A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

Titus · Post Post #4725 (ISO) » Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:55 pm

First of all, the "Keep up the good work!" is at best filler language or is an AtE. Now answer the question, what was inconsistent about the two posts?

Context in those two. I was an early pusher TODAY. Jeezus.

Titus · Post Post #4726 (ISO) » Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:56 pm

The second line is a post edit. Damn it.

Eddard Stark · Post Post #4727 (ISO) » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:07 pm

Day 7, Vc 4

Alfred Borden (4) -

Garruk Relentless, Titus, Messiah Complex, Benmage

elleheathen (1) -

Nautilius

Titus (1) -

kanyeknowsbest

The Alchemist (3) -

ooba, Cephrir, SafetyDance

Not voting (6)

: Alfred Borden, elleheathen, Shadoweh, The Alchemist, Tammy, Tierce

With 15 alive it takes 8 votes to lynch

Deadline Date: 5th of December 20:15 EST
Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-12-08 19:30:00)
Natirasha is V/la. Alchemist and Titus are V/la (or will be!)

Tammy · Post Post #4728 (ISO) » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:17 pm

Nacho - Why didn't you do that gladiate thing before you did?

SafetyDance · Post Post #4729 (ISO) » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:18 pm

You're using ATE wrong. Go look it up.

You're a walking contradiction, I just proved it, twice.

Going back to search #4687 for the word "today". I may be gone a long time...

Titus · Post Post #4730 (ISO) » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:23 pm

Yeah, I don't include the context in every post. I was an early pusher today, you know the day that actually matters.

I'm familiar with appeals to emotion. I do them a fair amount because I just speak in an emotional manner.

Tammy · Post Post #4731 (ISO) » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:24 pm

In post 4637, kanyeknowsbest wrote:i do not believe that the titus who has proven herself to take fucking notes on the game and be careful about paying attention to details doesnt know my stance on alfred. the only way i can rationalize this is for the former to be a scumact. throw on top of that our now flipped roleblock on her on a night w.o. a kill and no other explanation for the lack of kill and my votes goin nowhere but titus today.

Although reread. Titus yesterday also claimed that Tierce was probably on all the major lynch wagons (she wasn't) and wouldn't be surprised to find that people were sheeping her (they haven't). She made like 30 pages of notes, but isn't really current on the game or knowledgeable about the game state.

The roleblock could be a thing but with several nights of missing kills it's definitely not certain because we really only have that one night to be certain of.

I don't have her as strong town based mostly on some of the weird reads/theories she's had, but actually I'd love to get Alchemist's take on Titus, but I'm leaning slightly town here.

Titus · Post Post #4732 (ISO) » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:30 pm

Tammy, I am aware that I'm missing some things as I just haven't had the time to get it together. I believe I'm somewhat current but if there is something I'm missing at all, please feel free to inform me of that.

Tammy · Post Post #4733 (ISO) » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:31 pm

Shadoweh - I agree with you that dueling the Goat wasn't the most inspired idea but neither was vigging Katsuki >_>

Titus · Post Post #4734 (ISO) » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:31 pm

Ugh that came out messy.

I feel like I'm missing some things but cannot put my finger on it. Somethings just feel like private information though.

Tammy · Post Post #4735 (ISO) » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:39 pm

In post 4651, Messiah Complex wrote:
In post 4580, Nautilius wrote:-Empire's scumgame is very inconsistent; he can make one big post, but his consistency is absolute shit. During Day 1, Empire was around, he was posting, he was doing a lot of good things. Compare his D1 here with his D1 in that Mini Normal and you'll see a hell of a difference.
-Empire hates scum. Llamarble does not hate scum, and is competent at it. If that hydra drew scum, Llamarble would be the driving head and Empire would be in the background (see any morph the cat scum completed game for an example of that), but Empire was the primary driver the entire game and he's uncomfortable as fuck.
-See Empire's confidence in the mini normal scumgame, where his biggest meta threat was ffery versus his confidence here, where his biggest meta threats were Tammy/Tierce as part of the TET masonry. There's no way in hell he goes from awkward as hell as scum in a Mini Normal to god-tier town D1 here when there are more things he has to worry about here.
I don't think any of these points are valid at this juncture.

