Mini 1516: Mafia in Space (Game Over)

[Garmr]

@FFerylt
TvK as my strongest scum read. Through the interactions between him Silver don't show him being scum they were pretty much half the reasons. I would of preferred Tvk lynch then and there as opposed to the silver.

Eek is another possibility looking at how fast his wagon dismantled yesterday and going over a second look,

Regfan could also be worth a look in if my suspicions are right about TvK but shelving him for now because I can also see him being town.

I was also playing with the idea of ice being scum but meh didn't feel right so I pushed that aside and kept him as a town read.

[ICEninja]

Wow. So Herself was shot and no one else? That bugs me a little, but also kind of makes sense.

There are quite a few possibilities here.

The obvious: Fitz is lying scum and he shot Herself. There are no other kill roles. However, Herself was definitely a suboptimal scum target unless they had some idea she was a PR. I was fully expecting either Street (ffery) or Regfan to die tonight, with the possibility of Wake. I figured I would survive the night as several players started shifting their reads on me towards scummy.

Very likely: We have a town doctor/role blocker/jail keeper. I feel like 2 masons, vig, and JK all together is probably too strong but RB and doctor aren't crazy strong roles, and those 4 against a fairly strong scum team (including day talk, never forget that god damn day talk) could potentially match up. I agree that the likelihood of an information role in cop/tracker/watcher is fairly low. I'll hold any setup speculation, but

this is the situation I believe is the most likely for reasons I really don't want to say

. The fact that both Ffery and Reg were super town power players makes scum shooting one of them super obvious, so it wouldn't really be that hard for one of those roles to guess which one.

Also possible: Scum could have potentially held their bullet and let fitz shoot, if they simply knew his reads were wrong and he was going to shoot town for them ANYWAY, giving scum a nice little benefit of being able to speed lynch fitz today. I don't believe this scenario is partiuclarly likely, however, as no one has jumped up and said they want fitz dead right away.

Then there's the GOD THIS BETTER NOT BE THE FUCKING CASE: If fitz is a VT and claimed vig to survive then I will never play with him again. If this is the case, fitz, you better just tell us

right now

.

For the record I more or less believe the claim (once again, it's too confirmable, scum knows for a fact fitz is dead if they fake claim a vig), but I'm a little skeptical now. I'm going to put fitz as suspicious, but it is risky as hell for scum to leave him alive so if he's scum we'll probably know soon enough. With the high likelihood of him dying night 2, especially if he agrees to shoot within a pool that town suggests, we're safe keeping him alive (ESPECIALLY if we nail scum today).

I'm going to talk about the rest of day 1 (including my reads) in another post because it will probably come out to be fairly long.

[ICEninja]

I'm going to spit out of a lot of information here to help my organize my thoughts. Analysis will follow.

Alright so day 1 was kind of a mess. Things seemed to happen in stages. The early part of day 1 is what I think of as the "inactives phase". This spanned for quite a few pages where just under half the player list was either lurking or not in the game at all.

My Milked Eek's first content post was on page 22.
T S O's first content post arguably didn't happen, and LolWagons didn't replace until page 17.
Quadraxis/Wake's first content post was page 20.
Orestes posted minimal content, but the last of it was page 4, and TSB didn't get in here until page 19.
Kid A's first post worth reading was on page 19.
TvK, while occasionally throwing in content here and there, was largely a non-factor of much of this early game as well.

The result of this was a massive stall in the game and SEVERE lack of solid votes until a point where most day 1 phases had already ended with a lynch.

There was, however, a large amount of town hunting done during this point in time, so it wasn't all wasted. I, as well as several others, established strong town reads that could lead this town to a solid victor.

The end of the day, however, was

a dirty disgusting mess

, that could have been solidly avoided had I not been the only person being mindful of the deadline. I certainly hope now everyone has a better understanding of my significant distaste for waiting until deadline to make a move. Seriously guys, we got 2 claims and a self hammer from that mess.

I stand by the fact that there was scum hiding by in the shadows with useless votes letting town tear themselves apart as we got closer and closer to deadline. Taking a look at vote counts starting around number 18 or so will give us lots of information regarding that. We see here TvK the first on TSB's eventual wagon. Street, Lol, and Reg all had early positions on fitz's wagon, with Herself as an honorable mention having thrown early suspicion towards fitz. Herself and SG were the early adopters of the MME wagon, with me probably being the strongest proponent of that lynch later on (save maybe for Herself), and then MME being the solo early push on the Garmr wagon. Wake held his vote for an excessively long time (I'll talk about this later), but the REAL stand out vote here

that holds for a really really long time

is Kid A's vote on Street.

Now this vote on street is super significant. Firstly, it was

useless

. He may as well have been not voting. Street had a basically zero chance of being the lynch, and on top of that Kid A had absolutely TRASH reasons for his vote being there. Seriously, look in his ISO. He places his vote here and gives literally no reason for it. He says he'll give a reason later "assuming he still likes it". This gives himself a HUGE out should there be backlash for him placing a vote there. Finally here, Kid A gives his reason for that vote on Street. I would like to mention here that the vote came on page 19 where the (shitty) reason for voting occurred on page 3.

Combine this with the fact that Kid A doesn't move his vote until here

where Kid A scum slips

. He states that scum is "seemingly pretty well powered", when as town he could not possibly have this information, as none of us knew about ANYTHING besides the day talk, which could be scum's only power for all we know. This suspicion of Herself came out of nowhere, and looked like he was hoping to get some traction here as there had been some talk of Herself being suspicious.

I'm not forgetting his extremely scummy beetlejuice act.

His final nail in the coffin is his eventual joining of the TSB wagon that was probably the worst vote there. The justification for the vote is the scummiest part. Instead of flat out saying "I'm voting a null read because town is going to mislynch otherwise", Kid A tries to give (more shitty) reasons why his vote is where it is.

I'm not even a little bit of a fan of his instant dropping vote on fitz, either. Actually this reminds me, I was slightly wrong in my previous post about no one wanting to speed lynch fitz, Kid A being scum would suggest that scum might have even no-killed to frame him then speed lynch him.

Vote Kid A

. I'll explain the rest of my reads in my next post.

[ICEninja]

The other interesting thing to look at during day 1 is where the wagons came from and went.

MME's wagon was largely pushed by Herself and SG for a long time, with both myself and Garmr being a part of it at some point. This wagon dissolved as soon as Herself jumped to fitz, and Garmr sheeped. Knowing my preferred wagon was no longer a realistic option, I reluctantly followed. Ffery, Slaxx, and Reg all look fairly town to me for solidly pushing fitz for a long time and being confident in their read on him. The weird thing is vote count 24, where I start having a harder time figuring out what happened.

I actually really liked Garmr's vote on TvK here. It didn't gain much traction, unfortunately, and I would have liked to see where that wagon went.

Towards the end of day 1, Garmr went up my town list significantly. MME I'm still really confused about, and is probably still in my "willing to lynch" pile, but is definitely not my preferred.

