Marketplace Mafia III - Game Over

[zMuffinMan]

well that kinda explains why you want ud lynched over others

if not for that, what's your read on ud nati?

[Harakiri]

He's tier 2 scum. Rather lynch Prohawk or Garuda THEN BBMolla and Uwop.

[zMuffinMan]

garuda coz bop?

and why ud?

[Magua]

Vote Count 5.4

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

uʍop ǝpısdn (5): pieguyn, Harakiri, 1baldeagle1, ProHawk, Espeonage
Nero Cain (3): Lord Mhork, Garuda, zMuffinMan

Not Voting (6): VoidedMafia, Nero Cain, Lost Butterfly, BBmolla, Ghostly Penguin, uʍop ǝpısdn

Deadline for Day 5 is Thursday, December 5th, at 4:00pm EST (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2013-12-05 16:00:00)

[Harakiri]

I explained Garuda at the beginning of today. Uwop because he's been on the periphery and I keep floppy flopping in him.

[pieguyn]

where'd you get the idea that I have a cop guilty on him? 0.0

now that you mention it, I think I should out this now

scum locked me out of NK last night. also, scum roleblocked me - I watched PeregrineV and got action failed.

I first though he commuted and they used hitman on him, but zdenek/KA had hitman so that's impossible.

that's close enough to a cop guilty right

judging from Peregrine, I guess this means I'm up next for death

[1baldeagle1]

just the vote?

did you read the exchanges he had with pieguy after that?

Seemed desperate to lynched a pretty townish person.

where'd you get the idea that I have a cop guilty on him? 0.0

now that you mention it, I think I should out this now

scum locked me out of NK last night. also, scum roleblocked me - I watched PeregrineV and got action failed.

I first though he commuted and they used hitman on him, but zdenek/KA had hitman so that's impossible.

that's close enough to a cop guilty right

judging from Peregrine, I guess this means I'm up next for death

And who exactly is the guilty on?

[pieguyn]

fuck no read Harakiri's post
Harakiri thought I had a cop guilty on uwop, I don't

[zMuffinMan]

how is that as good as a cop guilty?

[pieguyn]

that wasn't entirely serious

however, I could see scum locking me out of NK, but why would they roleblock me? and why do they choose to attack me now, as opposed to LB? the timing of scum's attack on me makes me lean towards uwop. if uwop was town, they would see legitimate town paranoia on me and probably go for LB, but since they didn't, it makes me think uwop's attack on me came from a scum agenda.

[zMuffinMan]

I explained Garuda at the beginning of today

yeah your explanation was basically BoP wasn't it? or did i miss something here?

Uwop because he's been on the periphery

wat

[zMuffinMan]

i think you're making too many jumps based on night actions

[zMuffinMan]

considering the likelihood of scum having won a lot of red auctions, why would they roleblock you at all?

it seems more WIFOM than anything

[pieguyn]

considering the likelihood of scum having won a lot of red auctions, why would they roleblock you at all?

it seems more WIFOM than anything

vote: zmuffin

[zMuffinMan]

[zMuffinMan]

pieguy, i'm going to be blunt with you here.

i'm not scum and you're being silly. if i were scum, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

i don't think ud is scum. i think you're being stupid. come up with something to convince me i'm wrong that isn't "i was roleblocked, ud is totally scum!"

[pieguyn]

uwop being scum doesn't directly follow from me being roleblocked. rather, me being roleblocked would make sense if he was scum. I have many other reasons for suspecting uwop, namely his terrible push on me.

for me, it makes sense that he, as scum:
1. saw town paranoia that there was scum in the BIG 6
2. tried to take advantage of this by throwing paranoia on me
3. when he failed, they decided that I indeed have to be nk'ed along with all the other people in the townblock
and then
4. roleblocked me stop stop any investigations or actions on him

you are tentatively scum for reasons I rather not out at this point, although the post I quoted did have something to do with it

later tonight I'll ISO you and check something which may either clear you or solidify my read on you

vote: uwop

[zMuffinMan]

i'm reading his ISO now. the read progression on you looks natural. it started some time near the start of D3 (prior to whatever "paranoia" you're referring to?). i don't think it was coming from the angle you're saying it came from.

[pieguyn]

the paranoia of there being scum in the townblock was present ever since morph started the plan

he hasn't been trying to ask me questions or interact with me. this make me think he's just trying to get people to be paranoid of me, rather than scumhunting. and his push on me started after other people were pointing out I could be scum, although that's not necessarily relevant as it is and I need to go back and double check smth

can you explain why we wouldn't be having this conversation if we're scum?

[pieguyn]

*you're

[pieguyn]

k scratch the point that his push on me started after people started pointing out I might be scum. looking at it again I think that wasn't even correct, let alone relevant here

other points still hold tho

[zMuffinMan]

eh, i'll let ud defend himself on those points, but i still think you're wrong

what's your read on nero?

can you explain why we wouldn't be having this conversation if we're scum?

bluntly, these sorts of conversations, about night actions and wifom etc, are conversations i tend to avoid as scum. like always. i don't talk about these sorts of things as scum because of the risk of implicating myself. you can call this self-meta or whatever, but this is something that you can easily verify by just reading any/all scum games i've ever played. even when i specifically perform actions for the sole purpose of creating wifom or because i want someone else to think it's wifom, i never talk about it personally. so if anything, that sort of thing is close to a town tell for me, really.

[pieguyn]

wait hold up

if we mislynch today, we need to treat tomorrow like LYLO, as opposed to MYLO. e.g. don't vote recklessly. this is because of Voided's EV - if he's scum then scum can pile one more vote than usual onto a wagon to secure a lynch.

and we definitely shouldn't NL at any point, for that same reason. if voided is scum they can just get an extra vote and get a lynch immediately

[pieguyn]

my read on nero is around null-scum. mhork is town and their interactions way back when gave me weird vibes. I'd be ok with lynching him, but I prefer uwop for now

I'll let Nati make a judgement on that cause he seems to be good at determining when you're town. I'm paranoid of you and I especially don't wanna let you off the hook considering I know I would have had you in touhou if the game continued and I want revenge @_@ even if it was mostly by PoE there. after doing some very preliminary ISO'ing I did notice some things, but I need to look into it more later

[zMuffinMan]

i would be surprised if nati is ever confident in his ability to read me