1. It's D7. Has Borden looked town at ALL since D1? Neither you nor Tammy can point to anything Empire's done in the last 6 days to justify the townread he gave you D1. How is that anything but inconsistency?
2. OK. a) They are obviously aware of this and are certainly capable of playing on your expectations, and b) Llamarble is also a fucking awesome town player and so is Empire, and as a team they have accomplished exactly jack and shit despite being a universal townread since D1. How is that not ringing alarm bells for you???
3. There's no way in hell? Get real, Nacho. It's called effort. He gave it D1 and he towned it up. In Wingate his town energy never let up despite that game descending into total madness--here he's in an uber powerful D1 townblock with all of his best friends and he tapers off into total nothingness.

Vote: Alfred Borden

- Des

1.) I probably could if I had too. The fact of the matter is that Empire really has been busy lately and did end up replacing out of all of his games because of it.

2.) Marble has been mostly absent and does really need to step in.

3.) You need to reread Wingate, his town energy did start to dip out as the game went on. There's a reason I've gone paranoid on Empire in the past few games we've played together and that's because he's started to be less motivated playing as days go on lately. (but, I'd love to see his reaction to his slot's hammer two days in a row. That is something that I can't ever ever accept Empire would be okay with, don't know about Marble.)

That being said I'm very paranoid about the slot. But, I still lean town on there more than not.

Tammy · Post Post #4736 (ISO) » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:41 pm

In post 4656, The Alchemist wrote:
In post 4619, kanyeknowsbest wrote:can i ask why alchemist hasnt killed ne1 yet
Coin's long gone, man.

Tierce, Tammy, watchu thinkin rite now?

I'm thinking I'm super happy for a night kill so I don't have continue my worry about random 3rd parties without nightkills just laughing it off around. Beyond that, I have some rereading to do this weekend.

Tammy · Post Post #4737 (ISO) » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:48 pm

In post 4656, The Alchemist wrote:
In post 4619, kanyeknowsbest wrote:can i ask why alchemist hasnt killed ne1 yet
Coin's long gone, man.

Tierce, Tammy, watchu thinkin rite now?

Oh wait, what's your read on Titus, Kanye and Nacho?

Tierce · Post Post #4738 (ISO) » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:52 pm

Tammy--how do you know Borden targeted you N1?

Tammy · Post Post #4739 (ISO) » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:53 pm

In post 4738, Tierce wrote:Tammy--how do you know Borden targeted you N1?

He said he did.

Tammy · Post Post #4740 (ISO) » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:55 pm

He said he was going to sing me a song night one, but he got rejected.

Tammy · Post Post #4741 (ISO) » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:59 pm

In post 4659, Messiah Complex wrote:
In post 4654, ooba wrote:The only thing I didnt like about their play was not voting SpyreX.
How about them completely avoiding Quadz too? After being present on virtually every major town wagon D1 and D2 (ooba, Thor, SafetyDance, Amrun), Borden was nowhere to be found on either of the two flipped scum.

I really see your point here, but Empire loves bussing. Like I would expect if there was a weak member of his team, he would have bussed him like crazy. That wouldn't apply to Spyrex, but it would apply to quadz. If he's on a team of strong players, and he's the weak one, he'd want to be the bussed one. So, I'd be really surprised if he was Chaos.

Titus · Post Post #4742 (ISO) » Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:00 pm

Tammy, can you give me links to where he really likes to bus?

can you give me links to where Empire really likes to hammer?

Tammy · Post Post #4743 (ISO) » Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:03 pm

In post 4659, Messiah Complex wrote:
D4 is more of the same.
Borden didn't vote the entire fucking day four. Not once. How is that even possible?!?!

- Des

Oh, I forgot to address this. Why do you bring this up and also bring up Wingate? Empire has a habit of going full days without voting; he's very similar to me in that regard. I'm pretty sure if you go back to Wingate you'll see him not voting for entire days.

Tierce · Post Post #4744 (ISO) » Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:07 pm

In post 4739, Tammy wrote:
In post 4738, Tierce wrote:Tammy--how do you know Borden targeted you N1?
He said he did.

In post 4740, Tammy wrote:He said he was going to sing me a song night one, but he got rejected.

