Micro 252: There Is No Doctor - END

Lastsurvivor · Post Post #1275 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:07 pm

In post 1254, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:TPR, LS. What do you think about this?

About T-B begging to be lynched? I could see it coming from either alignment honestly. Town could do it because they genuinely believe town is wasting time beating around the bush on their lynch. OTOH, it's obviously a very effective WIFOM tactic.

I've seen townies basically say "lynch me bro," but I can't recall someone going as hardcore about it as T-B.

In post 1256, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Unless BBmolla is being a horrible bastard and the IC is scum, (LS yes that has crossed my mind, although I think its highly unlikely and ....

I'm not scum silly. TPR said something about scum killing F16 because it's unlikely we'd lynch him after TiP faked that result. I think that's the most likely scenario, honestly.

In post 1260, T-Bone wrote:A) he was barely there in Day 2 B) his reads are probably incorrect which is what I was trying to get at before, but I was dismissed as being scum sooo...

A's probably legit. But B is part of the badlogic that makes me feel bad about you T-B. I feel like you're only pushing this "LS' reads are wrong!" point because I'm turning my focus to you.

sangres · Post Post #1276 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:08 pm

In post 1272, The Purple Rose wrote:I very much am. Please tell me why I give you fits. Nobody else has mentioned that. I think this game I've made people want to punch something, but nobody mentioned fits. This I've got to hear.

Reading over the last couple pages it looks like you're cozying up to ETL, whichever lynch she's happy with. Your vote swing was telegraphed well, but it was this beautiful dance of tiny steps around ETL's thought progression. That, push T-Bone's last few posts have really changed what this game looks like to me.

The Purple Rose · Post Post #1277 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:09 pm

don't worry etl, we actually can't possibly lynch anyone without you if I'm not fooling around. Which I just stopped doing.

There's also very little wifom to speak of in this thread. It'll make sense tomorrow.

ISO · Post Post #1278 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:10 pm

Are we talking about paranoia now? I'm paranoid about TPR being scum despite my reading to the contrary. Not because he has done anything scummy, but because I'm worried I talked myself out of ever believing TPR is scum.

Then lynch me LS. To me that is the rational reason that you weren't killed last night. A few other players might think differently but only scum truly know the reason. You're confirmed town who we're not lynching. Scum have to have a good reason to reduce the lynchpool by killing F-16 instead.

EspeciallyTheLies · Post Post #1279 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:13 pm

LS is not allowed to vote says me.

Lastsurvivor · Post Post #1280 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:13 pm

@TPR: I'm sober and I see some WIFOM in this thread...

Unless by tomorrow you mean the day phase. In which case, well, duh.

PEDIT: Nah T-B, I need to review for my math exam tomorrow.

Also I need to see where sangres vs TPR takes us (if anywhere). Because unlike you and ETL, I don't consider her conftown in the slightest.

double PEDIT: And drunk ETL says I can't vote. So I can't.

ISO · Post Post #1281 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:17 pm

DA FUCK did I just do?

sangres · Post Post #1282 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:17 pm

In post 1278, T-Bone wrote:Are we talking about paranoia now? I'm paranoid about TPR being scum despite my reading to the contrary. Not because he has done anything scummy,
but because I'm worried I talked myself out of ever believing TPR is scum.

Then lynch me LS. To me that is the rational reason that you weren't killed last night. A few other players might think differently but only scum truly know the reason. You're confirmed town who we're not lynching. Scum have to have a good reason to reduce the lynchpool by killing F-16 instead.

Pretty much the bolded. We had TPB as null-maybe until about midway through day 1. The read swung strong town and we stopped thinking about her as possible scum at all.

The Purple Rose · Post Post #1283 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:24 pm

In post 1276, sangres wrote:
In post 1272, The Purple Rose wrote:I very much am. Please tell me why I give you fits. Nobody else has mentioned that. I think this game I've made people want to punch something, but nobody mentioned fits. This I've got to hear.
Reading over the last couple pages it looks like you're cozying up to ETL, whichever lynch she's happy with. Your vote swing was telegraphed well, but it was this beautiful dance of tiny steps around ETL's thought progression. That, push T-Bone's last few posts have really changed what this game looks like to me.

ooh, you actually did it. See, the problem with this endgame is that either of you or t-bone is scum, you need a second mislynch. After yesterday, town gelled too well. Just calling you out on your unvote and saying that a revote would be some scummy show was just what was needed to let you make your move against someone else then

I have to say, I'm pretty pleased with that. I'd love to hear postgame who of you I was talking to right now.

