A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Nautilius]

That's awkward because I almost vigged Agar before noticing his roleblock crumb >.>
Serious question though Agar lived to kill Titus, Agar wasn't exactly trying the hardest, Agar was killed because ???
Either this game has the most amazing doctor, the scum are avoiding killing all the 'soft-cleared town' because they love you, or something else is going on here. 18-6 seems kind of unbalanced too?

PS dueling the goat was bad and I bet if I'd come to your house for playtime you would have wanted to kill him. Tell me how I could be scum again when I'm a double-confirmed vig, because I would love to hear something besides PoE that also made dueling the doublevoting censor a good idea. Also RE: Alfred had an awesome Day 1, in my experience it's actually pretty easy to start out strong and slowly drift into the background when no one is looking at you. Also because:

That's a good list.
This is a simple decision.
VOTE: Goat on a Raft

Doesn't coincide with:

How does Benmage have 236 posts??
I get that he's super cheeky but beyond that he's Just There.
He probably shouldn't be getting the E.

Elle should though.
That would be a pretty Excellent Spyrex Bus.
In addition to Excellent Claiming Planz.
In addition to being Previously and Otherwise Town.

If there's one person I've actually read enough times to be confident on it's her.

Which seems like it was awhile ago but was about four whole posts ago on the Empire is posting even less then me scale. I'm wondering what he thinks of the pain train heading on her and him right now.

I dueled goat because it felt right. It wasn't right. I thought about your use of vig power and no it doesn't make sense for you as scum.

[Nautilius]

Elle, control + F yields approximately one hit on "Tierce" day 1. If you were going to permanently roleblock her, then why the hell didn't you mention anything about her D1?

Didn't get here in time to reply with this the other day, though it was already answered:

Why did you start the day voting for Zdenek? On day three you were convinced Spyrex was scum and you danced the the thread with a sign. You spent day one arguing with Thor and pushing his lynch. But you were about as convinced as one could get that Tierce was scum on day one and you don't interact with her at all? You don't vote her? You don't question her? You just nothing? Come now.

If you were just totally convinced that Tierce was scum day one, how come Post 447 is the only mention of Tierce before Post 2557 when you asked Nacho why Tierce wasn't in the lynch order after he said Tammy/Tierce are strong scum reads. Other than that the next time you mention her is when you start asking us if Tierce is town.

One, because I wasn't very

convinced

on anything until after Thor's flip. A lot of my decision to target Tierce was based on Thor's final reads and him wanting to see either her or Zdenek's flip, in combination with the weird final vote switch/Faraday doesn't do millers reasoning. I meta'd some of her games at night at it wasn't adding up - that, and because I saw her as the biggest threat if she was scum.

Two, what would have been the point in not following my other reads for scum - when I'd already done all I can to take her abilities away if she were scum? Why not focus on my next highest scumspect, since I'd already taken away what I could of what Tierce's scum abilities from my pov?

I figured the best thing I could do was let it play out until either she claimed doing something as scum that my action would have blocked - or until I thought she was town. Which I did - and why I came out telling you all the kill me because I thought her claim was truthful instead of a gambit - and that she had a chance to save herself and one other 3 times as opposed to just being one-shot BP.

Why was Tierce the biggest threat as scum over many others? Why not wait until you are more sure on reads? Why sheep the guy you just lynched the fuck out of?

[Nautilius]

I feel like this is an attempt to pit town vs town.
Do not like.

What does this even mean?

[Nautilius]

-Empire's scumgame is very inconsistent; he can make one big post, but his consistency is absolute shit. During Day 1, Empire was around, he was posting, he was doing a lot of good things. Compare his D1 here with his D1 in that Mini Normal and you'll see a hell of a difference.
-Empire hates scum. Llamarble does not hate scum, and is competent at it. If that hydra drew scum, Llamarble would be the driving head and Empire would be in the background (see any morph the cat scum completed game for an example of that), but Empire was the primary driver the entire game and he's uncomfortable as fuck.
-See Empire's confidence in the mini normal scumgame, where his biggest meta threat was ffery versus his confidence here, where his biggest meta threats were Tammy/Tierce as part of the TET masonry. There's no way in hell he goes from awkward as hell as scum in a Mini Normal to god-tier town D1 here when there are more things he has to worry about here.

I don't think any of these points are valid at this juncture.

1. It's D7. Has Borden looked town at ALL since D1? Neither you nor Tammy can point to anything Empire's done in the last 6 days to justify the townread he gave you D1. How is that anything but inconsistency?
2. OK. a) They are obviously aware of this and are certainly capable of playing on your expectations, and b) Llamarble is also a fucking awesome town player and so is Empire, and as a team they have accomplished exactly jack and shit despite being a universal townread since D1. How is that not ringing alarm bells for you???
3. There's no way in hell? Get real, Nacho. It's called effort. He gave it D1 and he towned it up. In Wingate his town energy never let up despite that game descending into total madness--here he's in an uber powerful D1 townblock with all of his best friends and he tapers off into total nothingness.