TvK would probably be my second best bet for today's lynch, largely for how the TSB wagon formed. TvK shot over to Garmr when shit hit the fan (which gives rise to the theory of a possible TvK/MME pairing). I don't at all like how TvK was the only vote on Bard for so long considering this. Especially considering his reads list here, he clearly wanted TSB to be the day 1 lynch. This obviously wasn't true, as TvK didn't go back to the TSB lynch later. He wanted to stay off the mislynch and away from his scum buddy Kid A.

Reg, Ffery, and SG all stand in my "will not lynch" pile for reasons that remain from yesterday. Garmr is pretty close to joining this pile himself.

Wake is the only other slot besides MME that I'm having trouble reading. Looking purely at situations, scum reads, and where his votes lie (or more accurately don't lie) indicates a decent chance that Wake is scum. However, most of his content reads as fairly town to me. I don't like the wording in a lot of his suspicions, things along the lines of "You seem like a great guy but I'm starting to scum read you", etc, trying to keep people off his back. Also a lot of his questions were either recently answered by posts the questioned player had just posted or the answers should have been obvious (a good example would be his questions to MME in this post, though the same post contains great questions directed to TvK and fitz).

With solid scum reads in Kid A and TvK, however, I think I'd like to hold off on any Wake suspicion for now, especially since a majority of his content does indeed seem to be town motivated. I'll put him below Garmr but above MME.

For ease of viewing, I'll put together a little list. They are more or less in order within each individual group, though the first one is difficult to order. Fitz is obviously dependent on night actions, and is placed right in the middle because of this.

Probably not scum:
Ffery, Reg, SG, Garmr.

Not sure:
Fitz, Wake, MME

Probably scum:
TvK

Definitely scum:
Kid A

[Wake1]

TSB, please don't ever self-vote again. It's really bad play. Not only were we robbed of what could have been crucial hours of time, but someone else could have had the chance to hammer you. Furthermore, there was the very slight possibility that you may not have been lynched at all; although, I did plan to hammer someone once they reached L-1 in order to prevent a no-lynch. Your last post betrayed your seemingly cool head, and I would hope that in the future you'd fight the good fight tooth and nail instead of willingly putting the noose around your neck. I get that it's frustrating, I really do, but self-voting isn't justified. If you continue doing this, no one will want to play with you.

Now, on to business.

We're in a 13-player game. How likely is it that we're dealing with a 3-member Scumgroup with Daytalk? I think it's unlikely, and that instead we're up against a 2-man team.

Or, we're dealing with 3 Scum + Daytalk... + a few more Town PRs?

Fitz, yesterday you said you were an Odd-Night Vigilante. You claimed Herself's death, and only one person died last Night. How so? Do you think you could have been protected last Night, or that someone blocked Mafia? That would have had to have been the case, otherwise your claim is a downright lie. Why exactly, in your own words, did you decide to shoot Herself? ...and no, I'm afraid it wasn't pretty obvious that Herself was in your target pool. If Bard hadn't robbed us of time we may have gotten around to discussing your target. Undoubtedly there were reservations about your claim which may in part explain people's reluctance to discuss it, and as for the Masons it's extremely unlikely they'd have the inclination to poke their heads out of the earth and reveal themselves to the world of their own volition.

What I can't seem to understand is why you didn't take your claim and ergo role more seriously, and didn't take the initiative to broach the subject of your target yourself while you had so much time to do so.

As Scum you likely felt you didn't have to, or need to. If I were the Vig, and found myself outed, I'd waste no effort in discussing the matters of the pool. You somehow lacked the initiative and the fire in your belly because it is you, Fitz, who is suspicious.

Because I may be wrong, if a Town PR did prevent Mafia from killing Fitz or anyone else (or protected him), I would suggest waiting with your claim. Please don't risk crumbing it, either, as Scum have Daytalk and can more easily coordinate their thoughts and actions.

Also, I can understand Kid A's (882), because on one hand he mentions that Fitz didn't get a chance to say who he considered shooting, yet one the other he earlier mentions that he'd rather leave Scum guessing, while giving no confirmation that he'd for sure use a 2-3 player target pool.

Kid A, while I understand you I don't think that discrepancy reaches the level of being an outright lie. Fitz, please educate us all on how anyone who thought you weren't shooting anyone other than Herself and Garmr wasn't reading the game.

You said you might have a 2-3 player target pool, yet insinuate that people who didn't for sure know it was either Herself or Garmr were ignorant. You never made your targets obvious, and you squandered the time you had to discuss your targets.

Although I don't think you've explicitly lied to me, my trust in you is shaken, Fitz. At the moment I have you in my Scum pile.

While I do like your smooth demeanor, Fferyllt, I can't help but be a tad troubled by how calm and assertive your posts appear. I don't believe in policy lynches, I don't buy Fitz's claim, he needs to discuss a target pool sooner rather than later, and you're as calm and unassuming as I am when Scum. Strangely, post (888) feels like I'm looking into the mirror when Scum... I will have to pay you more mind as well.

Garmr, please don't even attempt discussing who Herself's Mason partner is. Only Scum has a vested interest in discovering who the other Mason is, so if you're actually Town you should really cease and desist lest you find yourself swinging from a rope. And now I'm a little angry with you after reading through your (889), because on one hand you imply(?) you're going to keep your mouth shut about SG, and yet you keep opening it in this post. Please, stop it. Knock it off. Town has no reason to be hunting Masons, Doc, Cops, or any other Town PR. And if they DO find them, keep it under wraps for as long as possible. You've been bumped down into my leaning-Scum pile, and you're likely to stay there unless you can somehow redeem yourself in the future. I know it sounds harsh, but you seem to be hunting Town PRs for Scum, and you don't do that as Town.

Squirrel Girl has been gone for some time. She may be replaced.

I don't buy her being obvTown based on the way she behaved earlier.

As for Regfan, I'm currently trying to decide where to put him. He talks big and contributes a lot as well. Unlike Regfan Herself wasn't my biggest Townread, and I was surprised she flipped Town.

Reg, please share with us which players should have been vigged according to you, and why.

And you know better than to call people retards or other personal insults. As for setup speculation I'm not really sure when it comes to roles. Although, there may be modified ones outside of your typical Doc or mason, right?

Also Reg, you know you can bounce your thoughts and reads off of me, so I'd appreciate you doing so with me as well.

You may be shot tonight, but you shouldn't be too sure that it's either you or Fferyllt. And pleading with the Mafia, like wanting them to shoot someone else, is a typical part of deceitful Scumplay.

More to the point, I wonder how and why you've "nearly 100% ruled out" Street, ICE, and Squirrel.

Though you've "put me aside for now" because of my efforts and "interrogation techniques," I do hope you'll engage with me with both your thoughts and reads. While I don't particularly mind your focus on Eek, in no way are you nearly 100% cleared, as you so casually assumed with those aforementioned three.