But I don't think this was a good play for you. I honestly don't see how a believable case could be made on me here seen the last couple of days, esspecially day two, and not to mention the F-16 kill. If I'm the scum here, you bet I was comfortable after the bus yesterday. I have no reason to make any kind of weird jumps, could just have killed LS and have the easiest endgame ever, with F-16 no longer too happy to lynch me but still a valid mislynch target, t-bone my game long friend and etl the person who day two got on the same line a lot, but who also really wants to lynch t-bone.

So I think you've shown your hand here. You can't believe how much I want to be right about you now, I'd be so pleased with these last couple of posts.

sangres · Post Post #1284 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:29 pm

In post 1283, The Purple Rose wrote:
In post 1276, sangres wrote:
In post 1272, The Purple Rose wrote:I very much am. Please tell me why I give you fits. Nobody else has mentioned that. I think this game I've made people want to punch something, but nobody mentioned fits. This I've got to hear.
Reading over the last couple pages it looks like you're cozying up to ETL, whichever lynch she's happy with. Your vote swing was telegraphed well, but it was this beautiful dance of tiny steps around ETL's thought progression. That, push T-Bone's last few posts have really changed what this game looks like to me.
ooh, you actually did it. See, the problem with this endgame is that either of you or t-bone is scum, you need a second mislynch. After yesterday, town gelled too well. Just calling you out on your unvote and saying that a revote would be some scummy show was just what was needed to let you make your move against someone else then

I have to say, I'm pretty pleased with that. I'd love to hear postgame who of you I was talking to right now.

But I don't think this was a good play for you. I honestly don't see how a believable case could be made on me here seen the last couple of days, esspecially day two, and not to mention the F-16 kill. If I'm the scum here, you bet I was comfortable after the bus yesterday. I have no reason to make any kind of weird jumps, could just have killed LS and have the easiest endgame ever, with F-16 no longer too happy to lynch me but still a valid mislynch target, t-bone my game long friend and etl the person who day two got on the same line a lot, but who also really wants to lynch t-bone.

So I think you've shown your hand here. You can't believe how much I want to be right about you now, I'd be so pleased with these last couple of posts.

If T-Bone is town, then it comes down to you and ETL, and my ETL read is not going anywhere.

It's a big if. But I think my town read of you has a lot more if to it than I've assumed in a good while.

sangres · Post Post #1285 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:44 pm

In post 1281, T-Bone wrote:DA FUCK did I just do?

You got my attention. If you're town then fuck off with the selfl sacrifice shit and scumhunt.

ISO · Post Post #1286 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:50 pm

I'm ready to go, I'm just also in class playing mafia when I should be in class.

sangres · Post Post #1287 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:52 pm

I'll be away soon for an hour or so anyway. The day just started. There's plenty of time to work through this.

ISO · Post Post #1288 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:10 pm

I have a couple of thoughts from this day that's been kicking around my head.

--ETL could have hammered me and ended all this. That's really making me reconsider my position on him. More discussion is bad for ETLscum. A better play for ETLscum is to hammer me and then dismiss me as a terrible player Day 4. On the other hand I can't shake the scumtaste from my mouth and he could just as easily decided to not hammer so we think just that, and use the clusterfuck as an excuse to secure a lynch tomorrow.
--LS being alive still bothers me. Yes my opinion on the nightkill choice is unpopular, but only the scum know the true motive, so all I can do is speculate.
-- TPR is someone I've read as town most of the game. The back to back vote on me in #1248 to Sangres in #1258 strikes me as weird. Recanting in #1258 he says "well the Bone lynch felt like it was going to happen anyway..." while I had the same thought, ETL resisted, and TPRscum senses and opportunity to keep ETL and I in LyLo. We both read him as town, so I suppose it wouldn't be a big deal to him to go one more day.
-- Sangres...a feeling I have had in the back of my head for awhile, which is why I investigated him night 1, a fact I evidently neglected to share. He and ETL did bring me to L-1, and he pretty much entered the day with 'hey lets lynch Bone no questions asked."

So there we go I guess.

The Purple Rose · Post Post #1289 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:40 am

It was a bit flimsy, I guess. I did indeed feel at that moment that you were becoming an inevitable lynch and I didn't feel that drawing the day out if that was the conclusion helped anyone. I found out the day after that I had been mistaken and that it was confusing people so I put my vote where my mouth is. Just to make this clear, I really believe and want sangres to be scum, and during the day and the rereads that read has only gotten stronger. I'm aware I'm rather tunneling, but I feel wih good reason.

I also think there are better reasons then just todays play to call ETL town.