Don't just assume that's what they did, then--you don't have proof.

Tammy · Post Post #4745 (ISO) » Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:08 pm

In post 4742, Titus wrote:Tammy, can you give me links to where he really likes to bus?

can you give me links to where Empire really likes to hammer?

I didn't say he likes to hammer. I'd expect Empire to be pissed about those quick hammers and would have loved to see his reaction to his slot doing it.

As far as liking to bus, he's only drawn scum here a couple times. I'll post the links to his scum games here when I'm done catching up and doing things. His most recent game has him not bussing, but he was with a strong partner in a 13 player game in which he was in a 2-man scum team not knowing if the other scum was a traitor or an SK so he tried to keep his partner protected expecting himself to go down. I know that he likes to bus because empire and I are friends, and we've hydra'd and talk on a near daily basis.

Tammy · Post Post #4746 (ISO) » Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:11 pm

In post 4744, Tierce wrote:
In post 4739, Tammy wrote:
In post 4738, Tierce wrote:Tammy--how do you know Borden targeted you N1?
He said he did.
In post 4740, Tammy wrote:He said he was going to sing me a song night one, but he got rejected.
Don't just assume that's what they did, then--you don't have proof.

I think it would be a very very big coincidence that they tried to target me and could and also be lying about it.

Tierce · Post Post #4747 (ISO) » Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:13 pm

In post 4746, Tammy wrote:
In post 4744, Tierce wrote:
In post 4739, Tammy wrote:
In post 4738, Tierce wrote:Tammy--how do you know Borden targeted you N1?
He said he did.
In post 4740, Tammy wrote:He said he was going to sing me a song night one, but he got rejected.
Don't just assume that's what they did, then--you don't have proof.
I think it would be a very very big coincidence that they tried to target me and could and also be lying about it.

Point being that they didn't necessarily target you, etc.

Messiah Complex · Post Post #4748 (ISO) » Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:16 pm

In post 4741, Tammy wrote:
In post 4659, Messiah Complex wrote:
In post 4654, ooba wrote:The only thing I didnt like about their play was not voting SpyreX.
How about them completely avoiding Quadz too? After being present on virtually every major town wagon D1 and D2 (ooba, Thor, SafetyDance, Amrun), Borden was nowhere to be found on either of the two flipped scum.

I really see your point here, but Empire loves bussing. Like I would expect if there was a weak member of his team, he would have bussed him like crazy. That wouldn't apply to Spyrex, but it would apply to quadz. If he's on a team of strong players, and he's the weak one, he'd want to be the bussed one. So, I'd be really surprised if he was Chaos.

The scum have only had two successful kills in six nights. Are you really suggesting that Empire is town because he didn't bus Quadz when the scum had just lost what everyone agrees is a really strong member and they were 1/3 on night kills? Just because he loves to do it so much?

And again, this analysis ignores marble's potential impact on Empire's game and it's seriously starting to bother me. What does he like to do as scum?

In post 4743, Tammy wrote:
In post 4659, Messiah Complex wrote:
D4 is more of the same.
Borden didn't vote the entire fucking day four. Not once. How is that even possible?!?!

- Des
Oh, I forgot to address this. Why do you bring this up and also bring up Wingate? Empire has a habit of going full days without voting; he's very similar to me in that regard. I'm pretty sure if you go back to Wingate you'll see him not voting for entire days.

The hydra is comprised of more than just Empire and there was way too much going on on day four to justify not voting even once. I don't think the context there and in Wingate are really comparable.

- Des

Tammy · Post Post #4749 (ISO) » Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:22 pm

In post 4747, Tierce wrote:
In post 4746, Tammy wrote:
In post 4744, Tierce wrote:
In post 4739, Tammy wrote:
In post 4738, Tierce wrote:Tammy--how do you know Borden targeted you N1?
He said he did.
In post 4740, Tammy wrote:He said he was going to sing me a song night one, but he got rejected.
Don't just assume that's what they did, then--you don't have proof.
I think it would be a very very big coincidence that they tried to target me and could and also be lying about it.
Point being that they didn't necessarily target you, etc.

I don't have *proof*, just a really good reason to think they're telling the truth.