In my profession as Scum I've usually found ways to "take responsibility" for things, because it has the effect of soothing distrust while attracting trust. This is why I don't really like Fferyllt's (893), because it looks a bit that way. It may be genuine, but this is the third post in a row of hers that raises a little red flag in the barren recesses of my mind. Both ICEninja and you haven't left my radar, so I'll be observing both of you to decide whether your developing discussion is ruse or real.

Two or three more times the mention of re-reading has been rung. I've just checked and SG is V/LA until the 26th. ICEninja, Regfan, and Fferyllt stick out in my mind as Scum, with Havingfitz and Garmr as a distant fourth and fifth, so it all boils down to analyzing with care and every one of their reactions. MME's and Lol's absence is starting to irk me, too.

About TvK it feels like he's semi-lurking, because he's the only player I keep forgetting is in this game. He'll post a little blurb here and there occasionally, but it does little to give his slot any weight or credibility, because he's not contributing enough and could be seen as Scummy by others. He makes these cute and tiny statements bundled up in a nice little package, but where's the beef? The meat? The substance to it?

ICEninja, there's good reason to suspect you. Strangely, it feels as though Regfan and Garmr aren't all that interested in inspecting his slot in spite of his shifty demeanor the Day before (so, there could be 3 Scum). You, ICE, knew what you were doing when you voted Bard, and it's because you expected me to hammer player "X" at L-1. You wanted to get rid of him, didn't you? In spite of not being assuaged by his guilt you voted for him anyways, which drops you down into my Scumpile as well. Your paranoia and frustration feels more than a little forced, your opportunism dictates your ever-changing votes, and your reasons come all-too-conveniently to support each and every one of your dubious insinuations. This is a gut feeling as well.

Do you know what's really weird? Kid A's reaction to my vote on him Day 1.

Fferyllt, was it you who said Fitz would be in your top Town Tier provided he gave kill confirmation? If so, how does that reconcile with your newfound uncertainty on policy-lynching him? He confirmed his kill, yet you don't seem to have him in your top tier as you mentioned earlier. Why?

Is Lolwagons and Eek still in this game? Lol, Eek, TvK, and presumably SG need to stop lurking, because it's hurting both Town and the game. If you can't properly commit to this, and you do car about Town's survival, then please replace out.

...and lo and behold, ICEninja is shifting while searching for reasons to dump suspicion on others. Your ever-shifting stance towards everyone (including myself) is apparent. Strangely he continues to repeat the same empty diatribe about my questions not helping Town, in spite of the fact that they do help. Town's got no reason to cling to fallacies, and he's been given more than enough time to reconcile the error in his comments. Oddly enough he contradicts himself in (903) by stating Regfan, Fferyllt, and SG are in his "will not lynch" pile, yet at the end of his post has them as "probably not Scum." He should also explain why SG is even on there. Perhaps I'm stretching a tad on this one, or maybe not. What I do know is that I'm going to cast my vote against him and see how people react.

VOTE: ICEninja

[fferyllt]

Fferyllt, was it you who said Fitz would be in your top Town Tier provided he gave kill confirmation? If so, how does that reconcile with your newfound uncertainty on policy-lynching him? He confirmed his kill, yet you don't seem to have him in your top tier as you mentioned earlier. Why?

Because of his target. I was extremely annoyed with his target, and was thinking I should have been more emphatic about both having Herself in my town pile and being pretty damn qualified to read the Mollie head of the hydra.

I'm a little surprised you're reading me as calm. I've been temperish off and on throughout the game and I was venting spleen in my first posts of the game day. This makes me wonder if you may have trouble reading tone, particularly in players who tend toward icy anger or sardonic delivery.

[fferyllt]

The other issue is the lack of a 2nd kill, though that could be attributable to a protective role making a good call on target.

I've claimed vig early in a game as scum in the past, so the lack of a kill and a target that makes sense for scum to want to kill raises my neck hairs a little.

[Wake1]

Current

Annihilator Beam

results.

Spoiler:

Kid A

001)———✹

Why'd you vote for Orestes for fluffposting when at that time you barely contributed at all?

"...in what way are these two statements linked, orestes was posting a lot but not actually saying anything (e.g. in an early post he basically says "tvk that was kind of noncommittal - not that i mind people being noncommital", what a fucking great observation)..."

002)———✹

Explain how Orestes is scummy for implying two people were suspicious, then voting someone else.

"...why would anyone with a town win condition identify two possible scum and then not use their vote to help kill these possible scum, i can understand voting the early wagon if you have nothing else to go on but Orestes had two better people to vote and still chose the safe vote that draws no attention to him..."

003)———✹

What's your read on Banksys Flareon's slot?

"...he made a weird post and then disappeared i do not know what to make of him..."

004)———✹

Elaborate on your reasoning for voting for Street Hassle.

"...see above. to clarify "see above" means the post i made earlier this page, not the above line about banksy..."

005)———✹

Who else is trying to "sound Town"?

"...i dont think anyone else is trying hard to get townread, i guess squirrel girl is trying pretty hard to be a funposter but thats probably more to do with character than allignment indicative. ICEninja towntells a lot but i think hes being genuine..."

ICEninja

001)———✹

What's your current read on Squirrel Girl?

"...I've stated my read on her several times. I'm really getting tired of you asking questions that I've clearly (and sometimes repeatedly) stated in the game. It hasn't changed much since the last time I stated that I am fully unwilling to see Nusty McSexytail lynched today...."

002)———✹

Your promised read of Herself today would be awesome.

"...I'll be hopefully taking care of that in the next hour or so. I need to catch up first...."

003)———✹

With TSO gone, are you going to continue pursuing his replacement (LolWagons) today?

"...READ MY FUCKING POSTS...."

004)———✹

Why do you plan so far in advance, like saying you'll for sure vote "X" or "Y" Day 2?

"...This actually is a good question. I mostly do that to remind myself of connections. I'll often make statements such as "I'll remember this connection when x player flips as it will have y impact on z player" so when I go back and re-read the game later I'll find that. Most of my preferred lynched past day 1 are weighed largely by interactions and vote counts, and sometimes I get things in one read-through that I miss in future ones, and some things I get in future read-throughs that I missed the first time around. It's extra tricky to do this with day talk, however, so these statements will probably hold slightly less weight than they do in most of my games...."

005)———✹

How exactly did Kid A increase on your Scum list significantly?

"...He was lurking heavily, someone asked where he was, and he replied with one word less than 10 minutes after said statement. Kid A is clearly reading the thread and actively lurking. This is super scummy considering how strong of scum hunters we have this game...."

006)———✹

Why do you think having a supposed Vig killing lurkers is a good thing for Town?

"...In your average game, I would tend to hold my shot as a vig for night 1 simply due to lack of information. However, this game has such a strong core of clearly town players that sifting out some of the unknowns could (as I believe I worded it) speed this game along to easy-mode cleanup..."