Vote: Alfred Borden

- Des

-Yeah, he did. I can point to town things that he's done in the past days, never said I couldn't. D1 is the selling point, though.
2: being aware of something doesn't mean you can play to it unless you're a good scum player. Empire isn't a good scum player. It's not ringing alarm bells for me because Empire has some rl shit that happened to him so I understand why he hasn't been involved that deep. Llamarble play has no excuse.
3: see real life issues.

[Nautilius]

D1 - Thor hammered by PNJ
N1 - No kill
D2 - Amrun hammered by Spyrex
N2 - Macmollie killed
D3 - Spyrex hammered by Tierce
N3 - No kill
D4 - Quadz hammered by Goat on a Raft
N4 - Katsuki killed by Shadoweh
D5 - PNJ hammered by Borden
N5 - No kill
D6 - Goat on a Raft hammered by Borden
N6 - AGar killed

Guess who never got a chance to check in D6 to say who he blocked N5 and then got murdered the next night even though he wasn't in town block?

Borden is scum.

- Des

Titus in going with the flavor of the month shocker.

I like MC's case but it's more flawless irt why Agar was killed than why AB is scum. That said, I had an early scum read on the slot before it was fashionable, but did choose to focus on Other Targets more recently. Going back to re-read and see if reasons still apply.

That was the worst attempt at a vote before, kinda missed an important part to it, sorry.

Vote: TheAlchemist

Agar was probably killed yesterday night because scumteam thought AGar had a guilty on one of them, but I used powers last night that were more likely to stop the kill than his block.

[Nautilius]

The night before last***

[ooba]

Agar was probably killed yesterday night because scumteam thought AGar had a guilty on one of them, but I used powers last night that were more likely to stop the kill than his block.

By last night, you mean N5 right?

Nacho I agree with you on Alfred. But why elle? Do you really see her - coming in to the thread the day after SpyreX was lynched and declaring that we need to kill her? Plus the vanillazing Tierce when Tierce probably got hit N1 is a good point in her favor too.

[Shadoweh]

Agar claimed roleblocker, why would the scumteam think he was a cop? O_o Did he say he was one somewhere?
If he had a guilty on anyone it would uhhhh be titus?

[Benmage]

Is everyone else finding intermittent site downtime? I tried accessing last night several times, EST.

Anywhose... I'll catchup at work or something.

[Nautilius]

Agar was probably killed yesterday night because scumteam thought AGar had a guilty on one of them, but I used powers last night that were more likely to stop the kill than his block.

By last night, you mean N5 right?

Nacho I agree with you on Alfred. But why elle? Do you really see her - coming in to the thread the day after SpyreX was lynched and declaring that we need to kill her? Plus the vanillazing Tierce when Tierce probably got hit N1 is a good point in her favor too.

I forgot the circumstances of Tierce knowing she got hit N1. Is that confirmed to be the case?

[Nautilius]

Agar claimed roleblocker, why would the scumteam think he was a cop? O_o Did he say he was one somewhere?
If he had a guilty on anyone it would uhhhh be titus?

I didn't call him a cop.

[Tierce]

Agar was probably killed yesterday night because scumteam thought AGar had a guilty on one of them, but I used powers last night that were more likely to stop the kill than his block.

By last night, you mean N5 right?

Nacho I agree with you on Alfred. But why elle? Do you really see her - coming in to the thread the day after SpyreX was lynched and declaring that we need to kill her? Plus the vanillazing Tierce when Tierce probably got hit N1 is a good point in her favor too.

I forgot the circumstances of Tierce knowing she got hit N1. Is that confirmed to be the case?

Nope, I don't know whether my shot was ever used up.

[Titus]

I don't think Agar has ever been called a cop.

Naut, the use of your duel power makes sense as scum. Goat was a universal scumread. Anyone who townread Goat had a read weaker than yours. Assuming arguendo that you're scum, that's the closest thing to a guaranteed mislynch and it draws head away from AB and Alchemst.

I also find it funny no one is discussing Alchemist that much.


As for your comment SafetyDance, fuck you. I have been the earliest pusher of AB although I didn't have a case like Desperado's.

[Benmage]

But why elle? Do you really see her - coming in to the thread the day after SpyreX was lynched and declaring that we need to kill her?

That's quite taken out of context... you don't mention it had to do with her being a permanent blocker on Tierce...

[Benmage]

I also find it funny no one is discussing Alchemist that much.

Whats there to discuss active lurker is still lurking. Community still sucks.

[Benmage]

unvote vote Alfred Borden

This feels so right for today.

[Benmage]

I've been letting a little crazy in lately that has me believing the scum team might gain something from

Hammering

... SpyreX being the original lamb, and Alfred ninja-ing one with that GnR speedlynch.