As for the fact that LS is still alive, that's scum being in a losing position, making a weird kill to see if something changes in the town. It's designed to be discussed. The question to ask isn't "why was LS left alive", but "what mind would scum have to be in to not make the obvious nightkill".

EspeciallyTheLies · Post Post #1290 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2013 1:30 pm

*sigh* Ok. I'm paranoid as fuck now. TPR's vote swinging is weird to me. TB's whole ISO is weird to me. Sangres.. I believe Sangres is town, but the hasty vote was weird, considering I wasn't under the impression that TB was a strong scum read of theirs.

ISO · Post Post #1291 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2013 1:58 pm

Crazy idea because I'm crazy, we NL for two days and force scum to narrow the pool to 3p himself?

EspeciallyTheLies · Post Post #1292 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2013 2:23 pm

TPR?
Sangres?

Thoughts?

Lastsurvivor · Post Post #1293 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2013 2:23 pm

In post 1289, The Purple Rose wrote:As for the fact that LS is still alive, that's scum being in a losing position, making a weird kill to see if something changes in the town. It's designed to be discussed. The question to ask isn't "why was LS left alive", but "what mind would scum have to be in to not make the obvious nightkill".

Honestly, I'm not sure I see the worth in speccing on my NK.

In post 1291, T-Bone wrote:Crazy idea because I'm crazy, we NL for two days and force scum to narrow the pool to 3p himself?

I think in general it's a bad idea to let the scum choose who makes it to final LYLO...

EspeciallyTheLies · Post Post #1294 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2013 2:26 pm

LS, please don't answer for the people I am trying to probe. <3

sangres · Post Post #1295 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2013 9:58 pm

In post 1256, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:If TPR is the last we've already lost because I'm never lynching her.

In post 1258, The Purple Rose wrote:Eh, I was voting him. I think that said enough. But idk. Do you think the above comes from scum?

I was kind of looking to relieve you from that nagging gut feeling, though obviously I could be wrong about t-bone and we'd actually win.

the serious vote I could make would be
vote sangres
, because I think it's them.

I just don't know how valuable it is to talk about it here. LS is already more or less locked in on T-bone, you want him for a couple of days already... it's a lynch that felt like was going to happen anyway.

But take your time. I guess I might have been rushing the day here a bit.

This strikes me as unlikely coming from scum, unless TPR is extraordinarily paranoid as scum.

In post 1265, The Purple Rose wrote:having general tells on sangres, I think it should be them.

What are your general tells?

In post 1290, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:*sigh* Ok. I'm paranoid as fuck now. TPR's vote swinging is weird to me. TB's whole ISO is weird to me. Sangres.. I believe Sangres is town, but the hasty vote was weird, considering I wasn't under the impression that TB was a strong scum read of theirs.

He was a weak scumread that solidified overnight.

BBmolla · Post Post #1296 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:17 pm

Votecount 3.03

EspeciallyTheLies - 1 - T-Bone
sangres - 1 - The Purple Rose

Not Voting: EspeciallyTheLies, Lastsurvivor, sangres

Deadline: (expired on 2013-12-03 19:17:00)

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Fixed deadline, it was one week too long.

Lastsurvivor · Post Post #1297 (ISO) » Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:28 am

In post 1294, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:LS, please don't answer for the people I am trying to probe. <3

I didn't realize I answered anything for anyone...

ISO · Post Post #1298 (ISO) » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:24 am

In post 1293, Lastsurvivor wrote:In post 1289, The Purple Rose wrote:
As for the fact that LS is still alive, that's scum being in a losing position, making a weird kill to see if something changes in the town. It's designed to be discussed. The question to ask isn't "why was LS left alive", but "what mind would scum have to be in to not make the obvious nightkill".

Honestly, I'm not sure I see the worth in speccing on my NK.

NK analysis is severely underrated in my opinion. It's something we should at the very least consider. I was never trying to imply that it's necessarily the smoking gun, but that it is another piece to the scum puzzle. To completely disregard it would be foolish. TPR and I have both given thoughts about the kill, what are your thoughts about it? Did you expect to be killed last night?

EspeciallyTheLies · Post Post #1299 (ISO) » Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:30 pm

This is ridiculous. You're the one you tried to push pitoli and bulb lynch D1. You hammered despite a CC being in the p-edit. Your slot defend TIP. You hedged on his lynch yesterday. You're pushing for NK analysis that points anywhere but you when the NK was fucking mindboggling. Leads me to believe that was exactly your plan.

I'm tired of waiting for this game to move along. The more we sit and think the more WIFOM we get.

VOTE: TB