Herself

001)———✹

What's your current read on Regfan?

"...Desperado: Town..."

"...Mollie: I think I have him as town for now and I am treating him as such I believe I have said this already...."

002)———✹

Des, in your own words, what exactly did Fitz do in his first two votes that was so scummy?

"...Asked if there were any hydras in this game while quoting a hydra slip; invited SG to talk about her obviously negative reaction when she found out Herself was Mollie and I. Fluff + Instigation = scum..."

003)———✹

Mollie, why do you think Garmr(?) is reaching in your post (392)?

"...because to me it looked like he was stretching the argument to force a conclusion? the usual reasons why some1 might say that some1 was reaching?..."

004)———✹

What's your current read on Kid A?

"...Desperado: Town..."

"...Mollie: I personally don't have 1...."

005)———✹

To both of you: What's your current Towniest and Scummiest reads?

"...Desperado: Towniest - Street, Garmr, SG, Ice...Scummiest - Fitz, Bard, Milked..."

"...Mollie: desp has answered this already..."

006)———✹

Please share your reaction to the Quadraxis/Wake outbreak.

"...Desperado: I thought it was awesome and I wish you hadn't alt-slipped because I was enjoying the gimmick..."

"...Mollie: lemme guess you had this great idea that worked out perfectly in your head about how you were going to be all sneaky and try to stay under the radar and then all of a sudden you would burst into colour all over the thread in your cape and that you would single handedly decimate the scumteam cos they would see your awsumness and they would tremble and immediately drop 50 scumtells confess their scummy little sins and prostrate themselves at your feet while begging for mercy. no? mebbe thats just me then...."

Squirrel Girl

001)———✹

Who are your top Scumreads?

"...I'm not really sure or I'd probably be more forceful about who I want to lynch. I guess I would call it TvK and Kid A at this stage. Eek is a solid third...."

002)———✹

Please explain why you felt like Kid A and TvK were trying to compete for votes.

"...Because both of them are under heat and both are posting what amounts to prod dodge posts wherein they say nothing. That one did it right after the other and I felt the action was scummy, I felt they were competing to see who could look scummiest and thus earn the most votes...."

003)———✹

What's your current read on The Silver Bard?

"...Towny...."

004)———✹

Why did you vote for My Milked Eek when he wasn't around to react?

"...I voted Milked twice. The first time to wagon him, the second time because I thought we could get a bigger wagon...."

005)———✹

Does Street Hassle still look bad in your opinion?

"...Yes...."

006)———✹

You've voted and unvoted in individual posts eight times. Is this part of your strategy?

"...I'm not sure what you mean by 'individual posts' because, by definition, votes happen in individual posts. I would say, yes, my votes are part of my strategy. I hope that is the same for everyone. When you respond to this answer can you also explain the point of this question, it seems kinda silly...."

007)———✹

What's your current read on TvK?

"...Scummy...."

008)———✹

Why are Fitz and Kid A no longer within your Town read core?

"...I don't understand this question and think it's because you don't follow my reads or are misunderstanding something I said. I had Fitz as scummy and have recently called him more townish. I have never indicated a towny vibe of any sort on Kid A that I can remember, so though, yes, I do not tink he's town I don't think that's a change in my stance...."

TvK

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You haven't contributed as much as others. Why?

"...That's my way of playing the game. I'm not the guy that will start a huge case on someone on page 4 or that starts tunnelling people the moment they seem a little scummy. I do think that the things I say are useful and clear...."

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What is your read of me? You've neglected to do so, even in your read post (280).

"...You're complete null to me. You provide a lot of information from tons of questions. Now I just want you to use this information to also actively do something...."

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Currently, is Havingfitz leaning more Town or Scum in your opinion?

"...He's leaning scum, but Garmr and Bard are my biggest scumreads. I already said why I didn't like him and my opinion hasn't changed because of the fact that we are both on the Garmr wagon...."

Garmr

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If there were someone here who was shifty, twisted words, and misrepresented people, who would it be?

"...I feel like EEK would be that person half of that case he posted on me before could be demolished with a simple read of the posts i was responding to or previous posts of mine. Some of the cases contridict and some of them are just twisted meanings. It was like he was looking at singular posts and not the whole...."

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Do you think my Annihilator Beam shots help Town by means of extracting information?

"...I think it's meh I don't understand the benefits or cons it could have...."

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Would you be willing to simmer down a bit? Town works better with cool heads.

"...If you manage to convince SG to give me a hug maybe -puff cheeks- (In other words I'll just make jokes to blow off my steam from now on)..."

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Why are you so intent on lynching MME? The reasons need some weight, please.

"...I 100 percent believe his scum and his potential slips,misreps and just outright ignoring are just some of the evidence of that...."

Havingfitz

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In as few words as possible, between Herself and Garmr who is the better vote and why?

"...I would prefer Herself to Garmr to be perfectly honest but as I’ve mentioned a few times, I’m not going to let my vote waste away if my prime suspect isn’t getting support. So why would I actually prefer Herself?

The beaten to death crap case on me evolving from my 1st 2 posts.
Painting my reactions as against my typical meta (wrt defending myself) which is clearly incorrect.
Advocating policy lynches on lurkers 6 or 7 pages into the game.
Trying to encourage votes on me based on the fact my v/LA had ended….13 minutes into the day I was coming off v/LA. (Ridiculous)
Post 311 and Post 367 and probably more...."

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What's your exact read on LolWagon? Please be as brutally honest as possible.

"...I suspect the LolWagon based on T S O’s play and on his efforts against me. Call it OMGUS…I’m fine with that…but when I am town I consider anything that calls my alignment into question to be suspect. I go into this more in depth with Lol in my Post 678...."

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Would you be willing to work with Garmr to tone it down and more civilly search for Scum?

"...I did not realize I was being uncivil. If I am please point it out and I will adjust. I think Garmr is scum so I do not see me “working with” him...."

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What does your gut tell you about who's Scum?

...

My Milked Eek

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Why shouldn't I vote for you?

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If you were to die today, in a neat package what's the most helpful info you could gift us?

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Are you prepared to claim if you reach L-1?

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If there were someone here who was shifty, twisted words, and misrepresented people, who would it be?[/quote]

Regfan

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Your posts are as big if not bigger than mine. What do you make of that?

"...That's something I agreed on and something I've been trying to work on (I try and only comment on things I'm most certain on or thoughts that I need to get across in my posts). I think the difference in our posts though is I think you're focusing a lot more on things I'm not reading as tells...."

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What's your read on The Silver Bard and MME, and have you made any changes?

"...Gone into this above but I'm fairly sure Milked is town now and I think TSB is scum...."

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Who is your top current Scum read, and would you list three reasons why?

"...Strongest scum read is still Fitz and I'll give you two really strong ones: 1) I think his focus on who he's attacking and pushing on (Garmr/Herself ect.) is scum motivated and not him genuinely scumhunting 2) I think his entire interaction with Herself is him trying to covince them they're wrong on him and if he read them as scum he wouldn't care to do that (ie. His discussion with her comes across as him "knowing" she's town)...."