[Tierce]

But why elle? Do you really see her - coming in to the thread the day after SpyreX was lynched and declaring that we need to kill her?

That's quite taken out of context... you don't mention it had to do with her being a permanent blocker on Tierce...

She did it on the same line. Do you really think a scum vanillizer would offer to sacrifice herself when the consequence is, she thinks, that I'll be BP for at least two more Nights,

and

do so the Day after scum got lynched, plus doing so in line with what she had been posting before SpyreX's lynch?

Why wouldn't she have seamlessly reversed tracks on her questioning her Townreads about me post SpyreX lynch? Why do we even know she was working her way up to offering herself up for lynch? It's because she's genuine about it. She's Town (and even if it's multiscum she's Town, she wouldn't ever do that for someone who might not even be Town!), there's no way around it.

[Tierce]

I've been letting a little crazy in lately that has me believing the scum team might gain something from

Hammering

... SpyreX being the original lamb, and Alfred ninja-ing one with that GnR speedlynch.

I kind of want to think they are building the ladder/chain of Chaos. Sure, SpyreX's claim fit in with his role, but this is so tempting a concept--six scum needing certain events to gain abilities.

[Tierce]

elleheathen (2) - Nautilius, Benmage

What the hay. Get off.

[Tierce]

Right, Benmage already did.

[Eddard Stark]

Day 7, Vc 3

Alfred Borden (4) -

Garruk Relentless, Titus, Messiah Complex, Benmage

elleheathen (1) -

Nautilius

Titus (1) -

kanyeknowsbest

The Alchemist (3) -

ooba, Cephrir, SafetyDance

Not voting (6)

: Alfred Borden, elleheathen, Shadoweh, The Alchemist, Tammy, Tierce

With 15 alive it takes 8 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 5th of December 20:15 EST
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-12-08 19:30:00)
  
• Natirasha is V/la

[ooba]

Is everyone else finding intermittent site downtime? I tried accessing last night several times, EST.

Anywhose... I'll catchup at work or something.

It worked well for me.

I also find it funny no one is discussing Alchemist that much.

Whats there to discuss active lurker is still lurking. Community still sucks.

Nevermore! Let's take him out!

I've been letting a little crazy in lately that has me believing the scum team might gain something from

Hammering

... SpyreX being the original lamb, and Alfred ninja-ing one with that GnR speedlynch.

I kind of want to think they are building the ladder/chain of Chaos. Sure, SpyreX's claim fit in with his role, but this is so tempting a concept--six scum needing certain events to gain abilities.

The ladder of Chaos sounds so elegant\nice! I don't think it's there this game but it's fun speculating what you would give them as a mod to increase 'Chaos' in the game - I like "make sure every player in the game is voted on one single day."

[Tierce]

I've been letting a little crazy in lately that has me believing the scum team might gain something from

Hammering

... SpyreX being the original lamb, and Alfred ninja-ing one with that GnR speedlynch.

I kind of want to think they are building the ladder/chain of Chaos. Sure, SpyreX's claim fit in with his role, but this is so tempting a concept--six scum needing certain events to gain abilities.

The ladder of Chaos sounds so elegant\nice! I don't think it's there this game but it's fun speculating what you would give them as a mod to increase 'Chaos' in the game - I like "make sure every player in the game is voted on one single day."

Let's not get down that rabbit hole, okay?

[Cephrir]

I don't think Agar has ever been called a cop.

Naut, the use of your duel power makes sense as scum. Goat was a universal scumread. Anyone who townread Goat had a read weaker than yours. Assuming arguendo that you're scum, that's the closest thing to a guaranteed mislynch and it draws head away from AB and Alchemst.

I also find it funny no one is discussing Alchemist that much.


As for your comment SafetyDance, fuck you. I have been the earliest pusher of AB although I didn't have a case like Desperado's.

If you want to argue it was a waste of the power, it was a waste of the power. It's not like Goat wasn't getting lynched soon, and if he needed votes for it to trigger, might as well prove the ability.

But why elle? Do you really see her - coming in to the thread the day after SpyreX was lynched and declaring that we need to kill her?

That's quite taken out of context... you don't mention it had to do with her being a permanent blocker on Tierce...

She did it on the same line. Do you really think a scum vanillizer would offer to sacrifice herself when the consequence is, she thinks, that I'll be BP for at least two more Nights,

and

do so the Day after scum got lynched, plus doing so in line with what she had been posting before SpyreX's lynch?

Why wouldn't she have seamlessly reversed tracks on her questioning her Townreads about me post SpyreX lynch? Why do we even know she was working her way up to offering herself up for lynch? It's because she's genuine about it. She's Town (and even if it's multiscum she's Town, she wouldn't ever do that for someone who might not even be Town!), there's no way around it.

Saying "we need to lynch me because I am negative utility" never actually works.