."

As it stands, I'm going to vote orcinus before I leave. But I don't want him to go down quietly because "no one will interact with him".

Sigh.

In this game you essentially have a seperated village which is fairly different from anything else I've seen. It's almost like competing tribes in Survivor. It seems to me like bauss is getting more sheep than he should be, and that suggests a scum-connection underlying those players. but I really can't tell because i just don't understand some of their actions.

I haven't even bothering with Bauss' 'arguments' because they are so ridiculously silly. He has given NO rank meta. He spins narratives. Like, I can't fight against a lynch that is built on the basis of "oh yeah we drove a contentless wagon on you and your reaciton was scummy".

You are not looking for my reaction to the right thing. And I can't fucking do analysis + don't want to do analysis when I am driven up like this.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

You realize that I RVS voted Guyett because he was online at the time and apparently there were votes on him, and unvoted immediately after i saw the buildup to his L-2?

Just making sure

Why are you RVS voting on page 29?

Guess, because it couldn't possibly because I replaced in and wanted some real-time interaction.

I don't really know where you disengaged from this mode and stepped into "analyze things, play the game" mode.

How about my push on sakura

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I think you missed the align right part of this post but the point remains, yes, I'm quite uncertain about you but don't feel the need to deal with it immediately because I don't plan on lynching you today and it's looking like you may get lynched whether I like it or not, so not really worth the effort yet

Well whatever. I'm pissed as fuck that I'm close to being lynched day 1 (which has never happened) as a cop (which also has never happened)

whatever

Let's talk about MVP

[sangres]

Sangres, I feel like you're trying to talk yourself out of voting for Orcinus. All the indications you've alluded to suggest he's scum based on your experience? Nacho trusts my Rank meta and if my previous assumption is correct your gut read on Orcinus says scum... so what gives?

I just don't get this board sometimes. People will flash wagon a noob who didn't do anything scummy, but won't hang a well known veteran who is basically screaming "I'm scum."

As it stands, I'm going to vote orcinus before I leave. But I don't want him to go down quietly because "no one will interact with him".

Sigh.

In this game you essentially have a seperated village which is fairly different from anything else I've seen. It's almost like competing tribes in Survivor. It seems to me like bauss is getting more sheep than he should be, and that suggests a scum-connection underlying those players. but I really can't tell because i just don't understand some of their actions.

I haven't even bothering with Bauss' 'arguments' because they are so ridiculously silly. He has given NO rank meta. He spins narratives. Like, I can't fight against a lynch that is built on the basis of "oh yeah we drove a contentless wagon on you and your reaciton was scummy".

You are not looking for my reaction to the right thing. And I can't fucking do analysis + don't want to do analysis when I am driven up like this.

Currently your wagon consists of bauss + people that trust bauss in his read. I understand that the wagon is sketchy and baseless with one exception, but in a case like that I would still eect more than I'm seeing here.

Speaking of bauss, when did he turn scum? We talked about how narrative spinning was more of an alignment neutral thing.

[sangres]

MVP, why are you voting Orc?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Sangres, I feel like you're trying to talk yourself out of voting for Orcinus. All the indications you've alluded to suggest he's scum based on your experience? Nacho trusts my Rank meta and if my previous assumption is correct your gut read on Orcinus says scum... so what gives?

I just don't get this board sometimes. People will flash wagon a noob who didn't do anything scummy, but won't hang a well known veteran who is basically screaming "I'm scum."

As it stands, I'm going to vote orcinus before I leave. But I don't want him to go down quietly because "no one will interact with him".

Sigh.

In this game you essentially have a seperated village which is fairly different from anything else I've seen. It's almost like competing tribes in Survivor. It seems to me like bauss is getting more sheep than he should be, and that suggests a scum-connection underlying those players. but I really can't tell because i just don't understand some of their actions.

I haven't even bothering with Bauss' 'arguments' because they are so ridiculously silly. He has given NO rank meta. He spins narratives. Like, I can't fight against a lynch that is built on the basis of "oh yeah we drove a contentless wagon on you and your reaciton was scummy".

You are not looking for my reaction to the right thing. And I can't fucking do analysis + don't want to do analysis when I am driven up like this.

Currently your wagon consists of bauss + people that trust bauss in his read. I understand that the wagon is sketchy and baseless with one exception, but in a case like that I would still eect more than I'm seeing here.

Speaking of bauss, when did he turn scum? We talked about how narrative spinning was more of an alignment neutral thing.

*shrug*. You've seen me as jack-useless town. Why is this surprising?

NArrative spinning is scummy, but only when done deliberately. I originally thought that he just had lapses in logic (and sanity) and that's why I was giving him a pass, but it's been getting ridiculous. First the Rank meta. Then the reaching out to people felt more like building a cult of personality than support for a wagon (it's like a fucking politician). Then the misreps.

I mean there are so many reasons why bauss is scum. The only reason why it took me so long to reach that read was because I was giving him a pass based on past meta failure.

I just hope that he'll stop being so cock-ass sure of himself after he lynches a fucking cop. But I doubt it.


I really dislike people who just tunnel blindly.