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Do you think Squirrel Girl has deliberately tried to find ways to lynch me?

"...No. I think she's just irritated by you...."

Guys, please answer my questions. You may think they've been answered already, but we all can't assume that, so it would help Town if your answered briefly in this format so that no one has to hunt/guess/assume your answers. (I think I'm going to start time-stamping my questions, too.)

Havingfitz

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What does your gut tell you about who's Scum?

My Milked Eek

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Why shouldn't I vote for you?

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If you were to die today, in a neat package what's the most helpful info you could gift us?

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Are you prepared to claim if you reach L-1?

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If there were someone here who was shifty, twisted words, and misrepresented people, who would it be?

*Cocks

Annihilator Beam

*

*BLAM*

(x?)

[ICEninja]

How likely is it that we're dealing with a 3-member Scumgroup with Daytalk? I think it's unlikely, and that instead we're up against a 2-man team. Or, we're dealing with 3 Scum + Daytalk... + a few more Town PRs?

All are possible. With the current information we have I'm running with the assumption that there are 3 scum, though it is generally too early in the game to really consider that information to use regrading scum hunting. My scum game where I had day talk had 2 scum, one Godfather and one role blocker. I'm guessing that isn't the current setup in this game, however, as we already have a claimed vig and flipped mason. The lack of investigative roles would lead to a lack of meaningful godfather, suggesting a PROBABLY 3 man scum team. Unless fitz is scum and we have a cop after all, so it is entirely possible. I'm try to not rule anything out at this point.

You, ICE, knew what you were doing when you voted Bard, and it's because you expected me to hammer player "X" at L-1. You wanted to get rid of him, didn't you? In spite of not being assuaged by his guilt you voted for him anyways, which drops you down into my Scumpile as well.

I made it very clear who my preferred lynches were. None of them were viable lynch options. We were approaching deadline dangerously, and letting town no-lynch could have been disastrous. I also find it odd that you accused me of being scummy because I voted a player whom I was not convinced was guilty, yet you not only explained your intent to do so during day 1, have admitted you would have done it after the fact. A quick look through the end of your day 1 play doesn't show you having ANY suspicion of Bard. Care to explain this?

I'm not saying town necessarily would have let the no-lynch happen had I not voted, but I wasn't willing to take the risk. I put 2 players to L-1 whom I didn't want to, and that's just because town ran shit right up to deadline despite my repeated requests to avoid doing that.

ICEninja, Regfan, and Fferyllt stick out in my mind as Scum, with Havingfitz and Garmr as a distant fourth and fifth, so it all boils down to analyzing with care and every one of their reactions. MME's and Lol's absence is starting to irk me, too.

About TvK it feels like he's semi-lurking, because he's the only player I keep forgetting is in this game.

Considering how you just talked about how SG isn't obvtown, you're suspecting a hell of a lot of the cast here. This is odd, considering a majority of players have multiple strong town reads. Kid A isn't even mentioned here, yet he's easily the scummiest player here. You also had your vote on him for a short while during the end of day 1 yet you've not put him even as your distant 4th or 5th scummiest. Care to reconcile this as well?

ICEninja is shifting while searching for reasons to dump suspicion on others. Your ever-shifting stance towards everyone (including myself) is apparent.

Please point out these ever shifting stances. I've had a difficult time reading you all game, as you've been a various shade of null pretty much the entire time you've been here. Kid A has been on my scum list for quite some time, and I've never town read TvK. No one in my town pile is new. In fact my list of reads for day 2 is quite similar to the reads I've had for quite some time now.

Either you're confused or lying.

Strangely he continues to repeat the same empty diatribe about my questions not helping Town, in spite of the fact that they do help.

I've pointed out specific questions that were worthless and I've pointed out why. I've also noted that some of your questions are indeed town motivated. I'm getting tired of this misrepresentation.

Oddly enough he contradicts himself in (903) by stating Regfan, Fferyllt, and SG are in his "will not lynch" pile, yet at the end of his post has them as "probably not Scum."

Those players you just listed are all probably not scum. Therefore I am unwilling to lynch them today. Please explain how this is a contradiction.

He should also explain why SG is even on there.

Her push on Milked Eek looked town. I'm not a fan of how much she simply disappeared towards the end of the day, but just reading through her posts I just find a general town motivation. It isn't really worth my time to go in to detail as to why unless there is a large wagon developing on her, which I don't see happening.

Since I have so many questions for you I'm going to list them in a nice order so you can go ahead and answer all of them.
1) Why am I scummy for voting Bard, whose guilt seemed unconvincing, when you made it clear both before and after that you had intentions to hammer the exact same player, despite a significant lack of any mention of suspicion of the player?
2) What are your thoughts on all of Kid A's votes during day 1?
3) You had your vote on Kid A for a short time towards the end of day 1, and have expressed suspicion of him in your post, yet you don't even have him listed as your distant 4th or 5th most suspicious. Why is that?
4) Where have I had "ever-shifting stances" on players? Can you point out anything that doesn't track?
5) How is it a contradiction that I am unwilling to lynch today players that I feel are probably not scum?

Your responses will significantly cement my read on you.

[TvK]

About TvK it feels like he's semi-lurking, because he's the only player I keep forgetting is in this game. He'll post a little blurb here and there occasionally, but it does little to give his slot any weight or credibility, because he's not contributing enough and could be seen as Scummy by others. He makes these cute and tiny statements bundled up in a nice little package, but where's the beef? The meat? The substance to it?

I already told you that that's just my style of playing. But what about yourself Wake? When are you finally going to get really involved? You just occasionally drop in to ask another ton of questions, followed by another huge post with the strangest reads in this game. The same goes for the end of last dazy. It was quite obvious that either Bard or Garmr was going to be the lynch, but then you just enter and vote Kid A (which also was your first vote all game long)... Ok, I can see why you think he's scummy, but how was Kid A ever going to be the one lynched at the end of the day? You have no involved yourself even once in the forming of the wagons. You haven't even told us once who you actually found most likely to be scum (of those people that had votes on them). And now you just waltz back in with yet again a set of new questions and a post which says ICE (almost a universal townread) is your top scumread, followed by Ffery and Regfan (once again, universal townreads). What about Kid A? You know, that player you wanted to see lynched yesterday.

[ICEninja]

^ Possibly TvK's best post of the game so far.

[Regfan]

The site has been down really often lately. Anyway catching up now, should be able to spend a good few hours on this.

[Regfan]

Wake, I don't see it being a two man scumteam unless the scum have some serious power, while daytalk is strong it doesn't equate an entire scum player (The one game that I've been in as scum with daytalk was 2 scum but we had a 1-shot hidden day-kill from memory and there was also a lyncher in the game) so yeah, 2 v 11 isn't that likely here but we probably do have slightly higher town power than normal.

Spoiler: As for your others things:

1) There's a lot of players that I wouldn't have been pissed of

if he vigged

for instance Kid A, TvK, Milked or heck even LolWagons my massive issue with him shooting Herself was they were one of my strongest town reads and I even explained it in great detail how as well as how scum reads on them were wrong. So for someone to turn around and ignore me and vig her makes me entire effort seem wasted which is really irritating. As for who

I specifically would have vigged in his position

probably someone like TvK or Milked but I'd have done a lot more rereading overnight.

2) Setup wise I don't want to touch on this too much because it helps scum but yeah, there can be modified roles in here other than doctor and mason but existence of masons means investigate roles cannot exist since it allows for potential mass-clearages which is why Vig+Masons work.

3) I'd happily discuss thoughts with you;

what's your read on Milked right now exactly?

He's someone I can see being mafia going by process of elimination. I re-read his ISO when I couldn't sleep last night and thought I'd give myself a chance to sleep and think on it and while I dislike his introuction post and his initial reads (Especially his sticking of Herself in the "In between" section with no reasoning since I can see it being scum hedging their bets to potentially mslynch them with ICE and Fitz's vote) but every time I think about his case on Garmr I have some difficulty seeing it coming from scum. Largest thing I want your thoughts on about him though is that I read his "This is just thoughts for you all to have tomorrow" in Post 629 as town but it actually contradicts with his attitude for the rest of the day really, his case on Garm in Post 670 wasn't a "He's scum, you can lynch him after you realize I'm town" it was "Lynch Garm win-win!" which fits more with scum setting up a safety-net counterwagon.

4) I've gone into detail several times why I've happily 100% ruled out Street, ICE and Squirrel but a summary is that I've hydraed with Empire, spoken about several games with him and played with him offsite so I have a very good idea of what his Scum vs Town play differences are like, here he's played to his town meta to a Tee, especially with his interaction with Herself, as scum he doesn't get frustrated and annoyed with someone attacking his reads, as town he does. I've read a significant chunk of posts from ICE as insanely genuine and something that I flat out can't see scum saying for instance his paranoia about all of his town reads and his worry that we'd no lynch or that the longer the day went the more paranoia he'd go through. My SG is admittedly harder to explain and probably not a 100% rule out, moreso just someone I'm not interested in lynching right now but her demeanor and scumhunting has read town, specifically her paranoia over Street not revealing meta.

Computers overheating so turning it of and getting back to this when it's cooled down (Keeps freezing when I try and type or edit anything here). Everything else will have to wait until then.

[Regfan]

ICE, I actually understood Kid A's reasoning behind his Street vote (While it not something I agree with at all it's something that I think comes from town significantly more than scum), on the same note I thought his "subject to change" + "assuming I still like this vote" was a town-tell, not a scum-tell. I think it's him legitimately recognizing that his reads might change with more information, consistent reads that never change are something scum do. Town change with new information. Are you calling his Post 70 a "Shitty reason for voting" because I thought his reasoning there was fairly sound, just didn't agree with his conclusion. The only reasoning of yours I actually agree with and gives me some pause about Kid A is his Post 818 the "scum were seemingly pretty well powered" kind of reads as inside information but bar that I read his paranoia ect. as town.

[Regfan]

Time to to Re-ISO TvK and see if anything sticks out. The meta comparison between a completed town game of his and his comment directed towards me in Post 280 is a decent town-tell, also liked his explanation behind his "Too many people are town" comment in Post 449. That said I really don't like Post 488 the whole "I don't want to call Wake town" reads as scum disliking an inactive coming in and providing content and getting town read from it. His reads in Post 564 mirrored a lot of mine at the time which I consider a decent town tell too but I didn't like his change of vote to Garmr in Post 682 at all when I was catching up before and still don't like it now, reads as opportunistic, the part that bugs me the most though is the

"took me long enough to find a good place"

which insinuates that he didn't really consider his vote on Orestes a good place which contradicts with his read in Post 280 and statements in Post 291 and Post 383, reads as him attempting to distance from that push before a flip.

I don't like his attack on Kid A's Fitz's vote today, I thought Kid A's vote there was understandable given the lack of two nightkills and no claim of a kill at the time by Fitz. Another thing that's bugging me about his play today is the fact that he hasn't voted anyone; If he was claiming to have difficulty attaining scum reads then this would be understandable but he's claiming to scum read Garmr and Kid A so the lack of vote looks like him not wanting to put himself in the limelight. So yeah, my town read on him probably was wrong, Herself probably won't let me forget about it either,

I blame Empire!

Between Milked and TvK, I have less reservations about this vote:

Vote: TvK

Oh and LolWagons, I really need some content from you dude, you need to get in here.

[TvK]

Kid A is my main scumread, starting from the end of last day when he came in and let know that he was suspicious of ICE. A little later he comes up with a very strange theory and concludes that Herself is scum, and finally just hops on the Bard wagon (of who he never gave a read, not that he ever gave reads all game long), a wagon that was mainly driven by Herself, his main scumread apparently. Then finally he just hops on the Bard wagon, without really having an explanation except for the fact that he found Orestes scummy.

Also, the only thing he said about Fitz all game long, is that he's not an awful lynch near the end of the day. Well, Fitz went on and shot Herself, Kid A's scumread, remember? And now Fitz is scum? So many inconsistencies.

[havingfitz]

We're in a 13-player game. How likely is it that we're dealing with a 3-member Scumgroup with Daytalk? I think it's unlikely, and that instead we're up against a 2-man team.

Or, we're dealing with 3 Scum + Daytalk... + a few more Town PRs?

In a 13 player game I always assume 3 mafia.  With a slight chance of an SK.  Though not sure how likely there would be a chance of an SK in a game with a vig as well.  So I don’t think there is an SK in this game.  Plus there would have potentially been even more kills.  So I would assume 3 mafia.  Not sure what impact daytalk would have on the set up but my assumption is, without knowing what PR’s scum might have, that it points to town having a bit more power.  Vig and masons is a good start.  IMO there is probably also either an investigative ability of some kind and a/or a protective ability of some kind (which could explain a failed night kill).  And that goes for either town or scum. 
 

Tl:dr;

Too many options to consider.
 

Fitz, yesterday you said you were an Odd-Night Vigilante. You claimed Herself's death, and only one person died last Night. How so? Do you think you could have been protected last Night, or that someone blocked Mafia? That would have had to have been the case, otherwise your claim is a downright lie.

How so?  How would I know?  Some possibilities that may have been mentioned already and which I’m sure you could imagine include:
 
- Mafia held off on their NK to implicate me
- Mafia’s shooter was JK’d or RB’d
- Mafia’s target was JK’d or Doc’d
- Mafia shot Herself also since they didn’t know for sure who I was targeting
- I was RB'd and Mafia shot Herself
- I’m fakeclaiming and there was only the potential for 1 nk all along
 

Why exactly, in your own words, did you decide to shoot Herself? ...and no, I'm afraid it wasn't pretty obvious that Herself was in your target pool.

Umm…I’m afraid it was pretty obvious that I suspected Herself.  I spelled this out to you in a response to a question from you and that was obvious to at least one other player (TvK).  And given my inclination as a Vig was to shoot who I suspected….that points to Herself.  Assuming I even got the chance to take my shot, I wasn’t going to waste it on a lurker or some unknown.  I wanted scum. 
 
You yourself said:

Herself wasn't my biggest Townread, and

I was surprised she flipped Town.

So my target should not be coming across as that unreasonable from at least your pov.
 

If Bard hadn't robbed us of time we may have gotten around to discussing your target. Undoubtedly there were reservations about your claim which may in part explain people's reluctance to discuss it, and as for the Masons it's extremely unlikely they'd have the inclination to poke their heads out of the earth and reveal themselves to the world of their own volition.

We will never know what the conversation may have led if TSB hadn’t essentially quick hammered himself.  I assume there would have been further discussion about Vig targets and like I said to someone…I would have been fine with providing a few names.  My only concern, after having already having had to reveal myself, was that if I gave an exact name…scum would have info they didn’t need to have.
 

What I can't seem to understand is why you didn't take your claim and ergo role more seriously, and didn't take the initiative to broach the subject of your target yourself while you had so much time to do so.

How does someone not take a claim seriously?   I claimed.  Look at my avatar…does that look un-serious?  And I take offense at your accusation that I am not taking my role seriously.  Everyone is different and has different opinions/suspicions/concerns.  Your thoughts might not be the same as mine (aside from the fact Herself’s flip surprised you) but no one is always right.  And what “so much time to do so” are you referring to?  TSB self-hammered less than 24 hours after I claimed and I made at least one post in that time that indicated my views on my targets.  What more did you expect in such

limited

time?
 

As Scum you likely felt you didn't have to, or need to. If I were the Vig, and found myself outed, I'd waste no effort in discussing the matters of the pool. You somehow lacked the initiative and the fire in your belly because it is you, Fitz, who is suspicious.

    
I did not have as much time as you would have everyone believe and the subject of my target had been broached. Unless I cared who others wanted me to target (which I did not)...how would I have acted differently?
 
Also…on the subject of my claim….I am perfectly capable of making a good claim.  I’ve been applauded for it before and my ability to fakeclaim has been instrumental in winning games before.  I know how to claim.  Point is, if I was scum working out a fakeclaim I can tell you my first option would not have been role that would result in me potentially outing myself the very first night.  I don’t know what my first option would have been since that wasn’t my train of thought but if I was scum…I would have known I would be under even more suspicion following a disparity in kills after N1.   I.e. Odd night Vig (or any Vig) would not have been it.
 

Fitz, please educate us all on how anyone who thought you weren't shooting anyone other than Herself and Garmr wasn't reading the game.

You said you might have a 2-3 player target pool, yet insinuate that people who didn't for sure know it was either Herself or Garmr were ignorant.

Because I spent most of D1 with my suspicions/my vote on Herself and when that was going nowhere…on Garmr.  That’s how.  Plus as shown in the links I provide earlier in this post wrt to a reply to you and from TvK.
 

You never made your targets obvious, and you squandered the time you had to discuss your targets.[/u] Although I don't think you've explicitly lied to me, my trust in you is shaken, Fitz. At the moment I have you in my Scum pile.

 
They should have been obvious to anyone who looked at my posting/voting history.  I find it hard to believe you are making my choice out to seem like it was not a given.  And less than 24 hours is not a lot of time.  It feels slightly misrepresentative of you to paint it as such.
 

Do you know what's really weird? Kid A's reaction to my vote on him Day 1.

Why?
 

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Havingfitz

 

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What does your gut tell you about who's Scum?

I still suspect Garmr but the fact I'm still here has me doubting that read. Plus, one quality post is not enough to “a town read” make.  As far as my list is concerned, he’s still on it.  The other two ATM on my mind are TvK and Kid.  Lol didn’t come to mind because they seem to have flaked…out of sight out of mind.  I haven’t voted anyone yet today because the day has just begun and I need to digest things.
 

I thought Kid A's vote there was understandable given the lack of two nightkills and

no claim of a kill at the time by Fitz

Given the fact I had claimed my kill at the time Kid voted me…and he still is.  I understand we both posted at the same time so he might not have seen my shot revelation but it would have been immediately obvious to him and nothing changed wrt his vote.  So is his remaining vote still understandable? 

[ICEninja]

Reg I agree with a lot of your reads but honestly the fact that you're town reading Kid A for terrible reasons is REALLY worrying me. I suppose his Orestes suspicion was worthwhile, if very weak, but

nothing

in his early posts were really worth reading.

Seriously. Do my a favor and go read Street's post 62. Firstly, how can anyone possibly justify a scum read based on that one post? Secondly, how can that one post, which was on page 3, possibly justify a page 19 vote when there was SO MUCH SHIT TO DISCUSS?? Kid A didn't discuss any of it, he dropped his vote for god awful reasons and said in a way that I interpret as "I'm not going to explain my vote until I get reactions from voting the most town player in the game".

You read his paranoia as town?? 3 of his scum reads during day 1 were Street, myself, and Herself. Those have been your 3 strongest town reads all game, and one or multiple of them have been included in virtually everyone's town list. There's a difference between paranoia and attempting to undermine people's town reads. Also, how do you feel about

how long

Kid A's vote was on Street? There was tons to discuss, but every single player in the game knew that Street wasn't going to be the day 1 lynch. Why keep such a useless vote for so long? How is that town at all?

Also how do you feel about the fact that he was lurking, someone called him out on it, and 7 minutes later he posted a one word contentless post? If that isn't proof that he's been active lurking I've got no clue what is.

When Kid A flips scum your town read is going to come in to

serious

question here. Your reasons for town reading that player are completely fabricated.

[fferyllt]

It's not a completely fabricated IMO. Empire had a mixed read on Kid A for many of the same reasons.

I am thinking Kid A scum, though. I'll go into some detail tonight, but there's not likely to be much in the way of new ground covered.

I will be mostly away from keyboard today, but may get a phonepost or two in.

[Garmr]

Post like 901 and 902 are the reasons I keep Ice in my town list.

How does someone not take a claim seriously?   I claimed.  Look at my avatar…does that look un-serious? 

Actually it kinda looks like a guy with bad constipation.

Was relooking at my case on eek to make a stronger case than yesterday but what I got instead was allot of interesting points and interactions which need sorting out.

I read some iso's and laid out my thoughts. There sure is a lot of fluff and silly stuff going around (nuts and robots, really?).


Town reads:

Street Hassle

The only annoyance I have is the heavy emphasis on meta. The way I see it is that metaing should be used as a complimentary tool to scumhunting and not as a starting point. I don't see a lot of content based on the thread (in comparison to the meta stuff).

LolWagons/TSO

- tso wasn't that scummy to warrant the amount of suspicion he received, he simply overreached (11 games)

ICE

SG

In between:

The Silver Bard /Orestes

What's the case against orestes? I saw some accusations but I don't remember why. Leaning towards town on this slot.

Herself

Having fitz

What's the case again against having fitz? His first two posts? Is there anything else? I can't remember.

Regfan/Banksys

- banksys, I got nothing, nullposts result in a nullread
- regfan, leaning towards town based on his posts, but to be honest, I skimmed his ISO and the only thing that stuck was that I was on his scum list a few times and a few posts later he posts "We uh kind of want lurkers to flake and sub out. It means they'll be replaced by someone that's likely more active and thus more readable." (#429). The two don't exclude each other (especially since my one post had been interpreted as scummy by many), but it does feel a bit contradictory.

TvK

Puts out only town reads (and even then, sparsely), has a vote on orestes since his first post, has no other scumreads (but could join my wagon #383). I'm leaning scum, but I haven't seen enough content to get a more solid reading.

Wake88/Quadraxis

Was that robot thing really necessary? I couldn't bring myself to read all that crap and actually intended to policy lynch you for it.

Your walls are also annoying. Condense your thoughts please. When I read that wall and saw that you were only up to post #60 something I lost the courage to continue reading your iso. Are you trying to submit us into a town read by heavy posting? The only upside is that you're not just rehashing the thread. And what's with not doing anything with the answers to your questions?

Nullread. If anything, more of an annoying what-are-you-doing read. I just couldn't be bothered after that "caught up to post #60" line. Seriously.


Scum reads:

Kid A

Post #474 is probably the only post commentable by Kid A (besides his votes, but lol). I just can't imagine anyone voting for Street Hassle at this stage of this game and his explanation is really lackluster (hydra interaction #456). His reason for orestes would warrant his vote more imo and voting Street Hassle (just for a hydra thing) is really stretching it.

Garmr

I don't like the "nutsy mcsexytails" thing he had going early on. Reeks of buddying up to SG while voting on her -throws a chestnut against garm's head-. The reason to the vote is also meh at most. The theory linking is also raising some bells.

And then he drops the vote on me. And it's not because he voted me that I find that vote suspicious. The context to this vote is:
- he's suspicious of orestes
- "fitz is looking suspicious as well (but he might mess up day 2)" (wat?)
- "But to answer your question in order of who I would want out I would say Orestes, then milked and finally tso."
I don't understand why anyone would switch from their first suspicion to their second, I just don't. Perhaps he felt the town mood was right (let's lynch lurkers!) and felt the need to pile on, I don't know, but I do know that I don't like that post sequence/vote.

There's just too much fluff in his posts, too many nuts being thrown and illogical vote placement.

Vote: garmr

However, if you give me that perfect Larvitar, I'll drop the suspicions

Ok with this post I noticed Lolwagons was in his town list while I haven't seen Lolwagons as practically close to being in my scum list being at the bottom of my null in 560. I actually forgot about his existence at the start of day 2 That's not really a good a thing.

He writes a 3 sentence post reasons why Kid A was a scum read this is interesting because it will lead into further discussion

post 633 He responds to regfan. If Kid A is scum this could be a humming chainsaw to say hey back off this read. Eek continues to maintain his scum read of Kid A

That said I agree with ICE that the whole “You can go ahead and lynch me” in Post 633 reads as gambitty especially with what I remember from doing his meta reading before but going over and doing a mass quick re-read is something I'll make sure to do either tonight or tomorrow morning*. The explanation behind not seeing or knowing the cases on Fitz and Orestes is really really bad though, it’s not just looking in “Their ISO’s” it’s a discussion that occurred between everyone throughout large portions of the thread so you not knowing = you not reading the game to look for information and tells but rather just to seem “here”. Didn’t like the admittance that his reads list was “Awful” and “Superficial” too without actually amending them with legitimate updated thoughts until questioned and then the only real amendment was TvK. The defence of Fitz Post 634 fits as scum partners too (Especially with both being leading wagons at the moment, the entire sacrificial gambit attempt might be because 1) Fitz is a more important role or 2) Because he thinks he can get town read from it and potentially swing the lynch somewhere else like Garmr).

Meta things: I've done this twice before, once as scum (the game Street linked) and once as town (I don't remember which game anymore, it's been some time). Going from hazy memory: The scum game was a lost cause (I believe I replaced into a very bad situation?) and the town game was a disaster (iirc, not sure).

I also elaborated on Kid A and I'm going to post that garm post soonish (next few hours).

He basically says he elaborated on Kid A as a defense while regfan point was that he needed to be pushed to give his reads.

693,758,805 I came to the conclusion that they are not on the same scum team so if one flips scum the other is almost guaranteed to flip town.

Also if Kid A flips scum reinforces my urge to look deeper into regfan.

TvK

Garmr: A bit of this and a bit of that. I can't say I have a town read on him. I can't say I find him scummy. Absolute null at the moment.

This is a wtf considering how much he likes me 65, 178 this looks to me like he want to keep his options open yet try to buddy me at the same time.


I still feel like most of posts on tvk yesterday are relevant so I'm going to look at Lolwagons in a latter post Because right now I can't be stuffed after looking through all TvKs and eek shit to cover things I possibly missed.

[Garmr]

SG is back today and I saw her online. Does a backflip yahh. So what do you think of the events that transpired while you were gone SG

[ICEninja]

al·lot (-lt)
tr.v. al·lot·ted, al·lot·ting, al·lots
1. To parcel out; distribute or apportion: allotting land to homesteaders; allot blame.
2. To assign as a portion; allocate: allotted 20 minutes to each speaker.

As in, we have this allotted time to do this task.

A. LOT. IS. TWO. WORDS.

GAH

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[ICEninja]

So Garmr. You seem to be trying to do some analysis, but in the end I can barely tell who you think is scum and why. Give me your top 3 lynch preferences, in order, with basic reasons why, please.

[Squirrel Girl]

Also, the only thing he said about Fitz all game long, is that he's not an awful lynch near the end of the day. Well, Fitz went on and shot Herself, Kid A's scumread, remember? And now Fitz is scum? So many inconsistencies.

I would like to see Kid A address this, as I agree with it.

SG is back today and I saw her online. Does a backflip yahh. So what do you think of the events that transpired while you were gone SG

I am not happy with them as all that happened was a pair of my town reads died and that does little to help me narrow my focus.

Vote: Wake

Still really am not happy-happy as regards that slot. I do not think he's getting enough attention, I do think he's scummy, I would like to get him lynched. I'll go ahead and offer some support to the Kid A wagon, but then since everyone is doing so I don't think it's the wagon I want to push right now.

[Squirrel Girl]

I will add that Eek kinda sold me on him being town yesterday near the end. So that read is different. Everything else is about the same.